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logout kills X hohe72@arcor.de - 2019-01-30 18:40 +0100
Re: logout kills X deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 19:30 +0100
Re: logout kills X Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-01-30 19:40 +0100
Re: logout kills X Holger Herrlich <hohe72@arcor.de> - 2019-01-31 15:10 +0100
Re: logout kills X Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2019-01-30 19:50 +0100
Re: logout kills X Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-01-30 20:20 +0100
Re: logout kills X Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2019-01-30 21:00 +0100
Re: logout kills X Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-01-30 21:30 +0100
Re: logout kills X Holger Herrlich <hohe72@arcor.de> - 2019-01-31 15:30 +0100
Re: logout kills X Holger Herrlich <hohe72@arcor.de> - 2019-01-31 15:30 +0100
Re: logout kills X Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2019-01-31 19:00 +0100
Re: logout kills X Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-01-31 19:40 +0100
Re: logout kills X David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-01-31 20:00 +0100
Re: logout kills X Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-01-31 21:00 +0100
Re: logout kills X Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-01-31 21:10 +0100
Re: logout kills X David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-02-01 05:30 +0100
Re: logout kills X Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2019-02-02 22:50 +0100
Re: logout kills X Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-02-01 12:00 +0100
Re: logout kills X Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-02-01 23:40 +0100
Re: logout kills X <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-02-02 11:00 +0100
[solved] Re: logout kills X Holger Herrlich <hohe72@arcor.de> - 2019-02-01 17:20 +0100
[cause] Re: logout kills X Holger Herrlich <hohe72@arcor.de> - 2019-02-04 11:40 +0100
Re: logout kills X David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-01-30 21:00 +0100
Re: logout kills X Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-01-30 21:40 +0100
Re: logout kills X Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-01-31 00:40 +0100
Re: logout kills X Holger Herrlich <hohe72@arcor.de> - 2019-01-31 15:20 +0100
Re: Let's play "Where is X?" (was: logout kills X) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2019-01-30 23:10 +0100
Re: Let's play "Where is X?" (was: logout kills X) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-01-30 23:40 +0100
Re: Let's play "Where is X?" Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2019-01-31 00:00 +0100
Re: Let's play "Where is X?" Brian Potkin <brian@copernicus.org.uk> - 2019-01-31 00:10 +0100
Re: Let's play "Where is X?" Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2019-01-31 03:00 +0100
Let's play "Where is X?" (was: logout kills X) Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2019-02-02 23:30 +0100
Re: Let's play "Where is X?" (was: logout kills X) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2019-02-03 00:40 +0100
Re: Let's play "Where is X?" (was: logout kills X) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-02-03 10:10 +0100
Re: Let's play "Where is X?" (was: logout kills X) Default User <hunguponcontent@gmail.com> - 2019-02-03 17:10 +0100
Re: Let's play "Where is X?" (was: logout kills X) Rusi Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2019-02-04 04:50 +0100
Re: Let's play "Where is X?" (was: logout kills X) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-02-04 15:30 +0100
Re: logout kills X Holger Herrlich <hohe72@arcor.de> - 2019-01-31 15:50 +0100
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| From | hohe72@arcor.de |
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| Date | 2019-01-30 18:40 +0100 |
| Subject | logout kills X |
| Message-ID | <xm209-28o-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
I logged in (to tty1) started X (startx) switched to tty2 logged in (using the same name) logged out -> X on tty1 crashes some info: .local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log: [ 41948.035] (EE) modeset(0): failed to set mode: Permission denied [ 41948.035] (EE) Fatal server error: [ 41948.035] (EE) EnterVT failed for screen 0 [ 41948.035] (EE) [ 41948.035] (EE) Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support at http://wiki.x.org for help. [ 41948.035] (EE) Please also check the log file at "$HOME/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log" for additional information. [ 41948.035] (EE) what modeset(0) usually goes: [ 41937.630] (II) modeset(0): EDID vendor "LEN", prod id 16401 [ 41937.630] (II) modeset(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines: [ 41937.630] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "1280x800"x0.0 68.94 1280 1296 1344 1408 800 801 804 816 -hsync -vsync (49.0 kHz eP) [ 41937.630] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "1280x800"x0.0 60.96 1280 1328 1360 1478 800 803 809 825 -hsync -vsync (41.2 kHz e) uname -a Linux bivalve 4.19.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.12-1~bpo9+1 (2018-12-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux terminal output: X.Org X Server 1.19.2 Release Date: 2017-03-02 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: Linux 4.9.0-8-amd64 x86_64 Debian Current Operating System: Linux bivalve 4.19.