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| Started by | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| First post | 2018-05-28 21:00 +0200 |
| Last post | 2018-05-29 10:10 +0200 |
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Usability BUG - Which package appropriate? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-05-28 21:00 +0200
Re: Usability BUG - Which package appropriate? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-05-28 21:30 +0200
Re: Usability BUG - Which package appropriate? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-05-28 22:10 +0200
Re: Usability BUG - Which package appropriate? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-05-28 23:30 +0200
Re: Usability BUG - Which package appropriate? likcoras <likcoras@riseup.net> - 2018-05-29 10:10 +0200
| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-28 21:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Usability BUG - Which package appropriate? |
| Message-ID | <vUvx8-2qS-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
In another thread I asked for text editor recommendations to address a
narrowly focused problem - making non-printing (one respondent called
them "ink-free) characters obvious.
I had specified a GUI editor.
One person suggested geany. I checked Synaptic and found it was already
installed. Synaptic gave a "Homepage". I clicked and found that it had a
discrete setting that addressed my problem. As it was part of Debian's
default installation, it is the OBVIOUS solution to my IMMEDIATE
problem. The homepage linked to suggestive pages regarding other
problems. Already installed, solves immediate problem, and suggests that
it solves foreseeable problems.
Case closed?
Not necessarily.
Later someone else suggested emacs.
My mental image of "emacs" was of something for a 'dumb terminal'.
I went to Synaptic searching for 'emacs'.
Got a hit for a metapaqckage - *NO* associated homepage.
Did a web search for 'emacs' which linked to
[https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/] which gave no relevant answers.
*HOWEVER!!!!!*
The first line stated "Emacs 26.1 is out, download it here!"
Bu [https://packages.debian.org/stretch/emacs] refers to
"Package: emacs (46.1)".
I see TWO problems:
1. Synaptic frequently does not list a relevant homepage.
2. [https://packages.debian.org] lacks credibility.
I underlying problems:
1. Code creation is nirvana.
2. Documentation is an after thought.
Why avoid "free" software? It *COSTS* to much.
I suspect I'm older than grandparents of many current programmers ;/
P.S. I've written both "Instruction manuals" and "Test procedures".
Educational pitfalls in both <*ROFL!!!*>
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| From | Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-28 21:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <vUw09-2PG-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #196168 |
Richard Owlett wrote: > In another thread I asked for text editor recommendations to address a > Later someone else suggested emacs. > My mental image of "emacs" was of something for a 'dumb terminal'. > I went to Synaptic searching for 'emacs'. > Got a hit for a metapaqckage - *NO* associated homepage. > Did a web search for 'emacs' which linked to > [https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/] which gave no relevant answers. The "documentation" link at the top didn't give you any clues? https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/documentation.html Or directly to the manual itself: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/index.html There is also a print manual (still undergoing volunteer proofreading, according to the "Purchase" link) -- you can get a free (as in beer) PDF version. It's 635 pages long. > *HOWEVER!!!!!* > The first line stated "Emacs 26.1 is out, download it here!" > Bu [https://packages.debian.org/stretch/emacs] refers to > "Package: emacs (46.1)". And goes onto say that it's a metapackage that depends on emacs24; so, in true Debian fashion, they're on what they consider to be "stable", even if it means it's a few versions behind. -- |_|O|_| Registered Linux user #585947 |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-28 22:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <vUwCS-3io-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #196170 |
On 05/28/2018 02:14 PM, Dan Purgert wrote: > Richard Owlett wrote: >> In another thread I asked for text editor recommendations to address a >> Later someone else suggested emacs. >> My mental image of "emacs" was of something for a 'dumb terminal'. >> I went to Synaptic searching for 'emacs'. >> Got a hit for a metapaqckage - *NO* associated homepage. >> Did a web search for 'emacs' which linked to >> [https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/] which gave no relevant answers. > > The "documentation" link at the top didn't give you any clues? > > https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/documentation.html > > Or directly to the manual itself: > https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/index.html > > There is also a print manual (still undergoing volunteer proofreading, > according to the "Purchase" link) -- you can get a free (as in beer) PDF > version. It's 635 pages long. > >> *HOWEVER!!!!!* >> The first line stated "Emacs 26.1 is out, download it here!" >> Bu [https://packages.debian.org/stretch/emacs] refers to >> "Package: emacs (46.1)". > > And goes onto say that it's a metapackage that depends on emacs24; so, > in true Debian fashion, they're on what they consider to be "stable", > even if it means it's a few versions behind. > > BOTHER to read links????????????? Debian claims to be *20* MAJOR releases *AHEAD* of source.
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2018-05-28 23:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <vUxSi-3Wh-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #196171 |
On Mon 28 May 2018 at 15:03:09 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 05/28/2018 02:14 PM, Dan Purgert wrote: > >Richard Owlett wrote: > >>In another thread I asked for text editor recommendations to address a > >>Later someone else suggested emacs. > >>My mental image of "emacs" was of something for a 'dumb terminal'. > >>I went to Synaptic searching for 'emacs'. > >>Got a hit for a metapaqckage - *NO* associated homepage. > >>Did a web search for 'emacs' which linked to > >>[https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/] which gave no relevant answers. > > > >The "documentation" link at the top didn't give you any clues? > > > >https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/documentation.html > > > >Or directly to the manual itself: > >https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/index.html > > > >There is also a print manual (still undergoing volunteer proofreading, > >according to the "Purchase" link) -- you can get a free (as in beer) PDF > >version. It's 635 pages long. > > > >>*HOWEVER!!!!!* > >>The first line stated "Emacs 26.1 is out, download it here!" > >>Bu [https://packages.debian.org/stretch/emacs] refers to > >>"Package: emacs (46.1)". > > > >And goes onto say that it's a metapackage that depends on emacs24; so, > >in true Debian fashion, they're on what they consider to be "stable", > >even if it means it's a few versions behind. > > BOTHER to read links????????????? Please don't do that. > Debian claims to be *20* MAJOR releases *AHEAD* of source. No, 46.1 is the Debian version number of the metapackage. 26 is the version number of a version of emacs itself. Currently, Debian is giving us emacs24 in stable, as Dan said. Cheers, David.
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| From | likcoras <likcoras@riseup.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-29 10:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <vUHRE-1ob-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #196171 |
On 05/29/2018 05:03 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: >>> *HOWEVER!!!!!* >>> The first line stated "Emacs 26.1 is out, download it here!" >>> Bu [https://packages.debian.org/stretch/emacs] refers to >>> "Package: emacs (46.1)". >> >> And goes onto say that it's a metapackage that depends on emacs24; so, >> in true Debian fashion, they're on what they consider to be "stable", >> even if it means it's a few versions behind. > > BOTHER to read links????????????? > Debian claims to be *20* MAJOR releases *AHEAD* of source. Adding to what David wrote, the description for (meta-)package emacs reads as follows: Description: GNU Emacs editor (metapackage) GNU Emacs is the extensible self-documenting text editor. This is a metapackage that will always depend on the latest recommended Emacs release. Taking a look at the dependencies of this metapackage, they are as follows: Depends: emacs24 | emacs24-lucid | emacs24-nox Now, looking at the emacs24 package, it seems to have all the relevant information. Package: emacs24 Version: 24.5+1-11+deb9u1 [...] Description: GNU Emacs editor (with GTK+ GUI support) [...] Homepage: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ I haven't really noticed that any packages missing their homepages (if they exist). Moreover, most packages already include their own documentation (or have a -doc package) which can usually answer whatever question you might want answered from the webpage, right on your local system! As an aside, please avoid being hostile in the mailing list. People are often just trying to help, no need to snap at them. :)
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