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| Started by | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| First post | 2018-07-21 17:50 +0200 |
| Last post | 2018-07-22 14:50 +0200 |
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If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-07-21 17:50 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-07-21 18:30 +0200
Re: Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-22 00:20 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-07-22 03:50 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-22 17:10 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ??? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-07-22 18:10 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-07-22 21:10 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-26 14:20 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ???? songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2018-07-22 15:10 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-22 17:30 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-07-22 03:40 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-22 00:10 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-07-22 04:10 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-07-22 10:10 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-22 17:20 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-07-24 11:40 +0200
CherryTree - was [Re: If not "newbie" then ????] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-04 12:30 +0200
Re: CherryTree - was [Re: If not "newbie" then ????] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-08-04 12:50 +0200
Re: CherryTree - was [Re: If not "newbie" then ????] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-04 13:00 +0200
Re: CherryTree - was [Re: If not "newbie" then ????] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-08-04 13:10 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-07-22 14:20 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-07-22 15:10 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-22 17:20 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-22 17:20 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-05 14:50 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ???? songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2018-08-06 05:30 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-06 15:30 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-06 16:50 +0200
Searching and organizing emails (Re: If not "newbie" then ????) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 16:40 +0200
Re: Searching and organizing emails (Re: If not "newbie" then ????) Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-23 18:40 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-07-22 12:30 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2018-07-22 12:40 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-07-23 10:30 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2018-07-23 11:20 +0200
Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-26 14:30 +0200
Survival Notes [Was: Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2018-07-22 14:20 +0200
Re: Survival Notes [Was: Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-07-22 14:50 +0200
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2018-07-22 14:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <welvb-1ax-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #197854 |
On 07/21/2018 04:46 PM, cyaiplexys wrote: > > Try CherryTree. I use that program for everything. It's cross-platform. > I download it from the web site instead of using the version in the > Debian Repo as the latest version fixes some annoying bugs (of which I > kinda forgot what but would quickly be reminded if I used the repo > version). Think I found that bug. The preferences dialog, which not match the online manual, does not have a means to adjust the font size :< Now to see if I can recall how to install a downloaded.deb . Done it once or twice.
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2018-07-22 15:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wemhA-1IM-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #197880 |
On 07/22/2018 07:14 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 07/21/2018 04:46 PM, cyaiplexys wrote: >> >> Try CherryTree. I use that program for everything. It's >> cross-platform. I download it from the web site instead of using the >> version in the Debian Repo as the latest version fixes some annoying >> bugs (of which I kinda forgot what but would quickly be reminded if I >> used the repo version). > > Think I found that bug. > The preferences dialog, which not match the online manual, does not have > a means to adjust the font size :< > > Now to see if I can recall how to install a downloaded.deb . Done it > once or twice. "dpkg -i" to the rescue. I now have readable fonts. However when doing the install it gives 2 strange lines. Don't know if significant: . . Processing triggers for shared-mime-info (1.8-1) ... Unknown media type in type 'all/all' <------- Unknown media type in type 'all/allfiles' <------- Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme (0.15-1) ... . . .
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| From | cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> |
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| Date | 2018-07-22 17:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <weojn-34U-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #197885 |
On 07/22/2018 09:00 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 07/22/2018 07:14 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: >> On 07/21/2018 04:46 PM, cyaiplexys wrote: >>> >>> Try CherryTree. I use that program for everything. It's >>> cross-platform. I download it from the web site instead of using the >>> version in the Debian Repo as the latest version fixes some annoying >>> bugs (of which I kinda forgot what but would quickly be reminded if I >>> used the repo version). >> >> Think I found that bug. >> The preferences dialog, which not match the online manual, does not >> have a means to adjust the font size :< >> >> Now to see if I can recall how to install a downloaded.deb . Done it >> once or twice. > > "dpkg -i" to the rescue. I need to start learning to read ALL posts before responding, and I'd have sen you already figured it out. :) > I now have readable fonts. > However when doing the install it gives 2 strange lines. > Don't know if significant: > . > . > Processing triggers for shared-mime-info (1.8-1) ... > Unknown media type in type 'all/all' <------- > Unknown media type in type 'all/allfiles' <------- > Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme (0.15-1) ... Those can be safely ignored, no problem. I get that all the time too ever since I started using Debian 7 I think it was (I used other distros like SolydKX and Ubuntu and those also do the same thing at times.)
