Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]


Groups > linux.debian.user > #197848 > unrolled thread

If not "newbie" then ????

Started byRichard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
First post2018-07-21 17:50 +0200
Last post2018-07-22 14:50 +0200
Articles 17 on this page of 37 — 10 participants

Back to article view | Back to linux.debian.user


Contents

  If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-07-21 17:50 +0200
    Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-07-21 18:30 +0200
      Re: Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-22 00:20 +0200
        Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-07-22 03:50 +0200
          Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-22 17:10 +0200
            Re: If not "newbie" then ??? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-07-22 18:10 +0200
            Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-07-22 21:10 +0200
              Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-26 14:20 +0200
        Re: If not "newbie" then ???? songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2018-07-22 15:10 +0200
          Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-22 17:30 +0200
      Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-07-22 03:40 +0200
    Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-22 00:10 +0200
      Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-07-22 04:10 +0200
      Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-07-22 10:10 +0200
        Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-22 17:20 +0200
          Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-07-24 11:40 +0200
        CherryTree - was [Re: If not "newbie" then ????] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-04 12:30 +0200
          Re: CherryTree - was [Re: If not "newbie" then ????] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-08-04 12:50 +0200
            Re: CherryTree - was [Re: If not "newbie" then ????] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-04 13:00 +0200
              Re: CherryTree - was [Re: If not "newbie" then ????] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-08-04 13:10 +0200
      Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-07-22 14:20 +0200
        Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-07-22 15:10 +0200
          Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-22 17:20 +0200
        Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-22 17:20 +0200
      Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-05 14:50 +0200
        Re: If not "newbie" then ???? songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2018-08-06 05:30 +0200
          Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-06 15:30 +0200
            Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-06 16:50 +0200
              Searching and organizing emails (Re: If not "newbie" then ????) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 16:40 +0200
                Re: Searching and organizing emails (Re: If not "newbie" then ????) Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-23 18:40 +0200
    Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-07-22 12:30 +0200
      Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2018-07-22 12:40 +0200
        Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-07-23 10:30 +0200
          Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2018-07-23 11:20 +0200
            Re: If not "newbie" then ???? cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-07-26 14:30 +0200
    Survival Notes [Was: Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2018-07-22 14:20 +0200
      Re: Survival Notes [Was: Re: If not "newbie" then ???? Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-07-22 14:50 +0200

Page 2 of 2 — ← Prev page 1 [2]


#197880

FromRichard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
Date2018-07-22 14:20 +0200
Message-ID<welvb-1ax-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#197854
On 07/21/2018 04:46 PM, cyaiplexys wrote:
> 
> Try CherryTree. I use that program for everything. It's cross-platform. 
> I download it from the web site instead of using the version in the 
> Debian Repo as the latest version fixes some annoying bugs (of which I 
> kinda forgot what but would quickly be reminded if I used the repo 
> version).

Think I found that bug.
The preferences dialog, which not match the online manual, does not have 
a means to adjust the font size :<

Now to see if I can recall how to install a downloaded.deb . Done it 
once or twice.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#197885

FromRichard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
Date2018-07-22 15:10 +0200
Message-ID<wemhA-1IM-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#197880
On 07/22/2018 07:14 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 07/21/2018 04:46 PM, cyaiplexys wrote:
>>
>> Try CherryTree. I use that program for everything. It's 
>> cross-platform. I download it from the web site instead of using the 
>> version in the Debian Repo as the latest version fixes some annoying 
>> bugs (of which I kinda forgot what but would quickly be reminded if I 
>> used the repo version).
> 
> Think I found that bug.
> The preferences dialog, which not match the online manual, does not have 
> a means to adjust the font size :<
> 
> Now to see if I can recall how to install a downloaded.deb . Done it 
> once or twice.