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.12-1~bpo9+1 (2018-12-30) x86_64 Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 root=UUID=XXXXXXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXXXXXXXXX ro Build Date: 03 November 2018 03:09:11AM xorg-server 2:1.19.2-1+deb9u5 (https://www.debian.org/support) Current version of pixman: 0.34.0 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/home/addams/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log", Time: Wed Jan 30 15:24:19 2019 (==) Using config directory: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d" (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d" xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted) (II) AIGLX: Suspending AIGLX clients for VT switch [dix] couldn't enable device 7 [dix] couldn't enable device 8 [dix] couldn't enable device 9 [dix] couldn't enable device 10 [dix] couldn't enable device 12 [dix] couldn't enable device 13 [dix] couldn't enable device 14 [dix] couldn't enable device 15 [dix] couldn't enable device 17 [dix] couldn't enable device 6 [dix] couldn't enable device 11 [dix] couldn't enable device 16 (II) AIGLX: Suspending AIGLX clients for VT switch (EE) Fatal server error: (EE) EnterVT failed for screen 0 (EE) (EE) Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support at http://wiki.x.org for help. (EE) Please also check the log file at "/home/addams/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log" for additional information. (EE) (II) AIGLX: Suspending AIGLX clients for VT switch (EE) Server terminated with error (1). Closing log file. xinit: connection to X server lost waiting for X server to shut down ---- loading an older kernel, X doesn't crash, instead all input devices have vanished from X. uname -a: Linux bivalve 4.17.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.17.17-1~bpo9+1 (2018-08-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux Then I doesn't get control anymore. ---- I finally want to know how to separate the sessions. /etc/systemd/logind.conf: KillUserProcesses=no allready done.
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| From | deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-01-30 19:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xm2My-2Ea-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #204827 |
hohe72@arcor.de wrote: > I finally want to know how to separate the sessions. why don't you use a window manager. Most of them offer the option to log in as different user, which will open a new session on the next console. I have not heard of same user logged in in two different X sessions on same PC - they most likely step on each others feet. Very interesting, what exactly you want to achieve (goal).
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2019-01-30 19:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xm2We-2Hk-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #204828 |
On Wed 30 Jan 2019 at 19:23:43 +0100, deloptes wrote: > hohe72@arcor.de wrote: > > > I finally want to know how to separate the sessions. > > why don't you use a window manager. Most of them offer the option to log in > as different user, which will open a new session on the next console. > I have not heard of same user logged in in two different X sessions on same > PC - they most likely step on each others feet. > > Very interesting, what exactly you want to achieve (goal). This sounds very much like #791342. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=791342 Whether bash is the culprit is debatable, but it has lingered there without being reassigned. See #806256 also. -- Brian.
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| From | Holger Herrlich <hohe72@arcor.de> |
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| Date | 2019-01-31 15:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xmlcu-5Ef-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #204828 |
On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 19:23:43 +0100 deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote: > hohe72@arcor.de wrote: > > > I finally want to know how to separate the sessions. > > why don't you use a window manager. Most of them offer the option to > log in as different user, which will open a new session on the next > console. My window manager hasn't session features integrated. I have no use for it anyway. > I have not heard of same user logged in in two different X > sessions on same PC - they most likely step on each others feet. > > Very interesting, what exactly you want to achieve (goal). I try to get ride of xmodmap independently of the running session.
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| From | Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2019-01-30 19:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xm35U-2KV-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #204827 |
hohe72@arcor.de composed on 2019-01-30 18:38 (UTC+0100): > I logged in (to tty1) > started X (startx) > switched to tty2 > logged in (using the same name) > logged out > -> X on tty1 crashes Same problem if you don't use tty1, instead logging in first on tty2, and after on tty3? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2019-01-30 20:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xm3yV-3a8-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #204831 |
On Wed 30 Jan 2019 at 13:48:17 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > hohe72@arcor.de composed on 2019-01-30 18:38 (UTC+0100): > > > I logged in (to tty1) > > started X (startx) > > switched to tty2 > > logged in (using the same name) > > logged out > > > -> X on tty1 crashes > > Same problem if you don't use tty1, instead logging in first on tty2, and after on tty3? Did *you* try this? In fact, did *you* even try the procedure that hohe72 describes so well? -- Brian.