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| From | cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> |
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| Date | 2018-07-22 17:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <weojo-34U-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #197880 |
On 07/22/2018 08:14 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 07/21/2018 04:46 PM, cyaiplexys wrote: >> >> Try CherryTree. I use that program for everything. It's >> cross-platform. I download it from the web site instead of using the >> version in the Debian Repo as the latest version fixes some annoying >> bugs (of which I kinda forgot what but would quickly be reminded if I >> used the repo version). > > Think I found that bug. > The preferences dialog, which not match the online manual, does not have > a means to adjust the font size :< > > Now to see if I can recall how to install a downloaded.deb . Done it > once or twice. I never adjusted the font size, so I guess I never ran into that bug. But to install a debian, I use Gdebi GTK version (even though I use KDE) but you can do that from the command line as well with dpkg: $ sudo dpkg -i [package.deb]
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2018-08-05 14:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wjqDT-66n-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #197854 |
On 07/21/2018 04:46 PM, cyaiplexys wrote: > > Try CherryTree. I use that program for everything. It's cross-platform. > I download it from the web site instead of using the version in the > Debian Repo as the latest version fixes some annoying bugs (of which I > kinda forgot what but would quickly be reminded if I used the repo > version). > > I think that would be useful for categorizing questions and you can even > search through them. If you want to save to PDF or HTML, it can export > to those formats as well. > > I've used CherryTree for everything from keeping code snippets to > installation instructions to writing up tutorials (and exporting to HTML). > I've installed CherryTree 0.38.5 from their site. It can do everything I need *IF* I manually enter all the data. I'm trying to import a large set of SeaMonkey bookmarks (a SQLite file). When using SQLite commands I can create a CSV file with only the information of interest. The CherryTree 0.38.5 manual explicitly states that CSV can be imported. But there is no menu item in the actual program. The CSV has the required information to describe the node/sub-node structure in explicit detail. Suggestions? TIA
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| From | songbird <songbird@anthive.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-06 05:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wjEnv-6xU-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #198297 |
Richard Owlett wrote: > On 07/21/2018 04:46 PM, cyaiplexys wrote: >> >> Try CherryTree. I use that program for everything. It's cross-platform. >> I download it from the web site instead of using the version in the >> Debian Repo as the latest version fixes some annoying bugs (of which I >> kinda forgot what but would quickly be reminded if I used the repo >> version). >> >> I think that would be useful for categorizing questions and you can even >> search through them. If you want to save to PDF or HTML, it can export >> to those formats as well. >> >> I've used CherryTree for everything from keeping code snippets to >> installation instructions to writing up tutorials (and exporting to HTML). >> > > I've installed CherryTree 0.38.5 from their site. > It can do everything I need *IF* I manually enter all the data. > > I'm trying to import a large set of SeaMonkey bookmarks (a SQLite file). > When using SQLite commands I can create a CSV file with only the > information of interest. > > The CherryTree 0.38.5 manual explicitly states that CSV can be imported. > But there is no menu item in the actual program. > > The CSV has the required information to describe the node/sub-node > structure in explicit detail. > > Suggestions? learn how to search? i found this within a few seconds: http://giuspen.com/cherrytreemanual/Inserting_Objects--From_the_Toolbar--Tables.html seems simple enough... songbird
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2018-08-06 15:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wjNKa-3Of-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #198308 |
On 08/05/2018 10:28 PM, songbird wrote:
> Richard Owlett wrote:
>> On 07/21/2018 04:46 PM, cyaiplexys wrote:
>>>
>>> Try CherryTree. I use that program for everything. It's cross-platform.
>>> I download it from the web site instead of using the version in the
>>> Debian Repo as the latest version fixes some annoying bugs (of which I
>>> kinda forgot what but would quickly be reminded if I used the repo
>>> version).
>>>
>>> I think that would be useful for categorizing questions and you can even
>>> search through them. If you want to save to PDF or HTML, it can export
>>> to those formats as well.
>>>
>>> I've used CherryTree for everything from keeping code snippets to
>>> installation instructions to writing up tutorials (and exporting to HTML).
>>>
>>
>> I've installed CherryTree 0.38.5 from their site.
>> It can do everything I need *IF* I manually enter all the data.
>>
>> I'm trying to import a large set of SeaMonkey bookmarks (a SQLite file).
>> When using SQLite commands I can create a CSV file with only the
>> information of interest.
>>
>> The CherryTree 0.38.5 manual explicitly states that CSV can be imported.
>> But there is no menu item in the actual program.
>>
>> The CSV has the required information to describe the node/sub-node
>> structure in explicit detail.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>
> learn how to search?
