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  Some things related to installation medias Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2018-11-06 15:40 +0100
    Re: Some things related to installation medias Juan Francisco Giménez Silva <juanfgs@gmail.com> - 2018-11-06 16:00 +0100

#202190 — Some things related to installation medias

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Hi folks,

there are some things, appearing during installation, I I want to mention.

1. On the installation medias (debian/stable) are always the kernels of the stable 
repository. However, it appears from time to time, that hardware on actual notebooks are 
not supported by the installation kernel, but are supported by a newer kernel. 

IMO there should be always the actual and released stable kernel for installation in debian/
stable. With "a stable kernel" is a kernel meant, which is released by Linus Torvalds. 

Is there any reason, why there is installed an old kernel (with probably security holes or 
unpatched things)? Just a question.....

2. The other thing, which I ran into, was, that for net based installation I needed the 
firmware for the wireless card. The package was firmware-iwlwifi.
This package was neither on the netinst-iso, nor on the 9.5-DVD-iso.
The only reason, why it is not on the installation media , might be a problem with the 
license. But behaving so, makes an installation very difficult. 
IMO these very necessary packages should (more MUST) exist on a installation media. 

Of course, you can say, get the firmware and put it on an usb-stick, however, this is very 
uncomfortable. And do not forget about newbies: I doubt, they will be able to solve the 
problem!

Please apologize, I know, that I may be wrong. But I just wanted to mention this, as these 
points should IMHO really improved. So see this mail just as a feedback and a suggestion, 
whatever. Don't be anger.

Thanks for reading this!

Best regards

Hans
  

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El 6/11/18 a las 11:38 a. m., Hans escribió:
> Hi folks,
> 
> there are some things, appearing during installation, I I want to mention.
> 
> 1. On the installation medias (debian/stable) are always the kernels of 
> the stable repository. However, it appears from time to time, that 
> hardware on actual notebooks are not supported by the installation 
> kernel, but are supported by a newer kernel.
> 
> IMO there should be always the actual and released stable kernel for 
> installation in debian/stable. With "a stable kernel" is a kernel meant, 
> which is released by Linus Torvalds.
> 
> Is there any reason, why there is installed an old kernel (with probably 
> security holes or unpatched things)? Just a question.....
> 
> 2. The other thing, which I ran into, was, that for net based 
> installation I needed the firmware for the wireless card. The package 
> was firmware-iwlwifi.
> 
> This package was neither on the netinst-iso, nor on the 9.5-DVD-iso.
> 
> The only reason, why it is not on the installation media , might be a 
> problem with the license. But behaving so, makes an installation very 
> difficult.
> 
> IMO these very necessary packages should (more MUST) exist on a 
> installation media.
> 
> Of course, you can say, get the firmware and put it on an usb-stick, 
> however, this is very uncomfortable. And do not forget about newbies: I 
> doubt, they will be able to solve the problem!
> 
> Please apologize, I know, that I may be wrong. But I just wanted to 
> mention this, as these points should IMHO really improved. So see this 
> mail just as a feedback and a suggestion, whatever. Don't be anger.
> 
> Thanks for reading this!
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Hans
> 


Hello (and hello list! I'm new here :) ),

About the "old kernel", aren't those patched by the Debian Security 
team? AFAIK they are fairly secure and with not outstanding bugs.

For newer laptops I would recommend trying the testing alpha installers 
which usually have newer kernels.

regarding the firmware part, isn't that firmware on the "unnofficial" 
builds that include non-free firmwares?

I just came back to debian recently and found these images[1] through 
googling debian+firmware , still visibility on the main page could be 
improved.

Hope that helps.


[0]https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/ia64/apds03.html.en

[1]https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/

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