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| From | Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2019-01-30 21:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xm4bD-3ns-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #204835 |
Brian composed on 2019-01-30 19:12 (UTC): > On Wed 30 Jan 2019 at 13:48:17 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: >> hohe72@arcor.de composed on 2019-01-30 18:38 (UTC+0100): >> > I logged in (to tty1) >> > started X (startx) >> > switched to tty2 >> > logged in (using the same name) >> > logged out >> > -> X on tty1 crashes >> Same problem if you don't use tty1, instead logging in first on tty2, and after on tty3? > Did *you* try this? In fact, did *you* even try the procedure that > hohe72 describes so well? Not so well. He left out the part about what he's actually using, what else he has installed from backports, or what gfx, so I don't know that I could match his configuration. I don't have any Stretch installations using backport kernels, so no, even though I was initially inclined to, I didn't try, which is why I asked instead of saying WFM or confirming. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2019-01-30 21:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xm4EF-3Nf-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #204837 |
On Wed 30 Jan 2019 at 14:57:59 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > Brian composed on 2019-01-30 19:12 (UTC): > > > On Wed 30 Jan 2019 at 13:48:17 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > > >> hohe72@arcor.de composed on 2019-01-30 18:38 (UTC+0100): > > >> > I logged in (to tty1) > >> > started X (startx) > >> > switched to tty2 > >> > logged in (using the same name) > >> > logged out > > >> > -> X on tty1 crashes > > >> Same problem if you don't use tty1, instead logging in first on tty2, and after on tty3? > > > Did *you* try this? In fact, did *you* even try the procedure that > > hohe72 describes so well? > > Not so well. He left out the part about what he's actually using, what else he has installed from > backports, or what gfx, so I don't know that I could match his configuration. I don't have any > Stretch installations using backport kernels, so no, even though I was initially inclined to, I > didn't try, which is why I asked instead of saying WFM or confirming. Fair enough; you have a reasonable number of points to be answered. We should await hohe72's response. And, yes; you did query. My bad not to take that into account. -- Brian.
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| From | Holger Herrlich <hohe72@arcor.de> |
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| Date | 2019-01-31 15:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xmlvP-5KN-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #204839 |
On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 20:25:59 +0000 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote: > On Wed 30 Jan 2019 at 14:57:59 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > > > Brian composed on 2019-01-30 19:12 (UTC): > > > > > On Wed 30 Jan 2019 at 13:48:17 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > > > > >> hohe72@arcor.de composed on 2019-01-30 18:38 (UTC+0100): > > > > >> > I logged in (to tty1) > > >> > started X (startx) > > >> > switched to tty2 > > >> > logged in (using the same name) > > >> > logged out > > > > >> > -> X on tty1 crashes > > > > >> Same problem if you don't use tty1, instead logging in first on > > >> tty2, and after on tty3? > > > > > Did *you* try this? In fact, did *you* even try the procedure that > > > hohe72 describes so well? > > > > Not so well. He left out the part about what he's actually using, > > what else he has installed from backports, or what gfx, so I don't > > know that I could match his configuration. I don't have any Stretch > > installations using backport kernels, so no, even though I was > > initially inclined to, I didn't try, which is why I asked instead > > of saying WFM or confirming. > > Fair enough; you have a reasonable number of points to be answered. We > should await hohe72's response. I'm not on a steady line. > And, yes; you did query. My bad not to take that into account. >
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| From | Holger Herrlich <hohe72@arcor.de> |
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| Date | 2019-01-31 15:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xmlvP-5KN-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #204837 |
On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 14:57:59 -0500 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> wrote: > Brian composed on 2019-01-30 19:12 (UTC): > > > On Wed 30 Jan 2019 at 13:48:17 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > > >> hohe72@arcor.de composed on 2019-01-30 18:38 (UTC+0100): > > >> > I logged in (to tty1) > >> > started X (startx) > >> > switched to tty2 > >> > logged in (using the same name) > >> > logged out > > >> > -> X on tty1 crashes > > >> Same problem if you don't use tty1, instead logging in first on > >> tty2, and after on tty3? > > > Did *you* try this? In fact, did *you* even try the procedure that > > hohe72 describes so well? > > Not so well. He left out the part about what he's actually using, aewm (I may switch to jwm. However no need yet.) > what else he has installed from backports, aptitude search '~i\.bpo\.' i linux-headers-4.12.