>
> i found this within a few seconds:
>
> http://giuspen.com/cherrytreemanual/Inserting_Objects--From_the_Toolbar--Tables.html
>
> seems simple enough...
>
In this case my search skills were adequate.
My reading skills however? <groan> ;{
I wasn't interested in a "table" per se.
The CSV file has all the information required for a CherryTree
hierarchical file. So I had assumed (wrongly) that there was a CSV to
ctb format conversion. Also a closer look demonstrated misunderstanding
of how SeaMonkey handles it's data internally and why the JSON file has
some features I found annoying. But, along with a hint from an unrelated
thread, *MY* problem may be tractable.
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2018-08-06 16:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wjOZz-4vm-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #198327 |
On 08/06/2018 08:19 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 08/05/2018 10:28 PM, songbird wrote:
>> Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> On 07/21/2018 04:46 PM, cyaiplexys wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Try CherryTree. I use that program for everything. It's cross-platform.
>>>> I download it from the web site instead of using the version in the
>>>> Debian Repo as the latest version fixes some annoying bugs (of which I
>>>> kinda forgot what but would quickly be reminded if I used the repo
>>>> version).
>>>>
>>>> I think that would be useful for categorizing questions and you can
>>>> even
>>>> search through them. If you want to save to PDF or HTML, it can export
>>>> to those formats as well.
>>>>
>>>> I've used CherryTree for everything from keeping code snippets to
>>>> installation instructions to writing up tutorials (and exporting to
>>>> HTML).
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've installed CherryTree 0.38.5 from their site.
>>> It can do everything I need *IF* I manually enter all the data.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to import a large set of SeaMonkey bookmarks (a SQLite file).
>>> When using SQLite commands I can create a CSV file with only the
>>> information of interest.
>>>
>>> The CherryTree 0.38.5 manual explicitly states that CSV can be imported.
>>> But there is no menu item in the actual program.
>>>
>>> The CSV has the required information to describe the node/sub-node
>>> structure in explicit detail.
>>>
>>> Suggestions?
>>
>> learn how to search?
>>
>> i found this within a few seconds:
>>
>>
>> http://giuspen.com/cherrytreemanual/Inserting_Objects--From_the_Toolbar--Tables.html
>>
>>
>> seems simple enough...
>>
>
> In this case my search skills were adequate.
> My reading skills however? <groan> ;{
>
> I wasn't interested in a "table" per se.
> The CSV file has all the information required for a CherryTree
> hierarchical file. So I had assumed (wrongly) that there was a CSV to
> ctb format conversion. Also a closer look demonstrated misunderstanding
> of how SeaMonkey handles it's data internally and why the JSON file has
> some features I found annoying. But, along with a hint from an unrelated
> thread, *MY* problem may be tractable.
My cage has been beneficently rattled ;}
The JSON file exported by SeaMonkey has too much of no interest.
I had given up on working with JSON data directly.
I did a web search for the combination of "sql" and "json".
That led to jq [https://stedolan.github.io/jq/] which led to a slightly
different search with Synaptic. That led to "SQLite ODBC Driver"
[http://www.ch-werner.de/sqliteodbc/].
I've not laid out the intermediate steps in detail.
However something like this seems possible:
1. Export SeaMonkey bookmarks in JSON format.
2. Clean it with jq.
3. Use some tool/script to emit CSV.
4. Edit with spreadsheet of choice, emitting CSV.
5. Create JSON file acceptable to SeaMonkey.
[That may require creating dummy data for items disposed of in #2.]
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-08-23 16:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Searching and organizing emails (Re: If not "newbie" then ????) |
| Message-ID | <wpYWe-5bR-23@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #198329 |
On Monday, August 06, 2018 10:41:48 AM Richard Owlett wrote: I don't remember what he wrote, but, at one point, I got the idea he had a lot of posts (emails, I presume) that he wanted to be able to search. And maybe organize / index. I have used recol for purposes like that--it can index and do full text searches on, among other things, mbox files. (And, for my (attempt at) an askSam workalike, I organize other data into mbox files for easy manipulation by various tools: editors with syntax highlighting and folding capabilities, email clients, sorting utilities, ...) My attempt at an askSam workalike works reasonably well for me, but is not ready for distribution.