"dpkg -i" to the rescue.
I now have readable fonts.
However when doing the install it gives 2 strange lines.
Don't know if significant:
.
.
Processing triggers for shared-mime-info (1.8-1) ...
Unknown media type in type 'all/all'			<-------
Unknown media type in type 'all/allfiles'		<-------
Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme (0.15-1) ...
.
.
.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#197895

Fromcyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net>
Date2018-07-22 17:20 +0200
Message-ID<weojn-34U-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#197885
On 07/22/2018 09:00 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 07/22/2018 07:14 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> On 07/21/2018 04:46 PM, cyaiplexys wrote:
>>>
>>> Try CherryTree. I use that program for everything. It's 
>>> cross-platform. I download it from the web site instead of using the 
>>> version in the Debian Repo as the latest version fixes some annoying 
>>> bugs (of which I kinda forgot what but would quickly be reminded if I 
>>> used the repo version).
>>
>> Think I found that bug.
>> The preferences dialog, which not match the online manual, does not 
>> have a means to adjust the font size :<
>>
>> Now to see if I can recall how to install a downloaded.deb . Done it 
>> once or twice.
> 
> "dpkg -i" to the rescue.

I need to start learning to read ALL posts before responding, and I'd 
have sen you already figured it out. :)

> I now have readable fonts.
> However when doing the install it gives 2 strange lines.
> Don't know if significant:
> .
> .
> Processing triggers for shared-mime-info (1.8-1) ...
> Unknown media type in type 'all/all'            <-------
> Unknown media type in type 'all/allfiles'        <-------
> Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme (0.15-1) ...

Those can be safely ignored, no problem. I get that all the time too 
ever since I started using Debian 7 I think it was (I used other distros 
like SolydKX and Ubuntu and those also do the same thing at times.)

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#197898

Fromcyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net>
Date2018-07-22 17:20 +0200
Message-ID<weojo-34U-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#197880
On 07/22/2018 08:14 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 07/21/2018 04:46 PM, cyaiplexys wrote:
>>
>> Try CherryTree. I use that program for everything. It's 
>> cross-platform. I download it from the web site instead of using the 
>> version in the Debian Repo as the latest version fixes some annoying 
>> bugs (of which I kinda forgot what but would quickly be reminded if I 
>> used the repo version).
> 
> Think I found that bug.
> The preferences dialog, which not match the online manual, does not have 
> a means to adjust the font size :<
> 
> Now to see if I can recall how to install a downloaded.deb . Done it 
> once or twice.

I never adjusted the font size, so I guess I never ran into that bug. 
But to install a debian, I use Gdebi GTK version (even though I use KDE) 
but you can do that from the command line as well with dpkg:

$ sudo dpkg -i [package.deb]

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#198297

FromRichard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
Date2018-08-05 14:50 +0200
Message-ID<wjqDT-66n-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#197854
On 07/21/2018 04:46 PM, cyaiplexys wrote:
> 
> Try CherryTree. I use that program for everything. It's cross-platform. 
> I download it from the web site instead of using the version in the 
> Debian Repo as the latest version fixes some annoying bugs (of which I 
> kinda forgot what but would quickly be reminded if I used the repo 
> version).
> 
> I think that would be useful for categorizing questions and you can even 
> search through them. If you want to save to PDF or HTML, it can export 
> to those formats as well.
> 
> I've used CherryTree for everything from keeping code snippets to 
> installation instructions to writing up tutorials (and exporting to HTML).
>

I've installed CherryTree 0.38.5 from their site.
It can do everything I need *IF* I manually enter all the data.

I'm trying to import a large set of SeaMonkey bookmarks (a SQLite file).
When using SQLite commands I can create a CSV file with only the 
information of interest.

The CherryTree 0.38.5 manual explicitly states that CSV can be imported. 
But there is no menu item in the actual program.

The CSV has the required information to describe the node/sub-node 
structure in explicit detail.

Suggestions?
TIA

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#198308

Fromsongbird <songbird@anthive.com>
Date2018-08-06 05:30 +0200
Message-ID<wjEnv-6xU-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#198297
Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 07/21/2018 04:46 PM, cyaiplexys wrote:
>> 
>> Try CherryTree. I use that program for everything. It's cross-platform. 
>> I download it from the web site instead of using the version in the 
>> Debian Repo as the latest version fixes some annoying bugs (of which I 
>> kinda forgot what but would quickly be reminded if I used the repo 
>> version).
>> 
>> I think that would be useful for categorizing questions and you can even 
>> search through them. If you want to save to PDF or HTML, it can export 
>> to those formats as well.
>> 
>> I've used CherryTree for everything from keeping code snippets to 
>> installation instructions to writing up tutorials (and exporting to HTML).
>>
>
> I've installed CherryTree 0.38.5 from their site.
> It can do everything I need *IF* I manually enter all the data.
>
> I'm trying to import a large set of SeaMonkey bookmarks (a SQLite file).
> When using SQLite commands I can create a CSV file with only the 
> information of interest.
>
> The CherryTree 0.38.5 manual explicitly states that CSV can be imported. 
> But there is no menu item in the actual program.
>
> The CSV has the required information to describe the node/sub-node 
> structure in explicit detail.
>
> Suggestions?

