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  If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-07-21 17:50 +0200
    Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-07-21 18:30 +0200
      Re: Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-22 00:20 +0200
        Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-07-22 03:50 +0200
          Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-22 17:10 +0200
            Re: If not "newbie" then ??? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-07-22 18:10 +0200
            Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-07-22 21:10 +0200
              Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-26 14:20 +0200
        Re: If not "newbie" then ???? songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2018-07-22 15:10 +0200
          Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-22 17:30 +0200
      Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-07-22 03:40 +0200
    Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-22 00:10 +0200
      Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-07-22 04:10 +0200
      Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-07-22 10:10 +0200
        Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-22 17:20 +0200
          Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-07-24 11:40 +0200
        CherryTree - was [Re: If not "newbie" then ????] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-04 12:30 +0200
          Re: CherryTree - was [Re: If not "newbie" then ????] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-08-04 12:50 +0200
            Re: CherryTree - was [Re: If not "newbie" then ????] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-04 13:00 +0200
              Re: CherryTree - was [Re: If not "newbie" then ????] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-08-04 13:10 +0200
      Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-07-22 14:20 +0200
        Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-07-22 15:10 +0200
          Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-22 17:20 +0200
        Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-22 17:20 +0200
      Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-05 14:50 +0200
        Re: If not "newbie" then ???? songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2018-08-06 05:30 +0200
          Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-06 15:30 +0200
            Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-06 16:50 +0200
              Searching and organizing emails (Re: If not "newbie" then ????) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 16:40 +0200
                Re: Searching and organizing emails (Re: If not "newbie" then ????) Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-23 18:40 +0200
    Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-07-22 12:30 +0200
      Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2018-07-22 12:40 +0200
        Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-07-23 10:30 +0200
          Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2018-07-23 11:20 +0200
            Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-26 14:30 +0200
    Survival Notes [Was: Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2018-07-22 14:20 +0200
      Re: Survival Notes [Was: Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-07-22 14:50 +0200

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#197848 — If not "newbie" then ????

When I'm "ignorant" and know it, I refer to myself as a "newbie".
My first contact with Linux was when Squeeze was just introduced.
I've been around computers for a while [remember 12AX7 based CPU's?]. As 
a BSEE student 50+ years ago I took an introductory programming course. 
Later I programmed in 8080 assembler - at the time we were moving to 
8085. As a consumer I ended up in the M$ land.

So, how would this group have me to refer to myself without claiming 
competency I just *DO NOT* have?

P.S. I've saved ~6 years of useful posts from this group. I've been 
trying to figure out how to organize it in order to create a QWSBFA 
rather than a FAQ. QWSBFA=="Questions Which Should Be Frequently Asked" ;/

OWL ducks fer cover ;}

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#197850

On Saturday 21 July 2018 11:42:31 Richard Owlett wrote:

> When I'm "ignorant" and know it, I refer to myself as a "newbie".
> My first contact with Linux was when Squeeze was just introduced.
> I've been around computers for a while [remember 12AX7 based CPU's?].

No, but I recall seeing, in Iowa City in the very early 1950's, a bit of 
a monster that had 12,000 12AU7's in it.  Used at the time to grade the 
Iowa tests, the same one I had taken in school and got a quite high 
score on. They had rigged a Harris Stream fed printing press with a 
photocell at every mark location on the paper and were calculating the 
scores from that.

> As a BSEE student 50+ years ago I took an introductory programming
> course. Later I programmed in 8080 assembler - at the time we were
> moving to 8085. As a consumer I ended up in the M$ land.

I started with the rca 1802. Still an interesting architecture, one that 
was able to function in several rads a minute of atomic radiation. But I 
tried the z-80, found it wanting, then the 6809 which put me firmly on a 
unix like path, and to this day I still don't have a winders box on the 
premises. Quite a few linux machines though.

And I'm still a new bee...  But a fading one due to the age of the wet 
ram now.

> So, how would this group have me to refer to myself without claiming
> competency I just *DO NOT* have?
>
> P.S. I've saved ~6 years of useful posts from this group. I've been
> trying to figure out how to organize it in order to create a QWSBFA
> rather than a FAQ. QWSBFA=="Questions Which Should Be Frequently
> Asked" ;/


That sounds like a heck of a usefull project.

> OWL ducks fer cover ;}
If you find a good cover, see if there's room for me too.


-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#197856

On 07/21/2018 12:20 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 21 July 2018 11:42:31 Richard Owlett wrote:
> 
>> When I'm "ignorant" and know it, I refer to myself as a "newbie".
>> My first contact with Linux was when Squeeze was just introduced.
>> I've been around computers for a while [remember 12AX7 based CPU's?].
> 
> No, but I recall seeing, in Iowa City in the very early 1950's, a bit of
> a monster that had 12,000 12AU7's in it.  Used at the time to grade the
> Iowa tests, the same one I had taken in school and got a quite high
> score on. They had rigged a Harris Stream fed printing press with a
> photocell at every mark location on the paper and were calculating the
> scores from that.
> 
>> As a BSEE student 50+ years ago I took an introductory programming
>> course. Later I programmed in 8080 assembler - at the time we were
>> moving to 8085. As a consumer I ended up in the M$ land.
> 
> I started with the rca 1802. Still an interesting architecture, one that
> was able to function in several rads a minute of atomic radiation. But I
> tried the z-80, found it wanting, then the 6809 which put me firmly on a
> unix like path, and to this day I still don't have a winders box on the
> premises. Quite a few linux machines though.

OS-9 Level II on a CoCo 3 by any chance? I had one of those systems and 
then I went to DOS and Windows. That to me was a step down until 
Slackware came along. Then Red Hat, then Mandrake ('scuze me...er... 
Mandriva), then Mint, Then Solyd, now full on Debian. I only used Ubuntu 
as a web server at work and in test VMs. Oh, and there was a stint in 
there somewhere where I was dabbling on a real-life Unix system. My ISP 
back in the day had "shell accounts" and a wizard (RIP) who worked there 
took me under his wing and taught me how to use it and saved my sorry 
butt when I screwed up. :)

The VERY FIRST computer I ever used was a teletype terminal on a DEC 
Rainbow (TeleWriter) at the Jr. High School. I was one year too young to 
technically be allowed to use it but they let me anyway. Only a few whiz 
kids were allowed on it. Me? I couldn't do a damn thing with it so gave 
up. :-/ Then I started tinkering with the Bell & Howell and Apple 
Computers at the school. I think that came after I bugged my parents for 
a computer and they came home from Radio Shack with a Trash-80 Model III 
with 4K RAM, cassette interface (later CGP-115 4" roll paper 4-color 
plotter). They never put disk drives in the thing. I spent HOURS 
programming stuff and got good enough to do labels for my dad's business 
and title screens for family videos (VHS - my dad would record the 
screen, and tape-splice VHS tapes). From there they gave me a Trash-80 
(called "Tandy" by then) PC-4 pocket computer. When I got a job I got a 
Tandy CoCo 3 and OS-9 Level II and let's just say that was the beginning 
of everything Unix-like for me. Though it was more a VAX/Unix blend I 
think. And Basic09 was more a Pascal/Basic blend.