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 - Header files for Linux 4.12.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 i A linux-headers-4.12.0-0.bpo.2-common - Common header files for Linux 4.12.0-0.bpo.2 i linux-headers-4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 - Header files for Linux 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 i A linux-headers-4.13.0-0.bpo.1-common - Common header files for Linux 4.13.0-0.bpo.1 i linux-headers-4.14.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 - Header files for Linux 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 i A linux-headers-4.14.0-0.bpo.3-common - Common header files for Linux 4.14.0-0.bpo.3 i linux-headers-4.15.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 - Header files for Linux 4.15.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 i A linux-headers-4.15.0-0.bpo.2-common - Common header files for Linux 4.15.0-0.bpo.2 i linux-headers-4.16.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 - Header files for Linux 4.16.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 i A linux-headers-4.16.0-0.bpo.1-common - Common header files for Linux 4.16.0-0.bpo.1 i linux-headers-4.16.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 - Header files for Linux 4.16.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 i A linux-headers-4.16.0-0.bpo.2-common - Common header files for Linux 4.16.0-0.bpo.2 i linux-headers-4.17.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 - Header files for Linux 4.17.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 i A linux-headers-4.17.0-0.bpo.1-common - Common header files for Linux 4.17.0-0.bpo.1 i linux-headers-4.17.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 - Header files for Linux 4.17.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 i A linux-headers-4.17.0-0.bpo.3-common - Common header files for Linux 4.17.0-0.bpo.3 i A linux-image-4.12.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 - Linux 4.12 for 64-bit PCs i A linux-image-4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 - Linux 4.13 for 64-bit PCs i A linux-image-4.14.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 - Linux 4.14 for 64-bit PCs i A linux-image-4.14.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 - Linux 4.14 for 64-bit PCs i A linux-image-4.15.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 - Linux 4.15 for 64-bit PCs i A linux-image-4.16.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 - Linux 4.16 for 64-bit PCs i A linux-image-4.16.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 - Linux 4.16 for 64-bit PCs i A linux-image-4.17.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 - Linux 4.17 for 64-bit PCs i A linux-image-4.17.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 - Linux 4.17 for 64-bit PCs i A linux-image-4.18.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 - Linux 4.18 for 64-bit PCs i A linux-image-4.18.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 - Linux 4.18 for 64-bit PCs i A linux-image-4.19.0-0.bpo.1-amd64-unsigned - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs > or what gfx, ?? > so I don't know that I could match his configuration. I don't have > any Stretch I'm using debian 9.<current>--always having problems with toy story names. > installations using backport kernels, so no, even though > I was initially inclined to, I didn't try, which is why I asked > instead of saying WFM or confirming.
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| From | Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2019-01-31 19:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xmoN3-7Dm-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #204863 |
Holger Herrlich composed on 2019-01-31 15:22 (UTC+0100):
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 14:57:59 -0500 Felix Miata wrote:
>> or what gfx,
> ??
Common shorthand for *graphics* hardware. AMD/ATI? Intel? NVidia? Matrox? Other?
Model? e.g.
# inxi -GxxSM
System: Host: big31 Kernel: 4.9.0-8-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 6.3.0 Desktop: Trinity R14.0.6
tk: Qt 3.5.0 wm: Twin dm: startx Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch)
Machine: Type: Desktop Mobo: BIOSTAR model: G31-M7 TE serial: N/A BIOS: American Megatrends v: 080014 date: 02/01/2010
Graphics: Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Oland [Radeon HD 8570 / R7 240/340 OEM] vendor: Dell
driver: radeon v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 1002:6611
Display: server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver: modesetting alternate: ati,fbdev,vesa resolution: 1920x1200~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: Gallium 0.4 on AMD OLAND (DRM 2.49.0 / 4.9.0-8-amd64 LLVM 3.9.1) v: 4.3 Mesa 13.0.6
compat-v: 3.0 direct render: Yes
The keys in there are the PCI ID, the server driver in use, and the available alternative
server drivers, but much else is useful for troubleshooting.
Holger Herrlich composed on 2019-01-31 15:45 (UTC+0100):
> systemd is very aware the state:
> loginctl list-sessions
> SESSION UID USER SEAT TTY
> 1 1000 addams seat0 /dev/tty1
> 25 1000 addams seat0 /dev/tty2
> 2 sessions listed.
tty1 became special with the introduction of systemd. Do not use tty1 for X. Instead
use tty2 and/or tty3 and/or tty4 and/or tty5 and/or tty6. Buster may have this fixed,
as upstream has apparently fixed it 3 months ago.
--
Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science.
