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Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch?

Started byPatrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com>
First post2017-07-19 19:30 +0200
Last post2017-07-21 07:20 +0200
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  Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 19:30 +0200
    Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 20:20 +0200
      Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 22:40 +0200
        Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 22:50 +0200
          Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 04:10 +0200
            Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 05:50 +0200
              Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 06:30 +0200
            Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 08:50 +0200
              Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 06:50 +0200
                Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 08:50 +0200
                  Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 18:30 +0200
    Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2017-07-19 20:40 +0200
      Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 22:50 +0200
        Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-19 23:20 +0200
          Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 04:30 +0200
    Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-07-19 21:00 +0200
      Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 21:20 +0200
      Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-19 21:20 +0200
        Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-07-19 21:50 +0200
        Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-07-19 22:00 +0200
          Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-07-19 22:30 +0200
            Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-07-19 23:10 +0200
              Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-19 23:20 +0200
              Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-19 23:50 +0200
                Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-07-20 00:30 +0200
                  Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-07-20 01:20 +0200
                    Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-22 23:50 +0200
          Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2017-07-19 22:40 +0200
        Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-07-19 22:00 +0200
          Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-19 22:20 +0200
      Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 22:50 +0200
      Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-07-20 06:40 +0200
        Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-07-20 09:30 +0200
          Apt vs apt-get [Was: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch?] Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-07-20 13:30 +0200
            Re: Apt vs apt-get [Was: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch?] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-07-20 16:40 +0200
              Re: Apt vs apt-get [Was: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch?] Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-20 19:00 +0200
                Re: Apt vs apt-get [Was: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch?] Frank <zuiderduin@gmx.com> - 2017-07-20 20:20 +0200
                  Re: Apt vs apt-get [Was: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch?] Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-20 21:50 +0200
                  Re: False dichotomy [was: Apt vs apt-get] Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 23:00 +0200
                    Re: False dichotomy [was: Apt vs apt-get] Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-21 01:00 +0200
        Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2017-07-21 00:00 +0200
          Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-07-21 06:50 +0200
            Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-07-21 21:10 +0200
    Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? davidson@freevolt.org - 2017-07-20 08:00 +0200
      Re: Apt-get Upgrade Problem in Stretch? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 07:20 +0200

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#184013

FromJoe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>
Date2017-07-21 00:00 +0200
Message-ID<u5rEe-4vn-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#183951
David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> writes:

> On Wed 19 Jul 2017 at 14:57:50 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:
>> Patrick Bartek composed on 2017-07-19 10:29 (UTC-0700):
>> 
>> > Getting no results from apt-get upgrade after a week.  Can install apps,
>> > etc., but get no security or stretch-update "fixes," etc.  I find
>> > this unusual.  Did a mail list archive search for this, but didn't find
>> > anything specific. Or did I miss the solution?
>> 
>> > My Test Setup:
>> 
>> > Stretch Stable 64-bit from net-install disk in Virtualbox 5.1 on a
>> > Wheezy host.  Basic terminal install (no GUI), converted to sysvinit
>> > (did not do anything to systemd files. Kept as dependencies) and then
>> > added xorg, openbox window manager, etc.
>> 
>> > Thanks for any feedback.
>> 
>> Did you miss that in Stretch apt is preferred to apt-get?
>
> I did. Where does it say that?

The closest thing to that statement I've encountered is in the Debian
Administrator's Handbook, "apt is a second command-line based front end
provided by APT which overcomes some design mistakes of apt-get."  It
doesn't quite say it's preferred, but it does say why the author of the
handbook thinks it's superior.

https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.apt-get.html
section 6.2

But this whole discussion is a complete red herring.  Whatever the OP's
actual issue, the probability that it has anything to do with apt
vs. apt-get is so low that pretty much everything else should be
considered first.

(not that it matters, but personally I prefer aptitude)

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#184024

FromFelix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net>
Date2017-07-21 06:50 +0200
Message-ID<u5y2Z-aa-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#184013
Joe Pfeiffer composed on 2017-07-20 15:38 (UTC-0600):

> David Wright  wrote:

>> On Wed 19 Jul 2017 at 14:57:50 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:

>>> Did you miss that in Stretch apt is preferred to apt-get?

>> I did. Where does it say that?

> The closest thing to that statement I've encountered is in the Debian
> Administrator's Handbook, "apt is a second command-line based front end
> provided by APT which overcomes some design mistakes of apt-get."  It
> doesn't quite say it's preferred, but it does say why the author of the
> handbook thinks it's superior.

> https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.apt-get.html
> section 6.2

The handbook paragraph following that quoted above includes this:

	"The most recommended interface, apt,..."