> And I'm still a new bee...  But a fading one due to the age of the wet
> ram now.

I'm also a bee of some kind. Probably a drone or worker bee. I'll always 
be a bee of some kind though. I often find myself getting sidetracked 
and wanting to learn new things, not realizing just how old I got already!

>> So, how would this group have me to refer to myself without claiming
>> competency I just *DO NOT* have?
>>
>> P.S. I've saved ~6 years of useful posts from this group. I've been
>> trying to figure out how to organize it in order to create a QWSBFA
>> rather than a FAQ. QWSBFA=="Questions Which Should Be Frequently
>> Asked" ;/
> 
> 
> That sounds like a heck of a usefull project.
> 
>> OWL ducks fer cover ;}
> If you find a good cover, see if there's room for me too.

And me too, along with a good flame-retardant suit and a nice, cozy rock 
to hide under. ;->

That's the one cool thing about this group and groups like it is the 
conversations where you learn a little bit about those folks in the 
group in between learning other useful things. Reminds me of the old 
FidoNet days (and later newsgroup days - do they still even have either 
anymore??)

---
TAGLINE: "Wait-a-minit. Almonds don't have legs."

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#197862

On Saturday 21 July 2018 18:01:07 cyaiplexys wrote:

> On 07/21/2018 12:20 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 21 July 2018 11:42:31 Richard Owlett wrote:
> >> When I'm "ignorant" and know it, I refer to myself as a "newbie".
> >> My first contact with Linux was when Squeeze was just introduced.
> >> I've been around computers for a while [remember 12AX7 based
> >> CPU's?].
> >
> > No, but I recall seeing, in Iowa City in the very early 1950's, a
> > bit of a monster that had 12,000 12AU7's in it.  Used at the time to
> > grade the Iowa tests, the same one I had taken in school and got a
> > quite high score on. They had rigged a Harris Stream fed printing
> > press with a photocell at every mark location on the paper and were
> > calculating the scores from that.
> >
> >> As a BSEE student 50+ years ago I took an introductory programming
> >> course. Later I programmed in 8080 assembler - at the time we were
> >> moving to 8085. As a consumer I ended up in the M$ land.
> >
> > I started with the rca 1802. Still an interesting architecture, one
> > that was able to function in several rads a minute of atomic
> > radiation. But I tried the z-80, found it wanting, then the 6809
> > which put me firmly on a unix like path, and to this day I still
> > don't have a winders box on the premises. Quite a few linux machines
> > though.
>
> OS-9 Level II on a CoCo 3 by any chance? 

Actually level 1.01 on a coco2.

> I had one of those systems 

So  do I but the two 1 Gb hard drives are seized from stiction.

> and then I went to DOS and Windows. That to me was a step down until
> Slackware came along. Then Red Hat, then Mandrake ('scuze me...er...
> Mandriva), then Mint, Then Solyd, now full on Debian. I only used
> Ubuntu as a web server at work and in test VMs. Oh, and there was a
> stint in there somewhere where I was dabbling on a real-life Unix
> system.

We had an AT&T 3b2 in between motherboard fires for a network message 
system for about 3 years, replaced by a pdp-11/23. It also was a major 
pita, crashing for no reason and dec's incompetant service techs 
replaced everything in it except the frame rail with the serial number 
on it. I finally cajoled the network tech at CBS into trading my machine 
for his test mule.  Worked fine, but my machine he then had was 
worthless as a test mule, so we got, as did all the affiliates, at CBS 
expense, an industrial IBM with an ARTIC card that actually did all the 
work.  That, once I had edited the sat table, worked well until a newby 
tech dialed into it one day and helpfully fixed my tables. Took me about 
3 days of waving a 7 meter dish around to find all the birds again. That 
got the phone line unplugged unless they called me ahead of time. Most 
of its data by then was sent over the teletex path in the ntsc vertical 
interval.  I was the CE at that tv station for the last 18 years I 
worked. I had found my nitch.  And it was a good one, getting raises I 
didn't have to ask for, so I was making about $15k a year more than any 
other similar market sized station could afford.

> My ISP back in the day had "shell accounts" and a wizard (RIP) 
> who worked there took me under his wing and taught me how to use it
> and saved my sorry butt when I screwed up. :)
>
> The VERY FIRST computer I ever used was a teletype terminal on a DEC
> Rainbow (TeleWriter) at the Jr. High School. I was one year too young
> to technically be allowed to use it but they let me anyway. Only a few
> whiz kids were allowed on it. Me? I couldn't do a damn thing with it
> so gave up. :-/ Then I started tinkering with the Bell & Howell and
> Apple Computers at the school. I think that came after I bugged my
> parents for a computer and they came home from Radio Shack with a
> Trash-80 Model III with 4K RAM, cassette interface (later CGP-115 4"
> roll paper 4-color plotter).

I still have one of those someplace in the midden heap of a basement.

> They never put disk drives in the thing. 
> I spent HOURS programming stuff and got good enough to do labels for
> my dad's business and title screens for family videos (VHS - my dad
> would record the screen, and tape-splice VHS tapes). From there they
> gave me a Trash-80 (called "Tandy" by then) PC-4 pocket computer. When
> I got a job I got a Tandy CoCo 3 and OS-9 Level II and let's just say
> that was the beginning of everything Unix-like for me. Though it was
> more a VAX/Unix blend I think. And Basic09 was more a Pascal/Basic
> blend.
>
> > And I'm still a new bee...  But a fading one due to the age of the
> > wet ram now.

Which I didn't state, but I'll be 84 this fall.

> I'm also a bee of some kind. Probably a drone or worker bee. I'll
> always be a bee of some kind though. I often find myself getting
> sidetracked and wanting to learn new things, not realizing just how
> old I got already!

Theres an echo in here. :)
>
> >> So, how would this group have me to refer to myself without
> >> claiming competency I just *DO NOT* have?
> >>
> >> P.S. I've saved ~6 years of useful posts from this group. I've been
> >> trying to figure out how to organize it in order to create a QWSBFA
> >> rather than a FAQ. QWSBFA=="Questions Which Should Be Frequently
> >> Asked" ;/
> >
> > That sounds like a heck of a usefull project.
> >
> >> OWL ducks fer cover ;}
> >
> > If you find a good cover, see if there's room for me too.
>
> And me too, along with a good flame-retardant suit and a nice, cozy
> rock to hide under. ;->
>
> That's the one cool thing about this group and groups like it is the
> conversations where you learn a little bit about those folks in the
> group in between learning other useful things. Reminds me of the old
> FidoNet days (and later newsgroup days - do they still even have
> either anymore??)
>
> ---
> TAGLINE: "Wait-a-minit. Almonds don't have legs."

