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  GarminExpress possible on Debian with WINE? Roy <renoch63@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 01:40 +0200
    Re: GarminExpress possible on Debian with WINE? floris <jkfloris@dds.nl> - 2018-07-25 12:30 +0200
      Re: GarminExpress possible on Debian with WINE? Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2018-07-25 20:40 +0200
        Re: GarminExpress possible on Debian with WINE? Roy <renoch63@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 22:40 +0200
          Re: GarminExpress possible on Debian with WINE? Pascal Obry <pascal@obry.net> - 2018-07-25 23:10 +0200
            Re: GarminExpress possible on Debian with WINE? Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2018-07-26 01:40 +0200
              Re: GarminExpress possible on Debian with WINE? Roy <renoch63@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 02:40 +0200
          Re: GarminExpress possible on Debian with WINE? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-07-25 23:30 +0200
            Re: GarminExpress possible on Debian with WINE? Roy <renoch63@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 00:50 +0200
          Re: GarminExpress possible on Debian with WINE? Fred <fred@blakemfg.com> - 2018-07-25 23:40 +0200

#197965 — GarminExpress possible on Debian with WINE?

Garmin Express is their proprietary software for updating the

maps on Garmin NUVI (and other models) of GPS units.  It is

available only for Windows and Mac.

I currently have it installed on a Win-7 guest in Vbox on Deian-

Sid.  This works OK but uses a lot of disk space (over 13 Gb).


My question is:  Has anyone been able to successfully install

Garmin Express on Debian using WINE, Play on Linux,

Winetricks or perhaps some other translation layer program?


I also looked at ReactOS for use in Vbox, but I don't believe it is

capable quite yet for newer software like G-Express.


(G-Express needs dotNetframework.  That is where I get stuck when

trying to install it using WINE.)


I switched from Windows to Linux about 4 months ago and this

GPS map updater is the only reason I still keep Windows available.


It may be that I already have the best solution with W-7 in Vbox

but just thought I would ask if anyone has a better solution.

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#197979

Roy schreef op 2018-07-25 01:37:

> 
> 
> (G-Express needs dotNetframework.  That is where I get stuck when
> 
> trying to install it using WINE.)
> 

Without knowing the .Net version, you could try to use a clean 32-bit 
Wineprefix and use winetricks to install .Net
---
Floris

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#197995

On 07/25/2018 06:18 AM, floris wrote:
> Roy schreef op 2018-07-25 01:37:
>
>>
>>
>> (G-Express needs dotNetframework.  That is where I get stuck when
>>
>> trying to install it using WINE.)
>>
>
> Without knowing the .Net version, you could try to use a clean 32-bit 
> Wineprefix and use winetricks to install .Net
> ---
> Floris
>
>
I have a similar question about installing the Garmin updater. I'm 
afraid I don't understand the above. What is meant
by "a clean 32-bit Wineprefix"? Is Wineprefix a file, or what? I have 
wine32.32bit, if that is relevant.

Thanx--doug

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#197998

Thanks Floris and Doug for your replies.  Now I know that my question 
made it to the list and at least one other person has a similar concern 
with Garmin Express.

By Googling this, I have read many different forums and web pages about 
installing this on Linux.  Most of those discussions were from 2010 ~ 
2017.  The only solution indicated to work was to install Windows as a 
guest in a virtual machine.  Oracle VirtualBox seems to be the most 
popular.  It is what I have used to evaluate numerous Linux distros 
until finding those I like the best.

Since WINE is still under active development and it is 2018, I was 
hoping that someone would respond with "It works on WINE if you do this, 
this and this..."  At least that would let me know that it was 
possible.  I am now of the opinion that GarminExpress-on-WINE is not 
possible at this time.  Either use the Windows-in-VBox or 
Windows-dual-boot solution.

I am not a programmer but I consider myself to be a reasonably 
proficient user from using DOS and various versions of Windows since the 
early 1980's. I have only been using Linux for about 4 months and Google 
answers most of my questions.

Doug-

to try to answer your question a "clean 32-bit Wineprefix", from what I 
see in WINE is a virtual hard drive designated as C:\ as Windows would 
do it.  It contains a complete file system that looks like a 
mini-Windows installation.  It is designated as a 32-bit or 64-bit at 
the time it is created.  Much like installing a 32 or 64 bit version of 
Windows.  This is where the Windows program of concern and all of its 
supporting components get installed.  If you want a more complete 
explanation please check out the WINE wiki page.

So, I am going to stop pursuing this unless any one else responds that 
they have been able to make it work.