  learn how to search?

  i found this within a few seconds:

  http://giuspen.com/cherrytreemanual/Inserting_Objects--From_the_Toolbar--Tables.html

  seems simple enough...


  songbird

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#198327

FromRichard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
Date2018-08-06 15:30 +0200
Message-ID<wjNKa-3Of-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#198308
On 08/05/2018 10:28 PM, songbird wrote:
> Richard Owlett wrote:
>> On 07/21/2018 04:46 PM, cyaiplexys wrote:
>>>
>>> Try CherryTree. I use that program for everything. It's cross-platform.
>>> I download it from the web site instead of using the version in the
>>> Debian Repo as the latest version fixes some annoying bugs (of which I
>>> kinda forgot what but would quickly be reminded if I used the repo
>>> version).
>>>
>>> I think that would be useful for categorizing questions and you can even
>>> search through them. If you want to save to PDF or HTML, it can export
>>> to those formats as well.
>>>
>>> I've used CherryTree for everything from keeping code snippets to
>>> installation instructions to writing up tutorials (and exporting to HTML).
>>>
>>
>> I've installed CherryTree 0.38.5 from their site.
>> It can do everything I need *IF* I manually enter all the data.
>>
>> I'm trying to import a large set of SeaMonkey bookmarks (a SQLite file).
>> When using SQLite commands I can create a CSV file with only the
>> information of interest.
>>
>> The CherryTree 0.38.5 manual explicitly states that CSV can be imported.
>> But there is no menu item in the actual program.
>>
>> The CSV has the required information to describe the node/sub-node
>> structure in explicit detail.
>>
>> Suggestions?
> 
>    learn how to search?
> 
>    i found this within a few seconds:
> 
>    http://giuspen.com/cherrytreemanual/Inserting_Objects--From_the_Toolbar--Tables.html
> 
>    seems simple enough...
> 

In this case my search skills were adequate.
My reading skills however?  <groan> ;{

I wasn't interested in a "table" per se.
The CSV file has all the information required for a CherryTree 
hierarchical file. So I had assumed (wrongly) that there was a CSV to 
ctb format conversion. Also a closer look demonstrated misunderstanding 
of how SeaMonkey handles it's data internally and why the JSON file has 
some features I found annoying. But, along with a hint from an unrelated 
thread, *MY* problem may be tractable.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#198329

FromRichard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
Date2018-08-06 16:50 +0200
Message-ID<wjOZz-4vm-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#198327
On 08/06/2018 08:19 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 08/05/2018 10:28 PM, songbird wrote:
>> Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> On 07/21/2018 04:46 PM, cyaiplexys wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Try CherryTree. I use that program for everything. It's cross-platform.
>>>> I download it from the web site instead of using the version in the
>>>> Debian Repo as the latest version fixes some annoying bugs (of which I
>>>> kinda forgot what but would quickly be reminded if I used the repo
>>>> version).
>>>>
>>>> I think that would be useful for categorizing questions and you can 
>>>> even
>>>> search through them. If you want to save to PDF or HTML, it can export
>>>> to those formats as well.
>>>>
>>>> I've used CherryTree for everything from keeping code snippets to
>>>> installation instructions to writing up tutorials (and exporting to 
>>>> HTML).
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've installed CherryTree 0.38.5 from their site.
>>> It can do everything I need *IF* I manually enter all the data.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to import a large set of SeaMonkey bookmarks (a SQLite file).
>>> When using SQLite commands I can create a CSV file with only the
>>> information of interest.
>>>
>>> The CherryTree 0.38.5 manual explicitly states that CSV can be imported.
>>> But there is no menu item in the actual program.
>>>
>>> The CSV has the required information to describe the node/sub-node
>>> structure in explicit detail.
>>>
>>> Suggestions?
>>
>>    learn how to search?
>>
>>    i found this within a few seconds:
>>
>>    
>> http://giuspen.com/cherrytreemanual/Inserting_Objects--From_the_Toolbar--Tables.html 
>>
>>
>>    seems simple enough...
>>
> 
> In this case my search skills were adequate.
> My reading skills however?  <groan> ;{
> 
> I wasn't interested in a "table" per se.
> The CSV file has all the information required for a CherryTree 
> hierarchical file. So I had assumed (wrongly) that there was a CSV to 
> ctb format conversion. Also a closer look demonstrated misunderstanding 
> of how SeaMonkey handles it's data internally and why the JSON file has 
> some features I found annoying. But, along with a hint from an unrelated 
> thread, *MY* problem may be tractable.