Take care guy.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#197894

On 07/21/2018 09:43 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 21 July 2018 18:01:07 cyaiplexys wrote:
> 
>> On 07/21/2018 12:20 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> On Saturday 21 July 2018 11:42:31 Richard Owlett wrote:
>>>> When I'm "ignorant" and know it, I refer to myself as a "newbie".
>>>> My first contact with Linux was when Squeeze was just introduced.
>>>> I've been around computers for a while [remember 12AX7 based
>>>> CPU's?].
>>>
>>> No, but I recall seeing, in Iowa City in the very early 1950's, a
>>> bit of a monster that had 12,000 12AU7's in it.  Used at the time to
>>> grade the Iowa tests, the same one I had taken in school and got a
>>> quite high score on. They had rigged a Harris Stream fed printing
>>> press with a photocell at every mark location on the paper and were
>>> calculating the scores from that.
>>>
>>>> As a BSEE student 50+ years ago I took an introductory programming
>>>> course. Later I programmed in 8080 assembler - at the time we were
>>>> moving to 8085. As a consumer I ended up in the M$ land.
>>>
>>> I started with the rca 1802. Still an interesting architecture, one
>>> that was able to function in several rads a minute of atomic
>>> radiation. But I tried the z-80, found it wanting, then the 6809
>>> which put me firmly on a unix like path, and to this day I still
>>> don't have a winders box on the premises. Quite a few linux machines
>>> though.
>>
>> OS-9 Level II on a CoCo 3 by any chance?
> 
> Actually level 1.01 on a coco2.

I remember that as well. But I only had it because I snarfed up some old 
stuff when the local Radio Shack was liquidating. I also had a couple 
CoCo 2's. I never really did anything with Level I though since the 512K 
CoCo 3 and OS-9 Level II was my main system at the time.

>> I had one of those systems
> So  do I but the two 1 Gb hard drives are seized from stiction.

I no longer have the CoCos unfortunatley. 1GB HDs on a CoCo? That would 
have been totally awesome! The most modern thing I had at the time was 
sticking a 3.5" 1.44MB floppy drive as the second drive in with the 
5.25" floppy drive in the FD-502 disk box. That way I could use the 
Tandy 1100FD laptop I had (which had the 1200 baud modem) to go on the 
BBSs and download CoCo/OS-9 stuff and then easily read it off the disk.

>> and then I went to DOS and Windows. That to me was a step down until
>> Slackware came along. Then Red Hat, then Mandrake ('scuze me...er...
>> Mandriva), then Mint, Then Solyd, now full on Debian. I only used
>> Ubuntu as a web server at work and in test VMs. Oh, and there was a
>> stint in there somewhere where I was dabbling on a real-life Unix
>> system.
> 
> We had an AT&T 3b2 in between motherboard fires for a network message
> system for about 3 years, replaced by a pdp-11/23. It also was a major
> pita, crashing for no reason and dec's incompetant service techs
> replaced everything in it except the frame rail with the serial number
> on it. I finally cajoled the network tech at CBS into trading my machine
> for his test mule.  Worked fine, but my machine he then had was
> worthless as a test mule, so we got, as did all the affiliates, at CBS
> expense, an industrial IBM with an ARTIC card that actually did all the
> work.  That, once I had edited the sat table, worked well until a newby
> tech dialed into it one day and helpfully fixed my tables. Took me about
> 3 days of waving a 7 meter dish around to find all the birds again. That
> got the phone line unplugged unless they called me ahead of time. Most
> of its data by then was sent over the teletex path in the ntsc vertical
> interval.  I was the CE at that tv station for the last 18 years I
> worked. I had found my nitch.  And it was a good one, getting raises I
> didn't have to ask for, so I was making about $15k a year more than any
> other similar market sized station could afford.

Sweet job! I been working for a small mom & pop web hosting company for 
the nearly 15 years. Very easy stuff, actually, as I don't have much to 
do overall (boss is very laid back and also likes to do plenty of stuff 
himself). Before that I worked in electronic assembly jobs. Got out of 
that mostly due to chemicals, and non-OSHA-compliant companies getting 
away with (slow) murder. I think it was then that I decided to pursue a 
career in programming.

>> My ISP back in the day had "shell accounts" and a wizard (RIP)
>> who worked there took me under his wing and taught me how to use it
>> and saved my sorry butt when I screwed up. :)
>>
>> The VERY FIRST computer I ever used was a teletype terminal on a DEC
>> Rainbow (TeleWriter) at the Jr. High School. I was one year too young
>> to technically be allowed to use it but they let me anyway. Only a few
>> whiz kids were allowed on it. Me? I couldn't do a damn thing with it
>> so gave up. :-/ Then I started tinkering with the Bell & Howell and
>> Apple Computers at the school. I think that came after I bugged my
>> parents for a computer and they came home from Radio Shack with a
>> Trash-80 Model III with 4K RAM, cassette interface (later CGP-115 4"
>> roll paper 4-color plotter).
> 
> I still have one of those someplace in the midden heap of a basement.

You should put up an online museum! :) I haven't seen one of those since 
my Jr. High years!
>> They never put disk drives in the thing.
>> I spent HOURS programming stuff and got good enough to do labels for
>> my dad's business and title screens for family videos (VHS - my dad
>> would record the screen, and tape-splice VHS tapes). From there they
>> gave me a Trash-80 (called "Tandy" by then) PC-4 pocket computer. When
>> I got a job I got a Tandy CoCo 3 and OS-9 Level II and let's just say
>> that was the beginning of everything Unix-like for me. Though it was
>> more a VAX/Unix blend I think. And Basic09 was more a Pascal/Basic
>> blend.
>>
>>> And I'm still a new bee...  But a fading one due to the age of the
>>> wet ram now.
> 
> Which I didn't state, but I'll be 84 this fall.

Much respect to you, sir! You've seen it all. Literally. I just turned 
52 a little over a week ago. I was fascinated with computers and 
electronics since age 7 (blame too much sci-fi for that). I soldered my 
first electronics kit (Radio Shack AM Radio kit) at that age. My mother 
told my dad I was too young but my dad said no that it would be OK and 
gave me his soldering iron to put the kit together with. It turned out 
really good and worked for years after! That I think really got me 
started on my electronics path. Now I guess you can see why I am 
interested in Arduino.

