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Choose between amd64 and i386

Started byRodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com>
First post2017-06-06 13:00 +0200
Last post2017-06-06 21:40 +0200
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  Choose between amd64 and i386 Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 13:00 +0200
    Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 humbert.olivier.1@free.fr - 2017-06-06 13:40 +0200
    Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-06-06 14:20 +0200
    Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2017-06-06 17:50 +0200
      Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2017-06-06 18:00 +0200
        Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 20:00 +0200
          Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-06-06 21:30 +0200
            Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 10:40 +0200
              Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2017-06-07 11:10 +0200
              Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-06-07 20:20 +0200
                Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-06-10 15:50 +0200
                  Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-06-10 16:40 +0200
                    Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-06-10 17:50 +0200
                    Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-06-10 18:00 +0200
                      Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-06-10 18:30 +0200
                        Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-06-10 19:30 +0200
                        Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-06-10 19:30 +0200
                      Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-06-10 19:20 +0200
                        Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 17:00 +0200
                          Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-06-11 17:20 +0200
                            Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 19:00 +0200
                              Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 19:10 +0200
                      Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-06-10 20:20 +0200
                        Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet (was: Choose between amd64 and i386) Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 10:40 +0200
                          Re: Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet (was:  Choose between amd64 and i386) Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 10:50 +0200
                            Re: Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-06-11 11:40 +0200
                          Re: Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 10:50 +0200
                          Re: Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-06-11 11:10 +0200
                            Re: Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 13:00 +0200
                              Re: Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-06-11 14:00 +0200
                              Re: Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-06-11 14:20 +0200
                          Re: Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 08:40 +0200
                  Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-06-10 21:30 +0200
        Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2017-06-07 11:10 +0200
    Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-06-06 21:40 +0200

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#181804 — Choose between amd64 and i386

FromRodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-06 13:00 +0200
SubjectChoose between amd64 and i386
Message-ID<tPknp-7Bq-43@gated-at.bofh.it>
Since a new 8.8.0 Debian version is available for downloading, I want to try
again to install Debian on my tablet-laptop Acer One 10, which wouldn't allow
Debian installation some months ago...  Can ayone suggest whether to use amd64
or i386?  Or how can I make it up?  Thanks...

Rodolfo

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#181806

Fromhumbert.olivier.1@free.fr
Date2017-06-06 13:40 +0200
Message-ID<tPl06-8cX-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181804
> De: "Rodolfo Medina"
> 
> Since a new 8.8.0 Debian version is available for downloading, I want to try
> again to install Debian on my tablet-laptop Acer One 10, which wouldn't allow
> Debian installation some months ago...  Can ayone suggest whether to use amd64
> or i386?  Or how can I make it up?  Thanks...
 
Hi Rodolfo,

if you're laptop is able to handle 64 bits (amd64), it's better to use it.

If you which to know if your hardware can handle 64 bits, use the command :
lscpu | grep -i "mode(s)"
It'll tell you so.

Hope that helps.
Olivier

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#181810

FromFelix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net>
Date2017-06-06 14:20 +0200
Message-ID<tPlCO-el-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181804
Rodolfo Medina composed on 2017-06-06 11:50 (UTC+0100):

> Since a new 8.8.0 Debian version is available for downloading, I want to try
> again to install Debian on my tablet-laptop Acer One 10, which wouldn't allow
> Debian installation some months ago...  Can ayone suggest whether to use amd64
> or i386?  Or how can I make it up?  Thanks...

The differences between 8.8 and prior are that security and minor bug fixes
issued in the interim are included on the newer installation media. If your
tablet or laptop was too new for support by the prior 8.x that you tried, it is
highly unlikely 8.8 will do any better. What you would most likely need is the
newer major version, with support for hardware up to two years newer, 9/Stretch,
which is in version freeze and due for release very shortly.