My cage has been beneficently rattled ;}
The JSON file exported by SeaMonkey has too much of no interest.
I had given up on working with JSON data directly.
I did a web search for the combination of "sql" and "json".
That led to jq [https://stedolan.github.io/jq/] which led to a slightly 
different search with Synaptic. That led to "SQLite ODBC Driver" 
[http://www.ch-werner.de/sqliteodbc/].

I've not laid out the intermediate steps in detail.
However something like this seems possible:
  1. Export SeaMonkey bookmarks in JSON format.
  2. Clean it with jq.
  3. Use some tool/script to emit CSV.
  4. Edit with spreadsheet of choice, emitting CSV.
  5. Create JSON file acceptable to SeaMonkey.
     [That may require creating dummy data for items disposed of in #2.]

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#199281 — Searching and organizing emails (Re: If not "newbie" then ????)

Fromrhkramer@gmail.com
Date2018-08-23 16:40 +0200
SubjectSearching and organizing emails (Re: If not "newbie" then ????)
Message-ID<wpYWe-5bR-23@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#198329
On Monday, August 06, 2018 10:41:48 AM Richard Owlett wrote:

I don't remember what he wrote, but, at one point, I got the idea he had a lot 
of posts (emails, I presume)  that he wanted to be able to search.  And maybe 
organize / index.

I have used recol for purposes like that--it can index and do full text 
searches on, among other things, mbox files.  

(And, for my (attempt at) an askSam workalike, I organize other data into mbox 
files for easy manipulation by various tools: editors with syntax highlighting 
and folding capabilities, email clients, sorting utilities, ...)

My attempt at an askSam workalike works reasonably well for me, but is not 
ready for distribution.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#199284 — Re: Searching and organizing emails (Re: If not "newbie" then ????)

FromRichard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
Date2018-08-23 18:40 +0200
SubjectRe: Searching and organizing emails (Re: If not "newbie" then ????)
Message-ID<wq0Ol-6i8-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#199281
On 08/23/2018 09:29 AM, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, August 06, 2018 10:41:48 AM Richard Owlett wrote:
> 
> I don't remember what he wrote, but, at one point, I got the idea he had a lot
> of posts (emails, I presume)  that he wanted to be able to search.  And maybe
> organize / index.

Yes and Yes.

> 
> I have used recol for purposes like that--it can index and do full text
> searches on, among other things, mbox files.

Just took a quick look at website. Worth a closer look.

> 
> (And, for my (attempt at) an askSam workalike, I organize other data into mbox
> files for easy manipulation by various tools: editors with syntax highlighting
> and folding capabilities, email clients, sorting utilities, ...)

The Wikipedia entry hints at interesting.

> 
> My attempt at an askSam workalike works reasonably well for me, but is not
> ready for distribution.
> 

Someone pointed me to CherryTree. It will do nicely for a loosely 
related task. I'm working on extracting what I'm interested in from 
SeaMonkey bookmarks. Email will be a while.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#197876

FromEric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk>
Date2018-07-22 12:30 +0200
Message-ID<wejMJ-8qa-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#197848
I'd say "old skool" (affectionately) would do.  ;-)

eric

PS - my background is of similar vintage: Amdahl 470 (MTS), PDP 11/x
     (various) with various DEC OS I cannot remember & Unix, TRS-80
     Model I, Motorola 68k w/Unix v7, IBM PC, TRS Model 100 (loved this
     one), VAX 11/780 (BSD), Atari ST, Sun 3 (SunOS), SparcStation
     (Solaris), and then a whole host of PCs running Linux since 1992.