>> I'm also a bee of some kind. Probably a drone or worker bee. I'll
>> always be a bee of some kind though. I often find myself getting
>> sidetracked and wanting to learn new things, not realizing just how
>> old I got already!
> 
> Theres an echo in here. :)

That'd bee me. And to keep this somewhat on topic - I do enjoy using my 
DeBEEian system (couldn't resist). :P

>>>> So, how would this group have me to refer to myself without
>>>> claiming competency I just *DO NOT* have?
>>>>
>>>> P.S. I've saved ~6 years of useful posts from this group. I've been
>>>> trying to figure out how to organize it in order to create a QWSBFA
>>>> rather than a FAQ. QWSBFA=="Questions Which Should Be Frequently
>>>> Asked" ;/
>>>
>>> That sounds like a heck of a usefull project.
>>>
>>>> OWL ducks fer cover ;}
>>>
>>> If you find a good cover, see if there's room for me too.
>>
>> And me too, along with a good flame-retardant suit and a nice, cozy
>> rock to hide under. ;->
>>
>> That's the one cool thing about this group and groups like it is the
>> conversations where you learn a little bit about those folks in the
>> group in between learning other useful things. Reminds me of the old
>> FidoNet days (and later newsgroup days - do they still even have
>> either anymore??)
>>
>> ---
>> TAGLINE: "Wait-a-minit. Almonds don't have legs."
> 
> Take care guy.

Best wishes to you as well. I hope that I'm still playing around with 
this stuff at that age. I remember taking an online C++ course years ago 
and there was another student in the class that was 92. He was taking 
the course to help him stave off Alzheimer's! He did really good too. As 
for me, I got a 100% on my final exam. And here I am still not great at 
C or C++. No I didn't cheat. Brain cells up and aged on me since then!

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#197905 — Re: If not "newbie" then ???

On Sunday 22 July 2018 11:04:32 cyaiplexys wrote:

And I finally figured out why this thread is sorted to the spam folder 
here, one of my spam detectors is an excess of ???? or more question 
marks in the subject line. Spammers do that to make their bs look more 
important. So please don't use more than 3.

> On 07/21/2018 09:43 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 21 July 2018 18:01:07 cyaiplexys wrote:
> >> On 07/21/2018 12:20 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >>> On Saturday 21 July 2018 11:42:31 Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>>> When I'm "ignorant" and know it, I refer to myself as a "newbie".
> >>>> My first contact with Linux was when Squeeze was just introduced.
> >>>> I've been around computers for a while [remember 12AX7 based
> >>>> CPU's?].
> >>>
> >>> No, but I recall seeing, in Iowa City in the very early 1950's, a
> >>> bit of a monster that had 12,000 12AU7's in it.  Used at the time
> >>> to grade the Iowa tests, the same one I had taken in school and
> >>> got a quite high score on. They had rigged a Harris Stream fed
> >>> printing press with a photocell at every mark location on the
> >>> paper and were calculating the scores from that.
> >>>
> >>>> As a BSEE student 50+ years ago I took an introductory
> >>>> programming course. Later I programmed in 8080 assembler - at the
> >>>> time we were moving to 8085. As a consumer I ended up in the M$
> >>>> land.
> >>>
> >>> I started with the rca 1802. Still an interesting architecture,
> >>> one that was able to function in several rads a minute of atomic
> >>> radiation. But I tried the z-80, found it wanting, then the 6809
> >>> which put me firmly on a unix like path, and to this day I still
> >>> don't have a winders box on the premises. Quite a few linux
> >>> machines though.
> >>
> >> OS-9 Level II on a CoCo 3 by any chance?
> >
> > Actually level 1.01 on a coco2.
>
> I remember that as well. But I only had it because I snarfed up some
> old stuff when the local Radio Shack was liquidating. I also had a
> couple CoCo 2's. I never really did anything with Level I though since
> the 512K CoCo 3 and OS-9 Level II was my main system at the time.
>
> >> I had one of those systems
> >
> > So  do I but the two 1 Gb hard drives are seized from stiction.
>
> I no longer have the CoCos unfortunatley. 1GB HDs on a CoCo? That
> would have been totally awesome! The most modern thing I had at the
> time was sticking a 3.5" 1.44MB floppy drive as the second drive in
> with the 5.25" floppy drive in the FD-502 disk box. That way I could
> use the Tandy 1100FD laptop I had (which had the 1200 baud modem) to
> go on the BBSs and download CoCo/OS-9 stuff and then easily read it
> off the disk.
>
> >> and then I went to DOS and Windows. That to me was a step down
> >> until Slackware came along. Then Red Hat, then Mandrake ('scuze
> >> me...er... Mandriva), then Mint, Then Solyd, now full on Debian. I
> >> only used Ubuntu as a web server at work and in test VMs. Oh, and
> >> there was a stint in there somewhere where I was dabbling on a
> >> real-life Unix system.
> >
> > We had an AT&T 3b2 in between motherboard fires for a network
> > message system for about 3 years, replaced by a pdp-11/23. It also
> > was a major pita, crashing for no reason and dec's incompetant
> > service techs replaced everything in it except the frame rail with
> > the serial number on it. I finally cajoled the network tech at CBS
> > into trading my machine for his test mule.  Worked fine, but my
> > machine he then had was worthless as a test mule, so we got, as did
> > all the affiliates, at CBS expense, an industrial IBM with an ARTIC
> > card that actually did all the work.  That, once I had edited the
> > sat table, worked well until a newby tech dialed into it one day and
> > helpfully fixed my tables. Took me about 3 days of waving a 7 meter
> > dish around to find all the birds again. That got the phone line
> > unplugged unless they called me ahead of time. Most of its data by
> > then was sent over the teletex path in the ntsc vertical interval. 
> > I was the CE at that tv station for the last 18 years I worked. I
> > had found my nitch.  And it was a good one, getting raises I didn't
> > have to ask for, so I was making about $15k a year more than any
> > other similar market sized station could afford.
>
> Sweet job! I been working for a small mom & pop web hosting company
> for the nearly 15 years. Very easy stuff, actually, as I don't have
> much to do overall (boss is very laid back and also likes to do plenty
> of stuff himself). Before that I worked in electronic assembly jobs.
> Got out of that mostly due to chemicals, and non-OSHA-compliant
> companies getting away with (slow) murder. I think it was then that I
> decided to pursue a career in programming.
>
> >> My ISP back in the day had "shell accounts" and a wizard (RIP)
> >> who worked there took me under his wing and taught me how to use it
> >> and saved my sorry butt when I screwed up. :)
> >>
> >> The VERY FIRST computer I ever used was a teletype terminal on a
> >> DEC Rainbow (TeleWriter) at the Jr. High School. I was one year too
> >> young to technically be allowed to use it but they let me anyway.
> >> Only a few whiz kids were allowed on it. Me? I couldn't do a damn
> >> thing with it so gave up. :-/ Then I started tinkering with the
> >> Bell & Howell and Apple Computers at the school. I think that came
> >> after I bugged my parents for a computer and they came home from
> >> Radio Shack with a Trash-80 Model III with 4K RAM, cassette
> >> interface (later CGP-115 4" roll paper 4-color plotter).
> >
> > I still have one of those someplace in the midden heap of a
> > basement.
>
> You should put up an online museum! :) I haven't seen one of those
> since my Jr. High years!
>
> >> They never put disk drives in the thing.
> >> I spent HOURS programming stuff and got good enough to do labels
> >> for my dad's business and title screens for family videos (VHS - my
> >> dad would record the screen, and tape-splice VHS tapes). From there
> >> they gave me a Trash-80 (called "Tandy" by then) PC-4 pocket
> >> computer. When I got a job I got a Tandy CoCo 3 and OS-9 Level II
> >> and let's just say that was the beginning of everything Unix-like
> >> for me. Though it was more a VAX/Unix blend I think. And Basic09
> >> was more a Pascal/Basic blend.
> >>
> >>> And I'm still a new bee...  But a fading one due to the age of the
> >>> wet ram now.
> >
> > Which I didn't state, but I'll be 84 this fall.
>
> Much respect to you, sir! You've seen it all. Literally. I just turned
> 52 a little over a week ago. I was fascinated with computers and
> electronics since age 7 (blame too much sci-fi for that). I soldered
> my first electronics kit (Radio Shack AM Radio kit) at that age. My
> mother told my dad I was too young but my dad said no that it would be
> OK and gave me his soldering iron to put the kit together with. It
> turned out really good and worked for years after! That I think really
> got me started on my electronics path. Now I guess you can see why I
> am interested in Arduino.
>
> >> I'm also a bee of some kind. Probably a drone or worker bee. I'll
> >> always be a bee of some kind though. I often find myself getting
> >> sidetracked and wanting to learn new things, not realizing just how
> >> old I got already!
> >
> > Theres an echo in here. :)
>
> That'd bee me. And to keep this somewhat on topic - I do enjoy using
> my DeBEEian system (couldn't resist). :P
>
> >>>> So, how would this group have me to refer to myself without
> >>>> claiming competency I just *DO NOT* have?
> >>>>
> >>>> P.S. I've saved ~6 years of useful posts from this group. I've
> >>>> been trying to figure out how to organize it in order to create a
> >>>> QWSBFA rather than a FAQ. QWSBFA=="Questions Which Should Be
> >>>> Frequently Asked" ;/
> >>>
> >>> That sounds like a heck of a usefull project.
> >>>
> >>>> OWL ducks fer cover ;}
> >>>
> >>> If you find a good cover, see if there's room for me too.
> >>
> >> And me too, along with a good flame-retardant suit and a nice, cozy
> >> rock to hide under. ;->
> >>
> >> That's the one cool thing about this group and groups like it is
> >> the conversations where you learn a little bit about those folks in
> >> the group in between learning other useful things. Reminds me of
> >> the old FidoNet days (and later newsgroup days - do they still even
> >> have either anymore??)
> >>
> >> ---
> >> TAGLINE: "Wait-a-minit. Almonds don't have legs."
> >
> > Take care guy.
>
> Best wishes to you as well. I hope that I'm still playing around with
> this stuff at that age. I remember taking an online C++ course years
> ago and there was another student in the class that was 92. He was
> taking the course to help him stave off Alzheimer's! He did really
> good too. As for me, I got a 100% on my final exam. And here I am
> still not great at C or C++. No I didn't cheat. Brain cells up and
> aged on me since then!