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2019-01-31 19:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xmppL-85W-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #204867 |
On Thu 31 Jan 2019 at 12:56:59 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > tty1 became special with the introduction of systemd. Do not use tty1 > for X. Instead use tty2 and/or tty3 and/or tty4 and/or tty5 and/or > tty6. Buster may have this fixed, as upstream has apparently fixed it > 3 months ago. The behaviour on unstable is unchanged from stretch. To use tty1 for X, move ~/.bash_logout out of the way or alter it. That doesn't mean the origin of the bug doesn't involve systemd or X, but it removes the problem -- Brian
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2019-01-31 20:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xmpJ7-8cn-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #204868 |
On Thu 31 Jan 2019 at 18:36:58 (+0000), Brian wrote: > On Thu 31 Jan 2019 at 12:56:59 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > > > tty1 became special with the introduction of systemd. Do not use tty1 > > for X. Instead use tty2 and/or tty3 and/or tty4 and/or tty5 and/or > > tty6. Buster may have this fixed, as upstream has apparently fixed it > > 3 months ago. > > The behaviour on unstable is unchanged from stretch. To use tty1 for X, > move ~/.bash_logout out of the way or alter it. That doesn't mean the > origin of the bug doesn't involve systemd or X, but it removes the > problem I forgot to check what was actually in my own ~/.bash_logout until you wrote this. For several years (since installing jessie, I think), mine runs clear && reset rather than clear_console. Does that make any difference? Cheers, David.
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2019-01-31 21:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xmqFb-kX-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #204870 |
On Thu 31 Jan 2019 at 12:51:05 -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Thu 31 Jan 2019 at 18:36:58 (+0000), Brian wrote: > > On Thu 31 Jan 2019 at 12:56:59 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > > > > > tty1 became special with the introduction of systemd. Do not use tty1 > > > for X. Instead use tty2 and/or tty3 and/or tty4 and/or tty5 and/or > > > tty6. Buster may have this fixed, as upstream has apparently fixed it > > > 3 months ago. > > > > The behaviour on unstable is unchanged from stretch. To use tty1 for X, > > move ~/.bash_logout out of the way or alter it. That doesn't mean the > > origin of the bug doesn't involve systemd or X, but it removes the > > problem > > I forgot to check what was actually in my own ~/.bash_logout until > you wrote this. For several years (since installing jessie, I think), > mine runs clear && reset rather than clear_console. > Does that make any difference? Thank you for looking at this. I tried 'clear && reset' on unstable and have no complaints. Back to tty2 on after logging in and out and mouse and keyboard normal operation on X in tty1. So - is bash the culprit, or are the interactions between it and other system components more complex than this indicates? -- Brian.
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| From | Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> |
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| Date | 2019-01-31 21:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xmqOR-DS-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #204872 |
> > mine runs clear && reset rather than clear_console. > > Does that make any difference? > > Thank you for looking at this. I tried 'clear && reset' on unstable and > have no complaints. Back to tty2 on after logging in and out and mouse > and keyboard normal operation on X in tty1. > > So - is bash the culprit, or are the interactions between it and other > system components more complex than this indicates? The man page for clear_console(1) is a little unclear to me, and a little bit disturbing. I cannot figure out what "changes the foreground virtual terminal to another terminal" is supposed to mean, but between that and the reference to chvt(1) under SEE ALSO, it seems like someone might want to investigate that more closely.
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2019-02-01 05:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xmyCK-5o0-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #204873 |
On Thu 31 Jan 2019 at 15:01:49 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > mine runs clear && reset rather than clear_console. > > > Does that make any difference? > > > > Thank you for looking at this. I tried 'clear && reset' on unstable and > > have no complaints. Back to tty2 on after logging in and out and mouse > > and keyboard normal operation on X in tty1. > > > > So - is bash the culprit, or are the interactions between it and other > > system components more complex than this indicates? > > The man page for clear_console(1) is a little unclear to me, and a little > bit disturbing. I cannot figure out what "changes the foreground virtual > terminal to another terminal" is supposed to mean, but between that and > the reference to chvt(1) under SEE ALSO, it seems like someone might want > to investigate that more closely. Oops, I think we're celebrating Groundhog Day a day early. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/10/msg00603.html Cheers, David.