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2018-08-23 18:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Searching and organizing emails (Re: If not "newbie" then ????) |
| Message-ID | <wq0Ol-6i8-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #199281 |
On 08/23/2018 09:29 AM, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, August 06, 2018 10:41:48 AM Richard Owlett wrote: > > I don't remember what he wrote, but, at one point, I got the idea he had a lot > of posts (emails, I presume) that he wanted to be able to search. And maybe > organize / index. Yes and Yes. > > I have used recol for purposes like that--it can index and do full text > searches on, among other things, mbox files. Just took a quick look at website. Worth a closer look. > > (And, for my (attempt at) an askSam workalike, I organize other data into mbox > files for easy manipulation by various tools: editors with syntax highlighting > and folding capabilities, email clients, sorting utilities, ...) The Wikipedia entry hints at interesting. > > My attempt at an askSam workalike works reasonably well for me, but is not > ready for distribution. > Someone pointed me to CherryTree. It will do nicely for a loosely related task. I'm working on extracting what I'm interested in from SeaMonkey bookmarks. Email will be a while.
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| From | Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> |
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| Date | 2018-07-22 12:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wejMJ-8qa-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #197848 |
I'd say "old skool" (affectionately) would do. ;-)
eric
PS - my background is of similar vintage: Amdahl 470 (MTS), PDP 11/x
(various) with various DEC OS I cannot remember & Unix, TRS-80
Model I, Motorola 68k w/Unix v7, IBM PC, TRS Model 100 (loved this
one), VAX 11/780 (BSD), Atari ST, Sun 3 (SunOS), SparcStation
(Solaris), and then a whole host of PCs running Linux since 1992.
--
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50 & org 9.1.13 on Debian buster/sid
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| From | Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-22 12:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wejWp-8ur-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #197876 |
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On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 05:26 Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> wrote: > I'd say "old skool" (affectionately) would do. ;-) Sounds like there are a lot of fellow travelers here. If you lean more towards loving programming as I do (started in FORTRAN IV in 1961), you might check out the new world of Perl 6 (https://perl6.org) and join a nice group of people who will appreciate your help in fixing bugs, improving documentation, and leaving a legacy 100-year programming language for your descendants. Best regards, -Tom
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| From | Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> |
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| Date | 2018-07-23 10:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <weEoa-5ps-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #197877 |
On Sunday, 22 Jul 2018 at 05:39, Tom Browder wrote: > Sounds like there are a lot of fellow travelers here. If you lean > more towards loving programming as I do (started in FORTRAN IV in > 1961), you might check out the new world of Perl 6 (https://perl6.org) Interesting. I started way back when with FORTRAN 66 and APL but I have moved on to Julia (julialang.org) these days. -- Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50 & org 9.1.13 on Debian buster/sid
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| From | Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> |
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| Date | 2018-07-23 11:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <weFax-5Xi-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #197935 |
On 23.07.18 10:28, Eric S Fraga wrote: > On Sunday, 22 Jul 2018 at 05:39, Tom Browder wrote: > > Sounds like there are a lot of fellow travelers here. If you lean > > more towards loving programming as I do (started in FORTRAN IV in > > 1961), you might check out the new world of Perl 6 (https://perl6.org) > > Interesting. I started way back when with FORTRAN 66 and APL but I have > moved on to Julia (julialang.org) these days. In 1972 we were still submitting FORTRAN IV jobs on Hollerith punched cards, to run on an ICL1901 24-bit mainframe, which half-filled a room with its fridge-sized chain printer and big card reader and disk drives. But the electrical engineering department had its own little HP2100A 16-bit minicomputer, with 16k words of 980 ns ferrite core memory. (Very spiffy stuff, back then.) If you overwrote the punched tape bootloader in the first dozen words or so of RAM, then you had to load it by hand from the frontpanel switch register, word by word, in octal. The three-chip 8080A CPU had become the single-chip 8085 by the time I programmed it, before moving to the 8051 microcontroller, but sprinkling 13 of 'em in a system, 12 mask programmed, so no coding errors permitted, My first home CPU was a TMS9900, which like the COSMAC had 16 x 16 bit registers, but not on-chip. A pointer register set the location of the register workspace in RAM, so that on interrupt or subroutine call, changing one register gave a new set of registers instantly. It also had a barrel shifter, rotating a register any number of bits in a single instruction, optionally controlled by the 4 LSBs of R0. (Magic for computing sine and cos by the CORDIC method.) And it had 16x16 multiply and 32/16 divide. But the contemporary COSMAC was well ahead of its time - a CMOS CPU in 1976. Erik