It only says apt is the cmdline interface that followed apt-get, not when it
followed, but I think "overcomes design mistakes of apt-get" is enough to
justify saying that apt is generally preferred to apt-get.
-- 
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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#184049

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2017-07-21 21:10 +0200
Message-ID<u5Ltf-ih-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#184024
On Fri 21 Jul 2017 at 00:43:08 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:
> Joe Pfeiffer composed on 2017-07-20 15:38 (UTC-0600):
> 
> > David Wright  wrote:
> 
> >> On Wed 19 Jul 2017 at 14:57:50 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:
> 
> >>> Did you miss that in Stretch apt is preferred to apt-get?
> 
> >> I did. Where does it say that?
> 
> > The closest thing to that statement I've encountered is in the Debian
> > Administrator's Handbook, "apt is a second command-line based front end
> > provided by APT which overcomes some design mistakes of apt-get."  It
> > doesn't quite say it's preferred, but it does say why the author of the
> > handbook thinks it's superior.
> 
> > https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.apt-get.html
> > section 6.2
> 
> The handbook paragraph following that quoted above includes this:
> 
> 	"The most recommended interface, apt,..."
> 
> It only says apt is the cmdline interface that followed apt-get, not when it
> followed, but I think "overcomes design mistakes of apt-get" is enough to
> justify saying that apt is generally preferred to apt-get.

In ยง6,2 I actually _can't_ see where the author says it's superior.
I _can_ see that a substitution s/apt-get/apt/ has been made in
the newer version of the handbook (actually published just after
jessie was released) and in stretch's Installation Guide.

For a gloss on the "design mistakes" statement, see
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=818560
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/270511/how-is-apt-the-new-and-improved-apt-get

Cheers,
David.

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#183954

Fromdavidson@freevolt.org
Date2017-07-20 08:00 +0200
Message-ID<u5cFg-2W0-61@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#183900
On Wed, 19 Jul 2017, Patrick Bartek wrote:

> Getting no results from apt-get upgrade after a week.  Can install apps,
> etc., but get no security or stretch-update "fixes," etc.  I find
> this unusual.

And so, understandably, you feel prompted to seek confirmation that
there have, in fact, been no updates applicable to your system.

I have a somewhat minimal[1] amd64 stretch system too, and examining
/var/log/apt/history.log indicates that the most recent date there
were upgrades available for an already installed package was on
2017-07-09:

   Start-Date: 2017-07-09  hh:mm:ss
   Commandline: /usr/bin/apt-get upgrade
   Upgrade: libdns-export162:amd64 (1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3, 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3+deb9u1), xserver-common:amd64 (2  :1.19.2-1, 2:1.19.2-1+deb9u1), xserver-xorg-core:amd64 (2:1.19.2-1, 2:1.19.2-1+deb9u1), libtiff5:amd64 (4.0.8-  2, 4.0.8-2+deb9u1), libisc-export160:amd64 (1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3, 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3+deb9u1)
   End-Date: 2017-07-09  hh:mm:ss

Casting an eye over the entries in debian-security-announce list
archives, since that date, suggests to me that there have, indeed,
been no upgrades that apply to any package I have installed.

If you are not subscribed to that list, you can examine them here:

   https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2017/

Depending on the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list , you might
also want to examine other lists like debian-stable-announce:

   https://lists.debian.org/debian-stable-announce/recent

In principle, the fewer packages you have installed, the more likely
there will be such apparent "dry spells".

> Did a mail list archive search for this, but didn't find
> anything specific. Or did I miss the solution?

It seems to me that the first step is determining whether there exists
a problem to be solved.

Hope this helps.

Notes
   1. Roughly quantifying "somewhat minimal":
      $ dpkg-query -l |grep '^ii' |wc -l
      686

-- 

"One of the greatest advantages of the totalitarian elites of the
twenties and thirties was to turn any statement of fact into a
question of motive." -- Hannah Arendt

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#184025

FromPatrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-21 07:20 +0200
Message-ID<u5yw1-Bm-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#183954
On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 05:55:15 +0000 (UTC) davidson@freevolt.org wrote:

> On Wed, 19 Jul 2017, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> 
> > Getting no results from apt-get upgrade after a week.  Can install
> > apps, etc., but get no security or stretch-update "fixes," etc.  I
> > find this unusual.
> 
> And so, understandably, you feel prompted to seek confirmation that
> there have, in fact, been no updates applicable to your system.

Of course.  But I did do searches to see if something like this has
occured before,

> I have a somewhat minimal[1] amd64 stretch system too, and examining
> /var/log/apt/history.log indicates that the most recent date there
> were upgrades available for an already installed package was on
> 2017-07-09:
> 
>    Start-Date: 2017-07-09  hh:mm:ss
>    Commandline: /usr/bin/apt-get upgrade
>    Upgrade: libdns-export162:amd64 (1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3,
> [snip]
> In principle, the fewer packages you have installed, the more likely
> there will be such apparent "dry spells".

This was my first thought, too.  But after installing X, window
manager, utilities, apps, and two weeks with nothing, it struck my
"this is out of the ordinary" bone.  Never have any of my Debian
installs gone that long without some upgrade activity, particularly
after an initial Stable release.

> > Did a mail list archive search for this, but didn't find
> > anything specific. Or did I miss the solution?
> 
> It seems to me that the first step is determining whether there exists
> a problem to be solved.

Hence, my contacting the list. Right now, even with the advice I've
gotten, I can't find anything wrong system or configure-wise.

> Hope this helps.

Thanks for your response.

B

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