-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50 & org 9.1.13 on Debian buster/sid

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#197877

FromTom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-22 12:40 +0200
Message-ID<wejWp-8ur-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#197876

[Multipart message — attachments visible in raw view] — view raw

On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 05:26 Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:

> I'd say "old skool" (affectionately) would do.  ;-)


Sounds like there are a lot of fellow travelers here.  If you lean more
towards
loving programming as I do (started in FORTRAN IV in 1961),
you might check out the new world of Perl 6 (https://perl6.org)
and join a nice group of people who will appreciate your help in fixing
bugs, improving documentation, and leaving a legacy 100-year
programming language for your descendants.

Best regards,

-Tom

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#197935

FromEric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk>
Date2018-07-23 10:30 +0200
Message-ID<weEoa-5ps-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#197877
On Sunday, 22 Jul 2018 at 05:39, Tom Browder wrote:
> Sounds like there are a lot of fellow travelers here.  If you lean
> more towards loving programming as I do (started in FORTRAN IV in
> 1961), you might check out the new world of Perl 6 (https://perl6.org)

Interesting.  I started way back when with FORTRAN 66 and APL but I have
moved on to Julia (julialang.org) these days.

-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50 & org 9.1.13 on Debian buster/sid

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#197936

FromErik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net>
Date2018-07-23 11:20 +0200
Message-ID<weFax-5Xi-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#197935
On 23.07.18 10:28, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> On Sunday, 22 Jul 2018 at 05:39, Tom Browder wrote:
> > Sounds like there are a lot of fellow travelers here.  If you lean
> > more towards loving programming as I do (started in FORTRAN IV in
> > 1961), you might check out the new world of Perl 6 (https://perl6.org)
> 
> Interesting.  I started way back when with FORTRAN 66 and APL but I have
> moved on to Julia (julialang.org) these days.

In 1972 we were still submitting FORTRAN IV jobs on Hollerith punched
cards, to run on an ICL1901 24-bit mainframe, which half-filled a room
with its fridge-sized chain printer and big card reader and disk drives.

But the electrical engineering department had its own little HP2100A
16-bit minicomputer, with 16k words of 980 ns ferrite core memory. (Very
spiffy stuff, back then.) If you overwrote the punched tape bootloader
in the first dozen words or so of RAM, then you had to load it by hand
from the frontpanel switch register, word by word, in octal.

The three-chip 8080A CPU had become the single-chip 8085 by the time I
programmed it, before moving to the 8051 microcontroller, but sprinkling
13 of 'em in a system, 12 mask programmed, so no coding errors permitted,

My first home CPU was a TMS9900, which like the COSMAC had 16 x 16 bit
registers, but not on-chip. A pointer register set the location of the
register workspace in RAM, so that on interrupt or subroutine call,
changing one register gave a new set of registers instantly. It also had
a barrel shifter, rotating a register any number of bits in a single
instruction, optionally controlled by the 4 LSBs of R0. (Magic for
computing sine and cos by the CORDIC method.) And it had 16x16 multiply
and 32/16 divide.

But the contemporary COSMAC was well ahead of its time - a CMOS CPU in 1976.

Erik

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#198018

Fromcyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net>
Date2018-07-26 14:30 +0200
Message-ID<wfNz3-2CI-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#197936
This is taking me down a memory lane I don't necessarily have but have 
heard about! Ah, the early days of computers!