-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#197915

On 07/22/2018 10:04 AM, cyaiplexys wrote:
> On 07/21/2018 09:43 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> Best wishes to you as well. I hope that I'm still playing around with 
> this stuff at that age. I remember taking an online C++ course years ago 
> and there was another student in the class that was 92. He was taking 
> the course to help him stave off Alzheimer's! He did really good too. As 
> for me, I got a 100% on my final exam. And here I am still not great at 
> C or C++. No I didn't cheat. Brain cells up and aged on me since then!

<memory lane time>
The summer between my high school junior and senior years I had the 
opportunity to take a college level physics course. One of my classmates 
was positively elderly, being older than my parents - twas 70+ ;/

More seriously, for benefit of lurking "young whipper-snappers", stay 
physically *AND* mentally active. My mother, who got her RN in the 20's, 
did volunteer work at the Church Home and with social services outreach 
to children into her 90's. That kept her physically/socially active. As 
to mentally acuity, she pursued crossword puzzles, challenging my 
brother-in-law, a tenured full professor of history.

End of lecture.  *THINK*

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#198016

On 07/22/2018 03:06 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 07/22/2018 10:04 AM, cyaiplexys wrote:
>> On 07/21/2018 09:43 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>
>> Best wishes to you as well. I hope that I'm still playing around with 
>> this stuff at that age. I remember taking an online C++ course years 
>> ago and there was another student in the class that was 92. He was 
>> taking the course to help him stave off Alzheimer's! He did really 
>> good too. As for me, I got a 100% on my final exam. And here I am 
>> still not great at C or C++. No I didn't cheat. Brain cells up and 
>> aged on me since then!
> 
> <memory lane time>
> The summer between my high school junior and senior years I had the 
> opportunity to take a college level physics course. One of my classmates 
> was positively elderly, being older than my parents - twas 70+ ;/
> 
> More seriously, for benefit of lurking "young whipper-snappers", stay 
> physically *AND* mentally active. My mother, who got her RN in the 20's, 
> did volunteer work at the Church Home and with social services outreach 
> to children into her 90's. That kept her physically/socially active. As 
> to mentally acuity, she pursued crossword puzzles, challenging my 
> brother-in-law, a tenured full professor of history.
> 
> End of lecture.  *THINK*

I will take that advice to heart seriously. To you, I'm still a "young 
whipper-snapper" even at my age. :) I agree that keeping one's mind 
occupied keeps it sharp. Which is another reason I'll always be 
programming *something*. Back in the day I would try to learn everything 
about computers that I could. Even some rather odd and esoteric 
languages (like Liberty Basic and another not at all well known language 
called "euphoria" 
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphoria_(programming_language) way back 
when it first came out. That was a very interesting experience to say 
the least!

Ironically I never even tried Fortran, Cobol or Lisp. There's a good 
many out there I never even tried (yet, still).

Now I seem to be rather stuck to Python like I was with Visual Basic. 
Python is portable as well and with cython, one can compile to a binary 
(though I don't really do that with 99.999% of my Python scripts).

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#197884

cyaiplexys wrote:
...
> That's the one cool thing about this group and groups like it is the 
> conversations where you learn a little bit about those folks in the 
> group in between learning other useful things. Reminds me of the old 
> FidoNet days (and later newsgroup days - do they still even have either 
> anymore??)

  how do you think i'm reading/writing here?  via usenet 
and gmane.  :)

  i'm more often on the gardening group these days.

  my history with computers starts about 1978 and then
15yrs of nothing but computers at the university.  my
degree was computer science and i also worked as a
programmer, then i was project lead and then systems
programmer and did all sorts of things during a
conversion from the mainframe to the mini-computer
system.  also worked on a MS degree but never finished
it.

  i semi-retired about when the internet was just
taking off (in the mid-90s).  haven't worked much
since then, but did some months of being a computer
operator for a local business until i realized that
working two jobs was crazy, so i went back to the
part-time library job only until i quit that too.

  some years later i still like tinkering at times
but it hasn't been until this spring i finally got a
new enough machine to be interesting in working on
a project of my own.  so i can learn python bits at
a time.  after learning so many computer languages
picking up another one is just not that interesting
any longer so i have to have some project which is
also interesting enough to keep me poking along.

  with the gardening season being here i only have
time once in a while when it rains or i'm taking a
break from the heat.


  songbird

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#197901

On 07/22/2018 09:06 AM, songbird wrote:
> cyaiplexys wrote:
> ...
>> That's the one cool thing about this group and groups like it is the
>> conversations where you learn a little bit about those folks in the
>> group in between learning other useful things. Reminds me of the old
>> FidoNet days (and later newsgroup days - do they still even have either
>> anymore??)
> 
>    how do you think i'm reading/writing here?  via usenet
> and gmane.  :)
> 
>    i'm more often on the gardening group these days.