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| From | Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> |
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| Date | 2019-02-02 22:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xnbkJ-3KA-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #204873 |
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Greg Wooledge: > The man page for |clear_console|(1) is a little unclear to me, and a > little bit disturbing. I cannot figure out what "changes the > foreground virtual terminal to another terminal" is supposed to mean, > but between that and the reference to |chvt|(1) under SEE ALSO, it > seems like someone might want to investigate that more closely. > I already did, years ago. It is why I years ago wrote and published a replacement |clear_console <https://jdebp.eu/Softwares/nosh/guide/commands/clear_console.xml>| that just uses the control sequences to clear the scrollback buffer, gaining the benefit of working remotely, with GUI terminal emulators, and with PuTTY along the way. It has been in the nosh toolset since version 1.19 in 2015. The original |clear_console| from the Bourne Again shell package is, in contrast, using the side-effects of switching between KVTs as a way of clearing the scrollback buffer. It switches them back and forth very rapidly. I explained this in this very mailing list three years ago <https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/08/msg00958.html>. I also explained it in the 1.19 announcement <https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/08/msg00951.html>, also on this very mailing list, pointing to a whole bunch of Debian bugs. I also explained it on Unix and Linux StackExchange <https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/451150/5132>. It's even explained in the manual. (-:
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2019-02-01 12:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xmEIa-yX-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #204872 |
On 2019-01-31, Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote: > > Thank you for looking at this. I tried 'clear && reset' on unstable and > have no complaints. Back to tty2 on after logging in and out and mouse > and keyboard normal operation on X in tty1. > > So - is bash the culprit, or are the interactions between it and other > system components more complex than this indicates? > There is this buggerino: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=834270 Simon says: according to [1], any the following fixes the bug: * removing the call to /usr/bin/clear_console from ~/.bash_logout (console is cleared anyway nowadays) * replacing the call to /usr/bin/clear_console with /usr/bin/reset in ~/.bash_logout The discussion in [1] shows more information, the bug [2] at xorg is related or a duplicate [1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/linux.debian.user/2G71U8P8c3Q [2] https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/issues/492
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2019-02-01 23:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xmPDA-7hr-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #204887 |
On Fri 01 Feb 2019 at 10:54:32 -0000, Curt wrote: > On 2019-01-31, Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote: > > > > Thank you for looking at this. I tried 'clear && reset' on unstable and > > have no complaints. Back to tty2 on after logging in and out and mouse > > and keyboard normal operation on X in tty1. > > > > So - is bash the culprit, or are the interactions between it and other > > system components more complex than this indicates? > > > > There is this buggerino: > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=834270 > > Simon says: > according to [1], any the following fixes the bug: > * removing the call to /usr/bin/clear_console from ~/.bash_logout > (console is cleared anyway nowadays) > * replacing the call to /usr/bin/clear_console with /usr/bin/reset in > ~/.bash_logout > > The discussion in [1] shows more information, the bug [2] at xorg is > related or a duplicate > > [1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/linux.debian.user/2G71U8P8c3Q > [2] https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/issues/492 Bugs filed against X, bash and systemd. Only the much maligned systemd https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/01/msg01087.html has had an analysis and discussion in -systemd. Silence from the X and (in particular) the bash maintaners for 3+ years. It's hardly the bug of the century, but, for something with an easy solution, the silence is deafening. -- Brian.
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2019-02-02 11:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xn0fD-5qO-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #204914 |
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On Fri, Feb 01, 2019 at 10:33:14PM +0000, Brian wrote:
> Bugs filed against X, bash and systemd. Only the much maligned systemd
> [...] has had an analysis and discussion in -systemd. Silence from the X
> and [...] the bash maintaners for 3+ years [...]
I don't know if you are aware of it, but it is an interesting point you
make there: what's the difference between {X, bash} and systemd?
Right, the former are "mature" projects. That means that they are somehow
in maintenance mode: they are most of the time seriously understaffed
(and /if/ there are exciting things happening they are at the "borders",
as in X). This works well for a while -- whenever nothing exciting
happens (mature software, after all). But the world around the software
changes...
Remember OpenSSL and Heartbleed? I claim the underlying pattern is the
same [1].
That can only mean two things: either there's a way to bring "fresh
blood" into mature projects on a regular basis (although it /may/
seem they don't "need" it). Or we have to see projects dying of age
and rotting (with some collateral damage as some infrastructure
is still based on this rotting substrate).
Cheers
[1] Some people saw the light and founded the Core Infrastructure
Project <https://www.coreinfrastructure.org/>. Seeing through
the illustrious (and very wealthy) list of sponsors I'm still
a (fair) bit sceptical -- most of them seem to follow the
neo-capitalist pattern of squeezing "costs" in all corners which
don't seem to matter /right now/ (hello, Fukushima?).
-- tomás
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