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| From | cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> |
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| Date | 2018-07-26 14:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <wfNz3-2CI-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #197936 |
This is taking me down a memory lane I don't necessarily have but have heard about! Ah, the early days of computers! On 07/23/2018 05:14 AM, Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 23.07.18 10:28, Eric S Fraga wrote: >> On Sunday, 22 Jul 2018 at 05:39, Tom Browder wrote: >>> Sounds like there are a lot of fellow travelers here. If you lean >>> more towards loving programming as I do (started in FORTRAN IV in >>> 1961), you might check out the new world of Perl 6 (https://perl6.org) >> >> Interesting. I started way back when with FORTRAN 66 and APL but I have >> moved on to Julia (julialang.org) these days. > > In 1972 we were still submitting FORTRAN IV jobs on Hollerith punched > cards, to run on an ICL1901 24-bit mainframe, which half-filled a room > with its fridge-sized chain printer and big card reader and disk drives. > > But the electrical engineering department had its own little HP2100A > 16-bit minicomputer, with 16k words of 980 ns ferrite core memory. (Very > spiffy stuff, back then.) If you overwrote the punched tape bootloader > in the first dozen words or so of RAM, then you had to load it by hand > from the frontpanel switch register, word by word, in octal. > > The three-chip 8080A CPU had become the single-chip 8085 by the time I > programmed it, before moving to the 8051 microcontroller, but sprinkling > 13 of 'em in a system, 12 mask programmed, so no coding errors permitted, > > My first home CPU was a TMS9900, which like the COSMAC had 16 x 16 bit > registers, but not on-chip. A pointer register set the location of the > register workspace in RAM, so that on interrupt or subroutine call, > changing one register gave a new set of registers instantly. It also had > a barrel shifter, rotating a register any number of bits in a single > instruction, optionally controlled by the 4 LSBs of R0. (Magic for > computing sine and cos by the CORDIC method.) And it had 16x16 multiply > and 32/16 divide. > > But the contemporary COSMAC was well ahead of its time - a CMOS CPU in 1976. > > Erik This sounds a lot like a friend of mine who is much older than me, who used punch cards. Luckily I was a teen in the dawn of the microscomputing age. It was mostly cassette tape and for the rich and well off, the 5.25" floppy disk drive. I never encountered punch cards. I bet it was a PITA compared to today. This also reminds me of the old days of assembly language programming on the CoCo 3 (68B09E CPU) using disk EDASAM+ I actually did a good bit of that (pun half intended). Never learned x86 assembly. I'm going to start another thread (much more on Debian topic I hope) about assemblers, as I'm curious about that too. I guess I get curious about everything. See what you guys started? :P
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| From | Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> |
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| Date | 2018-07-22 14:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Survival Notes [Was: Re: If not "newbie" then ???? |
| Message-ID | <welvc-1ax-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #197848 |
On 21.07.18 10:42, Richard Owlett wrote: > P.S. I've saved ~6 years of useful posts from this group. I've been trying > to figure out how to organize it in order to create a QWSBFA rather than a > FAQ. QWSBFA=="Questions Which Should Be Frequently Asked" ;/ There are so many paths that people have trodden, and so many levels of expertise, that survival notes are somewhat individualised, I figure. How best to manage it probably depends on your vintage. Over three decades I've accumulated ~ 420 pages of *nix user & sysadmin, embedded programming, and text munging notes. With folding enabled, Vim presents the single plain text file as one page - the table of contents. Headings are capitalised, and a ':' follows keywords (also capitalised). A search hit automatically unfolds to the fold level required. It's simple, easy to manage, and fast - but most importantly, my fingers know Vim. Stuff from technical lists which doesn't make it to the survival notes, i.e. the few % of posts worth keeping, are sorted on first reading to topic-specific mailboxes. Tonight there are: $ ls -1 mail/* | wc -l 1266 and $ ls -1 mail/cnc* | wc -l 454 are LinuxCNC-related. (Gene's favourite hobby.) Even with automated search, it's a lot easier to look for one keyword in a hundred posts from a single context, than try to make keyword combinations which will fight off out of context hits in a hundred thousand posts. > OWL ducks fer cover ;} Hopefully owl ducks make good cover. Erik
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| From | Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> |
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| Date | 2018-07-22 14:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Survival Notes [Was: Re: If not "newbie" then ???? |
| Message-ID | <welYd-1lR-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #197881 |
On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 10:14:21PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: > > OWL ducks fer cover ;} > > Hopefully owl ducks make good cover. :D Nice. Nothing like dry humour... Love it :) Have a good one,
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