I am reading these directly in Thunderbird as the posts get emailed to 
me. Since I normally just subscribe to the email lists, I don't even see 
the newsgroups anymore. Haven't been on one in years.

>    my history with computers starts about 1978 and then
> 15yrs of nothing but computers at the university.  my
> degree was computer science and i also worked as a
> programmer, then i was project lead and then systems
> programmer and did all sorts of things during a
> conversion from the mainframe to the mini-computer
> system.  also worked on a MS degree but never finished
> it.
> 
>    i semi-retired about when the internet was just
> taking off (in the mid-90s).  haven't worked much
> since then, but did some months of being a computer
> operator for a local business until i realized that
> working two jobs was crazy, so i went back to the
> part-time library job only until i quit that too.

I am semi-retired since last June (been a year already, time flies). I 
still work from home part time for a mom & pop web hosting company I've 
worked at for almost 15 years. It's a fun job (and sometimes a little 
challenging but not in a bad way). Keeps my brain cells from decaying 
too fast, I guess. :)

>    some years later i still like tinkering at times
> but it hasn't been until this spring i finally got a
> new enough machine to be interesting in working on
> a project of my own.  so i can learn python bits at
> a time.  after learning so many computer languages
> picking up another one is just not that interesting
> any longer so i have to have some project which is
> also interesting enough to keep me poking along.

I think I can understand at some point. Though I don't have any "new" 
machines. My ThinkPad T61 I got back in 2007 and the main machine (an HP 
g7 2010nr 17" laptop) is at least half that age. Both have been through 
upgrades and repairs. I have the ThinkPad on my work table getting ready 
to replace the fan. I already replaced the CPU in that one to a 2.x GHz 
and upgraded the RAM to the max 4GB. I run Debian Stretch on both (with 
KDE desktop) and for work and other things I use VirtualBox virtual 
machines for testing things. Both work quite well for what I need to do. 
I don't have any need for heavy graphics or video processing and don't 
play games on them. So an old system works good enough.

>    with the gardening season being here i only have
> time once in a while when it rains or i'm taking a
> break from the heat.
> 
> 
>    songbird

It's been one hot summer, too! I used to do gardening too but my health 
took more of a nose dive and can't really do that anymore. I do love 
nature though. It's a nice break from computers and tech. Variety is the 
spice of life!

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#197861

On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 12:20:25PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 21 July 2018 11:42:31 Richard Owlett wrote:
> 
> > When I'm "ignorant" and know it, I refer to myself as a "newbie".
> > My first contact with Linux was when Squeeze was just introduced.
> > I've been around computers for a while [remember 12AX7 based CPU's?].

> I started with the rca 1802. Still an interesting architecture, one that 
> was able to function in several rads a minute of atomic radiation. But I 
> tried the z-80, found it wanting, then the 6809 which put me firmly on a 
> unix like path, and to this day I still don't have a winders box on the 
> premises.

Yesterday, this one time, I was winding some wire on a winder
machine, or rather, contraption. This of course made me a wire
winder.

So then I was wondering why having a box containing such a "machine"
used by someone doing something so glorious as wire winderering, and
thus referring to said winders machine box, was so notable.

Then I read your next sentence.

> Quite a few linux machines though.

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#197854

On 07/21/2018 11:42 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> When I'm "ignorant" and know it, I refer to myself as a "newbie".
> My first contact with Linux was when Squeeze was just introduced.
> I've been around computers for a while [remember 12AX7 based CPU's?]. As 
> a BSEE student 50+ years ago I took an introductory programming course. 
> Later I programmed in 8080 assembler - at the time we were moving to 
> 8085. As a consumer I ended up in the M$ land.
> 
> So, how would this group have me to refer to myself without claiming 
> competency I just *DO NOT* have?

Wizard. With that many years of experience in computers in general, I 
think you earned at least that much. Actually, IMHO the answer should be 
"Whatever the hell you want to call yourself." :) IOW, it's entirely up 
to you.

If you are trying to find a label that everyone can understand you by, 
well, I don't know if labels really work that well since many people 
have many views on what a certain label even means.

What I do is try to briefly mention (if it's even necessary) that I have 
a lot of experience using Linux but am stumped on a certain problem as I 
don't often deal with that situation. No harm in that, I think. After 
all, Linux stuff is so vast that not everyone can know every single 
thing about it. Thus why we have these groups. :)

I've been programming for 35+ years myself. And been there when dial-up 
BBSs were a thing (I am sure you remember those) even before there was 
such a thing as "Internet".

> P.S. I've saved ~6 years of useful posts from this group. I've been 
> trying to figure out how to organize it in order to create a QWSBFA 
> rather than a FAQ. QWSBFA=="Questions Which Should Be Frequently Asked" ;/
> 
> OWL ducks fer cover ;}

I assume you mean for your own computer (since anyone can use Google to 
search the lists).

Try CherryTree. I use that program for everything. It's cross-platform. 
I download it from the web site instead of using the version in the 
Debian Repo as the latest version fixes some annoying bugs (of which I 
kinda forgot what but would quickly be reminded if I used the repo version).

I think that would be useful for categorizing questions and you can even 
search through them. If you want to save to PDF or HTML, it can export 
to those formats as well.

I've used CherryTree for everything from keeping code snippets to 
installation instructions to writing up tutorials (and exporting to HTML).

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#197863

On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 05:46:25PM -0400, cyaiplexys wrote:
> On 07/21/2018 11:42 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > When I'm "ignorant" and know it, I refer to myself as a "newbie".
> > My first contact with Linux was when Squeeze was just introduced.
> > I've been around computers for a while [remember 12AX7 based CPU's?]. As a
> > BSEE student 50+ years ago I took an introductory programming course.
> > Later I programmed in 8080 assembler - at the time we were moving to 8085.
> > As a consumer I ended up in the M$ land.
> > 
> > So, how would this group have me to refer to myself without claiming
> > competency I just *DO NOT* have?
> 
> Wizard. With that many years of experience in computers in general, I think
> you earned at least that much. Actually, IMHO the answer should be "Whatever
> the hell you want to call yourself." :) IOW, it's entirely up to you.