Best regards,

Roy



On 07/25/2018 01:13 PM, Doug wrote:
>
> On 07/25/2018 06:18 AM, floris wrote:
>> Roy schreef op 2018-07-25 01:37:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (G-Express needs dotNetframework.  That is where I get stuck when
>>>
>>> trying to install it using WINE.)
>>>
>>
>> Without knowing the .Net version, you could try to use a clean 32-bit 
>> Wineprefix and use winetricks to install .Net
>> ---
>> Floris
>>
>>
> I have a similar question about installing the Garmin updater. I'm 
> afraid I don't understand the above. What is meant
> by "a clean 32-bit Wineprefix"? Is Wineprefix a file, or what? I have 
> wine32.32bit, if that is relevant.
>
> Thanx--doug
>

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#197999

Le mercredi 25 juillet 2018 à 15:27 -0500, Roy a écrit :
> Thanks Floris and Doug for your replies.  Now I know that my question 
> made it to the list and at least one other person has a similar concern 
> with Garmin Express.

The first thing to do is to raise the issue with Garmin. I have done
so, asking for a GNU/Linux version. At least they know and can't ignore
the fact that there is a demand.

The next thing to do is to STOP buying hardware requiring a Windows
application.

Finally for Garmin you don't need Garmin Express with all recent
hardware has they are supporting Bluetooth and so you can use the
Garmin Express for Mobile.

Hope this helps,

-- 
  Pascal Obry /  Magny Les Hameaux (78)

  The best way to travel is by means of imagination

  http://www.obry.net

  gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key F949BD3B

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#198003

On 07/25/2018 04:43 PM, Pascal Obry wrote:
> Le mercredi 25 juillet 2018 à 15:27 -0500, Roy a écrit :
/snip/
> Finally for Garmin you don't need Garmin Express with all recent 
> hardware has they are supporting Bluetooth and so you can use the 
> Garmin Express for Mobile. Hope this helps, 
I don't see how Bluetooth helps. I don't have BT on my computer,
and AFAIK, I don't have it on my router, and I don't have any way
to connect my phone (even if I knew how) to my Garmin. What am
I missing? (The router is an ASUS RT-AC56U, and I have no reason
to replace it.) The phone is a typical Motorola, with Android OS. I
guess it might have BT, but I don't actually know. I only use it as a
phone, and I don't answer it!

--doug

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#198004

On 07/25/2018 06:32 PM, Doug wrote:
>
> On 07/25/2018 04:43 PM, Pascal Obry wrote:
>> Le mercredi 25 juillet 2018 à 15:27 -0500, Roy a écrit :
> /snip/
>> Finally for Garmin you don't need Garmin Express with all recent 
>> hardware has they are supporting Bluetooth and so you can use the 
>> Garmin Express for Mobile. Hope this helps, 
> I don't see how Bluetooth helps. I don't have BT on my computer,
> and AFAIK, I don't have it on my router, and I don't have any way
> to connect my phone (even if I knew how) to my Garmin. What am
> I missing? (The router is an ASUS RT-AC56U, and I have no reason
> to replace it.) The phone is a typical Motorola, with Android OS. I
> guess it might have BT, but I don't actually know. I only use it as a
> phone, and I don't answer it!
>
> --doug

Hello again Doug-

Bluetooth is only for very short range communication.  Typical uses are 
for wireless mouse or keyboard to computer, wireless headset (with 
microphone, speaker and small switch to answer calls) a to mobile phone, 
or in Garmins case, from their fitness device to computer.  Used for 
uploading data from the fitness device to the computer.  These fitness 
devices may record the route taken during a run, persons heart rate, 
number of steps taken, etc.  That data can be uploaded to their computer 
via Bluetooth.  But a person certainly cannot recharge the device 
battery by Bluetooth.  Sooner or later it would need to be plugged in to 
something for that.  Whether or not the fitness device software can be 
updated via Bluetooth, I don't know.  I would not do it because "what 
happens when the battery dies in the middle of an update?" I do not use 
wireless mouse or keyboard because I don't want to mess with the 
batteries.  I already have enough stuff that uses batteries.

The other reason I am making this reply is because of your comment: "I 
only use it as a
phone, and I don't answer it."  You probably get as many robo-calls as I 
used to.  There is an app in the Google Play Store called TrueCaller.  I 
have been using it for about 2 years now and really like it.  It 
identifies the number calling you, their name and shows how many spam 
reports their database shows for that phone number. Then it gives you 
the option to answer or hang-up (without ever answering the call.  When 
you hang up, it then gives you the option to block that number.  The 
next time they call it hangs up automatically.  After about a month of 
using it you will have most robo callers in your area blocked and your 
phone will not even ring.  (Also, you can always un-block a number if 
you need to).
I think there is a paid version but I use the free version.

I guess I'm getting a bit off topic here so I will stop now.