On 07/23/2018 05:14 AM, Erik Christiansen wrote:
> On 23.07.18 10:28, Eric S Fraga wrote:
>> On Sunday, 22 Jul 2018 at 05:39, Tom Browder wrote:
>>> Sounds like there are a lot of fellow travelers here.  If you lean
>>> more towards loving programming as I do (started in FORTRAN IV in
>>> 1961), you might check out the new world of Perl 6 (https://perl6.org)
>>
>> Interesting.  I started way back when with FORTRAN 66 and APL but I have
>> moved on to Julia (julialang.org) these days.
> 
> In 1972 we were still submitting FORTRAN IV jobs on Hollerith punched
> cards, to run on an ICL1901 24-bit mainframe, which half-filled a room
> with its fridge-sized chain printer and big card reader and disk drives.
> 
> But the electrical engineering department had its own little HP2100A
> 16-bit minicomputer, with 16k words of 980 ns ferrite core memory. (Very
> spiffy stuff, back then.) If you overwrote the punched tape bootloader
> in the first dozen words or so of RAM, then you had to load it by hand
> from the frontpanel switch register, word by word, in octal.
> 
> The three-chip 8080A CPU had become the single-chip 8085 by the time I
> programmed it, before moving to the 8051 microcontroller, but sprinkling
> 13 of 'em in a system, 12 mask programmed, so no coding errors permitted,
> 
> My first home CPU was a TMS9900, which like the COSMAC had 16 x 16 bit
> registers, but not on-chip. A pointer register set the location of the
> register workspace in RAM, so that on interrupt or subroutine call,
> changing one register gave a new set of registers instantly. It also had
> a barrel shifter, rotating a register any number of bits in a single
> instruction, optionally controlled by the 4 LSBs of R0. (Magic for
> computing sine and cos by the CORDIC method.) And it had 16x16 multiply
> and 32/16 divide.
> 
> But the contemporary COSMAC was well ahead of its time - a CMOS CPU in 1976.
> 
> Erik

This sounds a lot like a friend of mine who is much older than me, who 
used punch cards. Luckily I was a teen in the dawn of the 
microscomputing age. It was mostly cassette tape and for the rich and 
well off, the 5.25" floppy disk drive. I never encountered punch cards. 
I bet it was a PITA compared to today.

This also reminds me of the old days of assembly language programming on 
the CoCo 3 (68B09E CPU) using disk EDASAM+ I actually did a good bit of 
that (pun half intended).

Never learned x86 assembly.

I'm going to start another thread (much more on Debian topic I hope) 
about assemblers, as I'm curious about that too.

I guess I get curious about everything. See what you guys started? :P

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#197881 — Survival Notes [Was: Re: If not "newbie" then ????

FromErik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net>
Date2018-07-22 14:20 +0200
SubjectSurvival Notes [Was: Re: If not "newbie" then ????
Message-ID<welvc-1ax-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#197848
On 21.07.18 10:42, Richard Owlett wrote:
> P.S. I've saved ~6 years of useful posts from this group. I've been trying
> to figure out how to organize it in order to create a QWSBFA rather than a
> FAQ. QWSBFA=="Questions Which Should Be Frequently Asked" ;/

There are so many paths that people have trodden, and so many levels of
expertise, that survival notes are somewhat individualised, I figure.

How best to manage it probably depends on your vintage. Over three
decades I've accumulated ~ 420 pages of *nix user & sysadmin, embedded
programming, and text munging notes. With folding enabled, Vim presents
the single plain text file as one page - the table of contents. Headings
are capitalised, and a ':' follows keywords (also capitalised). A search
hit automatically unfolds to the fold level required. It's simple, easy
to manage, and fast - but most importantly, my fingers know Vim.

Stuff from technical lists which doesn't make it to the survival notes,
i.e. the few % of posts worth keeping, are sorted on first reading to
topic-specific mailboxes. Tonight there are:

$ ls -1 mail/* | wc -l
1266

and

$ ls -1 mail/cnc* | wc -l
454

are LinuxCNC-related. (Gene's favourite hobby.) Even with automated
search, it's a lot easier to look for one keyword in a hundred posts
from a single context, than try to make keyword combinations which will
fight off out of context hits in a hundred thousand posts.

> OWL ducks fer cover ;}

Hopefully owl ducks make good cover.

Erik

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#197882 — Re: Survival Notes [Was: Re: If not "newbie" then ????

FromZenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net>
Date2018-07-22 14:50 +0200
SubjectRe: Survival Notes [Was: Re: If not "newbie" then ????
Message-ID<welYd-1lR-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#197881
On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 10:14:21PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote:
> > OWL ducks fer cover ;}
> 
> Hopefully owl ducks make good cover.

:D

Nice. Nothing like dry humour... Love it :)

Have a good one,

[toc] | [prev] | [standalone]


Page 2 of 2 — ← Prev page 1 [2]

Back to top | Article view | linux.debian.user


csiph-web