As long as it's me deciding, you can call yourself whatever you want
to call yourself.

Of course, "whatever you want to call yourself" is a little bit
cumbersome really, so I don't think I'd even use that one...

Personally I prefer a little subtlety, for example for myself it's
"The Gobsmackingly Humble One", but so as to not over do it, I add a
tagline like "So humble, the Dalai Llama rushes to attend his
humility classes" (since a little self deprecation can go a long
way).

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#197873

On 07/21/2018 04:46 PM, cyaiplexys wrote:
> On 07/21/2018 11:42 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> When I'm "ignorant" and know it, I refer to myself as a "newbie".
>> My first contact with Linux was when Squeeze was just introduced.
>> I've been around computers for a while [remember 12AX7 based CPU's?]. 
>> As a BSEE student 50+ years ago I took an introductory programming 
>> course. Later I programmed in 8080 assembler - at the time we were 
>> moving to 8085. As a consumer I ended up in the M$ land.
>>
>> So, how would this group have me to refer to myself without claiming 
>> competency I just *DO NOT* have?
> 
> Wizard. With that many years of experience in computers in general,

Let's say I and computers have crossed paths a number of times. The only 
time I was hired for my computer competency ended in %$$%^&( ! ;/
When I did 8080 assembler, I was hired for my experience with low 
frequency millivolt signals and a project needed someone who wasn't 
awestruck by computers.

> I think you earned at least that much. Actually, IMHO the answer should be 
> "Whatever the hell you want to call yourself." :) IOW, it's entirely up 
> to you.
> 
> If you are trying to find a label that everyone can understand you by, 
> well, I don't know if labels really work that well since many people 
> have many views on what a certain label even means.

It's not so much I'm looking for a label me, rather as a flag that the 
question is one a newbie would ask. I ask it because I'm missing some 
factoid that "everybody knows" but not I.

> 
> What I do is try to briefly mention (if it's even necessary) that I have 
> a lot of experience using Linux but am stumped on a certain problem as I 
> don't often deal with that situation. No harm in that, I think. After 
> all, Linux stuff is so vast that not everyone can know every single 
> thing about it. Thus why we have these groups. :)
> 
> I've been programming for 35+ years myself. And been there when dial-up 
> BBSs were a thing (I am sure you remember those) even before there was 
> such a thing as "Internet".
> 
>> P.S. I've saved ~6 years of useful posts from this group. I've been 
>> trying to figure out how to organize it in order to create a QWSBFA 
>> rather than a FAQ. QWSBFA=="Questions Which Should Be Frequently 
>> Asked" ;/
>>
>> OWL ducks fer cover ;}
> 
> I assume you mean for your own computer (since anyone can use Google to 
> search the lists).

Yes. Originally I saved them locally as a convenience - was on dial-up. 
Now, using SeaMonkey, I have a choice of tagging a post with a choice of 
 >30 tags (some times with multiple tags).

> 
> Try CherryTree. I use that program for everything. It's cross-platform. 
> I download it from the web site instead of using the version in the 
> Debian Repo as the latest version fixes some annoying bugs (of which I 
> kinda forgot what but would quickly be reminded if I used the repo 
> version).

I browsed its manual then installed the version in the Debian Repo. It 
should address two problems:
   1. finding relevant posts.
   2. organizing my bookmarks folder. Like Topsy it just grew.
> 
> I think that would be useful for categorizing questions and you can even 
> search through them. If you want to save to PDF or HTML, it can export 
> to those formats as well.
> 
> I've used CherryTree for everything from keeping code snippets to 
> installation instructions to writing up tutorials (and exporting to HTML).

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#197899

On 07/22/2018 04:07 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 07/21/2018 04:46 PM, cyaiplexys wrote:
>> On 07/21/2018 11:42 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> When I'm "ignorant" and know it, I refer to myself as a "newbie".
>>> My first contact with Linux was when Squeeze was just introduced.
>>> I've been around computers for a while [remember 12AX7 based CPU's?]. 
>>> As a BSEE student 50+ years ago I took an introductory programming 
>>> course. Later I programmed in 8080 assembler - at the time we were 
>>> moving to 8085. As a consumer I ended up in the M$ land.
>>>
>>> So, how would this group have me to refer to myself without claiming 
>>> competency I just *DO NOT* have?
>>
>> Wizard. With that many years of experience in computers in general,
> 
> Let's say I and computers have crossed paths a number of times. The only 
> time I was hired for my computer competency ended in %$$%^&( ! ;/
> When I did 8080 assembler, I was hired for my experience with low 
> frequency millivolt signals and a project needed someone who wasn't 
> awestruck by computers.
> 
>> I think you earned at least that much. Actually, IMHO the answer 
>> should be "Whatever the hell you want to call yourself." :) IOW, it's 
>> entirely up to you.
>>
>> If you are trying to find a label that everyone can understand you by, 
>> well, I don't know if labels really work that well since many people 
>> have many views on what a certain label even means.
> 
> It's not so much I'm looking for a label me, rather as a flag that the 
> question is one a newbie would ask. I ask it because I'm missing some 
> factoid that "everybody knows" but not I.

Well, a simple statement to the effect of "I am good with computers but 
this is one topic I'm not familiar with." type thing should do the 
trick, I would think. Or "I just started learning about this subject..."

>>
>> What I do is try to briefly mention (if it's even necessary) that I 
>> have a lot of experience using Linux but am stumped on a certain 
>> problem as I don't often deal with that situation. No harm in that, I 
>> think. After all, Linux stuff is so vast that not everyone can know 
>> every single thing about it. Thus why we have these groups. :)
>>
>> I've been programming for 35+ years myself. And been there when 
>> dial-up BBSs were a thing (I am sure you remember those) even before 
>> there was such a thing as "Internet".
>>
>>> P.S. I've saved ~6 years of useful posts from this group. I've been 
>>> trying to figure out how to organize it in order to create a QWSBFA 
>>> rather than a FAQ. QWSBFA=="Questions Which Should Be Frequently 
>>> Asked" ;/
>>>
>>> OWL ducks fer cover ;}
>>
>> I assume you mean for your own computer (since anyone can use Google 
>> to search the lists).
> 
> Yes. Originally I saved them locally as a convenience - was on dial-up. 
> Now, using SeaMonkey, I have a choice of tagging a post with a choice of 
>  >30 tags (some times with multiple tags).

I use Thunderbird (which has the same feature) so I think I know where 
you're coming from. I do that with things too and then I eventually go 
through my Archives folder (where I place those tagged items) and get 
them moved off to my CherryTree notes or links.

>> Try CherryTree. I use that program for everything. It's 
>> cross-platform. I download it from the web site instead of using the 
>> version in the Debian Repo as the latest version fixes some annoying 
>> bugs (of which I kinda forgot what but would quickly be reminded if I 
>> used the repo version).
> 
> I browsed its manual then installed the version in the Debian Repo. It 
> should address two problems:
>    1. finding relevant posts.
>    2. organizing my bookmarks folder. Like Topsy it just grew.