Best regards,
Roy

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#198000

On Wednesday 25 July 2018 16:27:41 Roy wrote:

> Thanks Floris and Doug for your replies.  Now I know that my question
> made it to the list and at least one other person has a similar
> concern with Garmin Express.
>
> By Googling this, I have read many different forums and web pages
> about installing this on Linux.  Most of those discussions were from
> 2010 ~ 2017.  The only solution indicated to work was to install
> Windows as a guest in a virtual machine.  Oracle VirtualBox seems to
> be the most popular.  It is what I have used to evaluate numerous
> Linux distros until finding those I like the best.
>
> Since WINE is still under active development and it is 2018, I was
> hoping that someone would respond with "It works on WINE if you do
> this, this and this..."  At least that would let me know that it was
> possible.  I am now of the opinion that GarminExpress-on-WINE is not
> possible at this time.  Either use the Windows-in-VBox or
> Windows-dual-boot solution.
>
> I am not a programmer but I consider myself to be a reasonably
> proficient user from using DOS and various versions of Windows since
> the early 1980's. I have only been using Linux for about 4 months and
> Google answers most of my questions.
>
> Doug-
>
> to try to answer your question a "clean 32-bit Wineprefix", from what
> I see in WINE is a virtual hard drive designated as C:\ as Windows
> would do it.  It contains a complete file system that looks like a
> mini-Windows installation.  It is designated as a 32-bit or 64-bit at
> the time it is created.  Much like installing a 32 or 64 bit version
> of Windows.  This is where the Windows program of concern and all of
> its supporting components get installed.  If you want a more complete
> explanation please check out the WINE wiki page.
>
> So, I am going to stop pursuing this unless any one else responds that
> they have been able to make it work.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Roy
>
> On 07/25/2018 01:13 PM, Doug wrote:
> > On 07/25/2018 06:18 AM, floris wrote:
> >> Roy schreef op 2018-07-25 01:37:
> >>> (G-Express needs dotNetframework.  That is where I get stuck when
> >>>
> >>> trying to install it using WINE.)
> >>
> >> Without knowing the .Net version, you could try to use a clean
> >> 32-bit Wineprefix and use winetricks to install .Net
> >> ---
> >> Floris
> >
> > I have a similar question about installing the Garmin updater. I'm
> > afraid I don't understand the above. What is meant
> > by "a clean 32-bit Wineprefix"? Is Wineprefix a file, or what? I
> > have wine32.32bit, if that is relevant.
> >
> > Thanx--doug

One other utility you might try, dfu, device firmware updater.

I've no clue if that is the same protocol, but I might see if I can 
capture the data file after I've paid for it, and use dfu to put it on 
mine, which is now something like 10+ years out of date. I'd start by 
seeing if dfu recognizes the garmin. But I don't have any great urgency, 
the wife is about to the finish line with COPD, so we aren't going 
anyplace far enough away to need it.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#198002

On 07/25/2018 04:22 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 July 2018 16:27:41 Roy wrote:
>
>> Thanks Floris and Doug for your replies.  Now I know that my question
>> made it to the list and at least one other person has a similar
>> concern with Garmin Express.
>>
>> By Googling this, I have read many different forums and web pages
>> about installing this on Linux.  Most of those discussions were from
>> 2010 ~ 2017.  The only solution indicated to work was to install
>> Windows as a guest in a virtual machine.  Oracle VirtualBox seems to
>> be the most popular.  It is what I have used to evaluate numerous
>> Linux distros until finding those I like the best.
>>
>> Since WINE is still under active development and it is 2018, I was
>> hoping that someone would respond with "It works on WINE if you do
>> this, this and this..."  At least that would let me know that it was
>> possible.  I am now of the opinion that GarminExpress-on-WINE is not
>> possible at this time.  Either use the Windows-in-VBox or
>> Windows-dual-boot solution.
>>
>> I am not a programmer but I consider myself to be a reasonably
>> proficient user from using DOS and various versions of Windows since
>> the early 1980's. I have only been using Linux for about 4 months and
>> Google answers most of my questions.
>>
>> Doug-
>>
>> to try to answer your question a "clean 32-bit Wineprefix", from what
>> I see in WINE is a virtual hard drive designated as C:\ as Windows
>> would do it.  It contains a complete file system that looks like a
>> mini-Windows installation.  It is designated as a 32-bit or 64-bit at
>> the time it is created.  Much like installing a 32 or 64 bit version
>> of Windows.  This is where the Windows program of concern and all of
>> its supporting components get installed.  If you want a more complete
>> explanation please check out the WINE wiki page.
>>
>> So, I am going to stop pursuing this unless any one else responds that
>> they have been able to make it work.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Roy
>>
>> On 07/25/2018 01:13 PM, Doug wrote:
>>> On 07/25/2018 06:18 AM, floris wrote:
>>>> Roy schreef op 2018-07-25 01:37:
>>>>> (G-Express needs dotNetframework.  That is where I get stuck when
>>>>>
>>>>> trying to install it using WINE.)
>>>> Without knowing the .Net version, you could try to use a clean
>>>> 32-bit Wineprefix and use winetricks to install .Net
>>>> ---
>>>> Floris
>>> I have a similar question about installing the Garmin updater. I'm
>>> afraid I don't understand the above. What is meant
>>> by "a clean 32-bit Wineprefix"? Is Wineprefix a file, or what? I
>>> have wine32.32bit, if that is relevant.
>>>
>>> Thanx--doug
> One other utility you might try, dfu, device firmware updater.
>
> I've no clue if that is the same protocol, but I might see if I can
> capture the data file after I've paid for it, and use dfu to put it on
> mine, which is now something like 10+ years out of date. I'd start by
> seeing if dfu recognizes the garmin. But I don't have any great urgency,
> the wife is about to the finish line with COPD, so we aren't going
> anyplace far enough away to need it.
>
Hello Gene,
Thanks for your reply.  Sorry to  hear of your situation with your 
wife.  Best wishes for you and her.