The 3 year old Intel Atom Z3735F CPU supports amd64 according to:
http://ark.intel.com/products/80274/Intel-Atom-Processor-Z3735F-2M-Cache-up-to-1_83-GHz
-- 
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

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#181829

FromMichael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de>
Date2017-06-06 17:50 +0200
Message-ID<tPoU1-2gl-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181804
Hi,

On Tue, 06 Jun 2017 11:50:55 +0100
Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> wrote:

> Since a new 8.8.0 Debian version is available for downloading, I want
> to try again to install Debian on my tablet-laptop Acer One 10, which
> wouldn't allow Debian installation some months ago...  Can ayone
> suggest whether to use amd64 or i386?  Or how can I make it up?
> Thanks...

not sure about this particular device, but I think it *might* be one of
those 64bit machines with 32bit UEFI . If this is the case you could run
a 64bit system, the difficult thing is how to get it booted ;)
IIRC the only debian installer iso that will boot such a device is the
netinst iso. If you use this to install a 64 bit system you will probably
have to do a chroot into the new system after the installation has
finished and manually install the grub-efi-ia32 and grub-efi-ia32-bin
packages to be able to boot the newly installed system.
I had this problem last year with a lenovo laptop and finally ended up
with sparky linux (which is basically stretch with a small number of
sparky specific extras), where this procedure worked well. Back then
sparky was the only distribution I could find whose install disc would
boot that device (netinst was no option there, since there is no wifi
ootb with my lenovo toy).
Of course I might be completely wrong, it is just a guess that your
device suffers from that same 32bit UEFI issue.

Regards

Michael


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#181830

FromSteve McIntyre <steve@einval.com>
Date2017-06-06 18:00 +0200
Message-ID<tPp3I-2jT-23@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181829
Michael wrote:
>
>not sure about this particular device, but I think it *might* be one of
>those 64bit machines with 32bit UEFI . If this is the case you could run
>a 64bit system, the difficult thing is how to get it booted ;)
>IIRC the only debian installer iso that will boot such a device is the
>netinst iso. If you use this to install a 64 bit system you will probably
>have to do a chroot into the new system after the installation has
>finished and manually install the grub-efi-ia32 and grub-efi-ia32-bin
>packages to be able to boot the newly installed system.
>I had this problem last year with a lenovo laptop and finally ended up
>with sparky linux (which is basically stretch with a small number of
>sparky specific extras), where this procedure worked well. Back then
>sparky was the only distribution I could find whose install disc would
>boot that device (netinst was no option there, since there is no wifi
>ootb with my lenovo toy).
>Of course I might be completely wrong, it is just a guess that your
>device suffers from that same 32bit UEFI issue.

We've supported the wacky "64-bit platform, 32-bit UEFI" devices
(e.g. Bay Trail) ever since the first Jessie release. If you grab a
multi-arch netinst or DVD image, it will boot via 32-bit but let you
start a 64-bit installation and *also* will detect the 32-bit platform
and install the correct version of grub.

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.                                steve@einval.com
  Armed with "Valor": "Centurion" represents quality of Discipline,
  Honor, Integrity and Loyalty. Now you don't have to be a Caesar to
  concord the digital world while feeling safe and proud.

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#181841

FromRodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-06 20:00 +0200
Message-ID<tPqVQ-3xj-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181830
Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> writes:

> Michael wrote:
>>
>>not sure about this particular device, but I think it *might* be one of
>>those 64bit machines with 32bit UEFI . If this is the case you could run
>>a 64bit system, the difficult thing is how to get it booted ;)
>>IIRC the only debian installer iso that will boot such a device is the
>>netinst iso. If you use this to install a 64 bit system you will probably
>>have to do a chroot into the new system after the installation has
>>finished and manually install the grub-efi-ia32 and grub-efi-ia32-bin
>>packages to be able to boot the newly installed system.
>>I had this problem last year with a lenovo laptop and finally ended up
>>with sparky linux (which is basically stretch with a small number of
>>sparky specific extras), where this procedure worked well. Back then
>>sparky was the only distribution I could find whose install disc would
>>boot that device (netinst was no option there, since there is no wifi
>>ootb with my lenovo toy).
>>Of course I might be completely wrong, it is just a guess that your
>>device suffers from that same 32bit UEFI issue.
>
> We've supported the wacky "64-bit platform, 32-bit UEFI" devices
> (e.g. Bay Trail) ever since the first Jessie release. If you grab a
> multi-arch netinst or DVD image, it will boot via 32-bit but let you
> start a 64-bit installation and *also* will detect the 32-bit platform
> and install the correct version of grub.