I think as long as you don't need it for code snippets, you should be 
OK. But the newer version may have new useful features. It depends on 
what you need. I think one annoyance was the background color on the 
code snippets. I keep a LOT of code snippets in various languages 
(especially for work).

>> I think that would be useful for categorizing questions and you can 
>> even search through them. If you want to save to PDF or HTML, it can 
>> export to those formats as well.
>>
>> I've used CherryTree for everything from keeping code snippets to 
>> installation instructions to writing up tutorials (and exporting to 
>> HTML).

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#197952

On 07/22/2018 10:10 AM, cyaiplexys wrote:
> On 07/22/2018 04:07 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> [snip]
>>>
>>> I assume you mean for your own computer (since anyone can use Google 
>>> to search the lists).
>>
>> Yes. Originally I saved them locally as a convenience - was on 
>> dial-up. Now, using SeaMonkey, I have a choice of tagging a post with 
>> a choice of  >30 tags (some times with multiple tags).
> 
> I use Thunderbird (which has the same feature) so I think I know where 
> you're coming from. I do that with things too and then I eventually go 
> through my Archives folder (where I place those tagged items) and get 
> them moved off to my CherryTree notes or links.

I've ~1300 posts copied to a folder.
How do access their content from cherrytree?
I assume you import it somehow.

Loosely related, any suggestions for accessing SeaMonkey bookmarks (JSON 
format) with cherrytree?

TIA

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#198240 — CherryTree - was [Re: If not "newbie" then ????]

On 07/22/2018 03:07 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 07/21/2018 04:46 PM, cyaiplexys wrote:
[snip]
>>
>> Try CherryTree. I use that program for everything. It's 
>> cross-platform. I download it from the web site instead of using the 
>> version in the Debian Repo as the latest version fixes some annoying 
>> bugs (of which I kinda forgot what but would quickly be reminded if I 
>> used the repo version).
> 
> I browsed its manual then installed the version in the Debian Repo. It 
> should address two problems:
>    1. finding relevant posts.
>    2. organizing my bookmarks folder. Like Topsy it just grew.

Is there a mailing list or USENET group where discussion of CherryTree 
would be on-topic?

I've found [http://www.giuspen.com/forums/] but have never found web 
fora usable.

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#198241 — Re: CherryTree - was [Re: If not "newbie" then ????]

On Sat 04 Aug 2018 at 05:20:29 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

> On 07/22/2018 03:07 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > On 07/21/2018 04:46 PM, cyaiplexys wrote:
> [snip]
> > > 
> > > Try CherryTree. I use that program for everything. It's
> > > cross-platform. I download it from the web site instead of using the
> > > version in the Debian Repo as the latest version fixes some annoying
> > > bugs (of which I kinda forgot what but would quickly be reminded if
> > > I used the repo version).
> > 
> > I browsed its manual then installed the version in the Debian Repo. It
> > should address two problems:
> >    1. finding relevant posts.
> >    2. organizing my bookmarks folder. Like Topsy it just grew.
> 
> Is there a mailing list or USENET group where discussion of CherryTree would
> be on-topic?
> 
> I've found [http://www.giuspen.com/forums/] but have never found web fora
> usable.

>From the link you give:

  cherrytree

  This forum contains 662 topics and 2,280 replies, and was last
  updated by Klaas Vaak 5 hours, 4 minutes ago.

The forum appears alive and active. Lots to read.

Sometimes one has to compromise, adjust and fit into what is available.

-- 
Brian.

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#198242 — Re: CherryTree - was [Re: If not "newbie" then ????]

On 08/04/2018 05:43 AM, Brian wrote:
> On Sat 04 Aug 2018 at 05:20:29 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> 
>> On 07/22/2018 03:07 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> On 07/21/2018 04:46 PM, cyaiplexys wrote:
>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>> Try CherryTree. I use that program for everything. It's
>>>> cross-platform. I download it from the web site instead of using the
>>>> version in the Debian Repo as the latest version fixes some annoying
>>>> bugs (of which I kinda forgot what but would quickly be reminded if
>>>> I used the repo version).
>>>
>>> I browsed its manual then installed the version in the Debian Repo. It
>>> should address two problems:
>>>     1. finding relevant posts.
>>>     2. organizing my bookmarks folder. Like Topsy it just grew.
>>
>> Is there a mailing list or USENET group where discussion of CherryTree would
>> be on-topic?
>>
>> I've found [http://www.giuspen.com/forums/] but have never found web fora
>> usable.
> 
>>From the link you give:
> 
>    cherrytree
> 
>    This forum contains 662 topics and 2,280 replies, and was last
>    updated by Klaas Vaak 5 hours, 4 minutes ago.
> 
> The forum appears alive and active. Lots to read.

TRY *READING* before responding!!!

> 
> Sometimes one has to compromise, adjust and fit into what is available.

Quantity is NOT everything. NOTE BENE the last word of my post.
Apparently your only possible ON-TOPIC response you could have been to 
admit you didn't know.

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#198244 — Re: CherryTree - was [Re: If not "newbie" then ????]

On Sat 04 Aug 2018 at 05:50:24 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

> On 08/04/2018 05:43 AM, Brian wrote:
> > On Sat 04 Aug 2018 at 05:20:29 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > 
> > > On 07/22/2018 03:07 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > > On 07/21/2018 04:46 PM, cyaiplexys wrote:
> > > [snip]
> > > > > 
> > > > > Try CherryTree. I use that program for everything. It's
> > > > > cross-platform. I download it from the web site instead of using the
> > > > > version in the Debian Repo as the latest version fixes some annoying
> > > > > bugs (of which I kinda forgot what but would quickly be reminded if
> > > > > I used the repo version).
> > > > 
> > > > I browsed its manual then installed the version in the Debian Repo. It
> > > > should address two problems:
> > > >     1. finding relevant posts.
> > > >     2. organizing my bookmarks folder. Like Topsy it just grew.
> > > 
> > > Is there a mailing list or USENET group where discussion of CherryTree would
> > > be on-topic?
> > > 
> > > I've found [http://www.giuspen.com/forums/] but have never found web fora
> > > usable.
> > 
> > > From the link you give:
> > 
> >    cherrytree
> > 
> >    This forum contains 662 topics and 2,280 replies, and was last
> >    updated by Klaas Vaak 5 hours, 4 minutes ago.
> > 
> > The forum appears alive and active. Lots to read.
> 
> TRY *READING* before responding!!!

I did; that's why I gave the response I posted.
 
> > Sometimes one has to compromise, adjust and fit into what is available.
> 
> Quantity is NOT everything. NOTE BENE the last word of my post.

Never mind the quality, feel the width.

> Apparently your only possible ON-TOPIC response you could have been to admit
> you didn't know.

I didn't even look. I assume your search skills as at least as good as
mine. You didn't find anything - why should I?

-- 
Brian.

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