I just looked at the commercial version of wine named CrossOver. They 
have a forum and list of Windows programs that function with it.  Sadly, 
garmin express is listed as "will install but will not run".

With Linux I can connect to the garmin as if it was an external storage 
device to transfer files.

Updating the maps is an entirely different function.  When connected by 
USB, garmin express recognizes the device by model number and serial 
number.  Then checks with the garmin servers to verify that the device 
is eligible for an update.  Only those devices that have "Lifetime map 
updates" are eligible.  (or individual maps can be purchased for those 
without lifetime maps)  Then it verifies and usually updates the 
software before downloading and installing the new map files.  The maps 
are large files about 1.5 Gb or so.  It can take an hour or more to 
update the map files.

I only use this 2 or 3 times a year, so it is not an every day need.  I 
am also now retired, so I don't travel like I used to but I still prefer 
to keep the GPS maps up to date even for local driving.

I also looked at the garmin mobile software that uses Bluetooth but it 
is only for the garmin fitness devices (which I don't use).  My concern 
is for the NUVI series GPS devices.  There is also another way using 
"mapsource".  But I don't think they have the up-to-date maps.

Best regards,
Roy

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#198001

On 07/25/2018 01:27 PM, Roy wrote:
> Thanks Floris and Doug for your replies.  Now I know that my question 
> made it to the list and at least one other person has a similar 
> concern with Garmin Express.
>
> By Googling this, I have read many different forums and web pages 
> about installing this on Linux.  Most of those discussions were from 
> 2010 ~ 2017.  The only solution indicated to work was to install 
> Windows as a guest in a virtual machine.  Oracle VirtualBox seems to 
> be the most popular.  It is what I have used to evaluate numerous 
> Linux distros until finding those I like the best.
>
> Since WINE is still under active development and it is 2018, I was 
> hoping that someone would respond with "It works on WINE if you do 
> this, this and this..."  At least that would let me know that it was 
> possible.  I am now of the opinion that GarminExpress-on-WINE is not 
> possible at this time.  Either use the Windows-in-VBox or 
> Windows-dual-boot solution.
>
> I am not a programmer but I consider myself to be a reasonably 
> proficient user from using DOS and various versions of Windows since 
> the early 1980's. I have only been using Linux for about 4 months and 
> Google answers most of my questions.
>
> Doug-
>
> to try to answer your question a "clean 32-bit Wineprefix", from what 
> I see in WINE is a virtual hard drive designated as C:\ as Windows 
> would do it.  It contains a complete file system that looks like a 
> mini-Windows installation.  It is designated as a 32-bit or 64-bit at 
> the time it is created.  Much like installing a 32 or 64 bit version 
> of Windows.  This is where the Windows program of concern and all of 
> its supporting components get installed.  If you want a more complete 
> explanation please check out the WINE wiki page.
>
> So, I am going to stop pursuing this unless any one else responds that 
> they have been able to make it work.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Roy
>
>
>
> On 07/25/2018 01:13 PM, Doug wrote:
>>
>> On 07/25/2018 06:18 AM, floris wrote:
>>> Roy schreef op 2018-07-25 01:37:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (G-Express needs dotNetframework.  That is where I get stuck when
>>>>
>>>> trying to install it using WINE.)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Without knowing the .Net version, you could try to use a clean 
>>> 32-bit Wineprefix and use winetricks to install .Net
>>> ---
>>> Floris
>>>
>>>
>> I have a similar question about installing the Garmin updater. I'm 
>> afraid I don't understand the above. What is meant
>> by "a clean 32-bit Wineprefix"? Is Wineprefix a file, or what? I have 
>> wine32.32bit, if that is relevant.
>>
>> Thanx--doug
>>
>
>
Hello,
You might try the commercial version of wine at https://www.codeweavers.com
They have a free trial version and if it works the full version is not 
very expensive.
Best regards,
Fred

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