Some months ago I tried many times to install Debian on my Debian Acer One
(tablet and laptop together) but always failed.  I used
debian-8.7.1-amd64-netinst.iso.  Now we have debian-8.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso.
Are you suggesting a different iso file?

Thanks,

Rodolfo

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#181850

FromPascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org>
Date2017-06-06 21:30 +0200
Message-ID<tPskW-4zc-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181841
Le 06/06/2017 à 19:58, Rodolfo Medina a écrit :
> Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> writes:
>
>> We've supported the wacky "64-bit platform, 32-bit UEFI" devices
>> (e.g. Bay Trail) ever since the first Jessie release. If you grab a
>> multi-arch netinst or DVD image, it will boot via 32-bit but let you
>> start a 64-bit installation and *also* will detect the 32-bit platform
>> and install the correct version of grub.
>
> Some months ago I tried many times to install Debian on my Debian Acer One
> (tablet and laptop together) but always failed.  I used
> debian-8.7.1-amd64-netinst.iso.  Now we have debian-8.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso.
> Are you suggesting a different iso file?

<https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.8.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso>

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#181873

FromRodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-07 10:40 +0200
Message-ID<tPEFs-4bF-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181850
Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> writes:

> Le 06/06/2017 à 19:58, Rodolfo Medina a écrit :
>> Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> writes:
>>
>>> We've supported the wacky "64-bit platform, 32-bit UEFI" devices
>>> (e.g. Bay Trail) ever since the first Jessie release. If you grab a
>>> multi-arch netinst or DVD image, it will boot via 32-bit but let you
>>> start a 64-bit installation and *also* will detect the 32-bit platform
>>> and install the correct version of grub.
>>
>> Some months ago I tried many times to install Debian on my Debian Acer One
>> (tablet and laptop together) but always failed.  I used
>> debian-8.7.1-amd64-netinst.iso.  Now we have debian-8.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso.
>> Are you suggesting a different iso file?
>
> <https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.8.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso>

Same problem also with this iso image: at the beginning the machine seems to
boot into the Debian Installer menu, but when I enter it the screen becomes
unreadable and all sticks and I have to restart the machine.

Rodolfo

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#181874

FromMichael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de>
Date2017-06-07 11:10 +0200
Message-ID<tPF8u-4Fk-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181873
On Wed, 07 Jun 2017 09:33:01 +0100
Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> wrote:

> > <https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.8.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso>
> 
> Same problem also with this iso image: at the beginning the machine
> seems to boot into the Debian Installer menu, but when I enter it the
> screen becomes unreadable and all sticks and I have to restart the
> machine.

Just a shot in the dark:
maybe some firmware is missing or maybe the jessie kernel is too old,
some current driver version missing for your machine? Maybe you might
want to try a similar stretch installer version from

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/stretch_di_rc4/multi-arch/iso-cd/

Regards

Michael

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#181896

FromPascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org>
Date2017-06-07 20:20 +0200
Message-ID<tPNIK-1Ge-25@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181873
Le 07/06/2017 à 10:33, Rodolfo Medina a écrit :
>
>>> Some months ago I tried many times to install Debian on my Debian Acer One
>>> (tablet and laptop together) but always failed.  I used
>>> debian-8.7.1-amd64-netinst.iso.  Now we have debian-8.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso.
>>> Are you suggesting a different iso file?
>>
>> <https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.8.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso>
>
> Same problem also with this iso image: at the beginning the machine seems to
> boot into the Debian Installer menu, but when I enter it the screen becomes
> unreadable and all sticks and I have to restart the machine.

Did the installer start in EFI or BIOS/legacy mode ?
The installer boot menu tells when started in EFI mode.

Did you try all combinations of the following ?
- BIOS/legacy boot mode or EFI boot mode
- text-mode install or GUI install
- 32-bit install or 64-bit install

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#182016

FromRodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-10 15:50 +0200
Message-ID<tQOW5-7Ev-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181896
Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> writes:

> Le 07/06/2017 à 10:33, Rodolfo Medina a écrit :
>>
>>>> Some months ago I tried many times to install Debian on my Debian Acer One
>>>> (tablet and laptop together) but always failed.  I used
>>>> debian-8.7.1-amd64-netinst.iso.  Now we have
>>>> debian-8.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso.  Are you suggesting a different iso file?
>>>
>>> <https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.8.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso>
>>
>> Same problem also with this iso image: at the beginning the machine seems to
>> boot into the Debian Installer menu, but when I enter it the screen becomes
>> unreadable and all sticks and I have to restart the machine.
>
> Did the installer start in EFI or BIOS/legacy mode ?
> The installer boot menu tells when started in EFI mode.
>
> Did you try all combinations of the following ?
> - BIOS/legacy boot mode or EFI boot mode
> - text-mode install or GUI install
> - 32-bit install or 64-bit install

With USB Debian installation pendrive plugged in, pressing power button
together with volume up takes me into the front page of the PC settings: there
is:

 ->Boot Manager
 ->Device Manager
 ->Boot From File
 ->Administer Secure Boot
 ->Setup Utility

I enter `Boot Manager', and there are two possible options:

 Windows Boot Manager
 EFI USB Device (General UDisk)

I choose the second and here I am in Debian installation menu.  There is:

 Install
 64 bit install
 Graphical install
 64 bit graphical install
 Advanced options ...
 Install with speech synnthesis
 64 bit speech install

I tried with both Install and `64 bit install', and also, now, with `64 bit
graphical install'; and, in all those cases, what happens is that the image
becomes confused and the keyboard sticks and no command is more possible.  Then
I try to reboot with power button but the machine remains for many hours in
that state...  Then after many hours it turns off...

Thanks,

Rodolfo

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#182020

FromRichard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
Date2017-06-10 16:40 +0200
Message-ID<tQPIu-8h7-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#182016
On 06/10/2017 08:41 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> writes:
>
>> Le 07/06/2017 à 10:33, Rodolfo Medina a écrit :
>>>
>>>>> Some months ago I tried many times to install Debian on my Debian
>>>> Acer One ...

[*MASSIVE* SNIP]

>> Did you try all combinations of the following ?
>> - BIOS/legacy boot mode or EFI boot mode
>> - text-mode install or GUI install
>> - 32-bit install or 64-bit install
>

[large snip]

> Then I try to reboot with power button but the machine remains
> for many hours in that state...  Then after many hours it turns off...

I am NOT familiar with any Acer product. However, there is a useful 
feature in my assortment of Lenovo laptops and one desktop. It might be 
described as a "panic stop". It is triggered by pressing and holding the 
power button. It is *BRUTE* force and regularly causes Debian to run a 
disk diagnostic on the next boot. You might check Acer documentation or 
user group for a similar function.

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#182024

FromRichard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
Date2017-06-10 17:50 +0200
Message-ID<tQQOd-Am-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#182020
On 06/10/2017 09:38 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 06/10/2017 08:41 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>> Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> writes:
>>
>>> Le 07/06/2017 à 10:33, Rodolfo Medina a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>>> Some months ago I tried many times to install Debian on my Debian
>>>>> Acer One ...
>
> [*MASSIVE* SNIP]
>
>>> Did you try all combinations of the following ?
>>> - BIOS/legacy boot mode or EFI boot mode
>>> - text-mode install or GUI install
>>> - 32-bit install or 64-bit install
>>
>
> [large snip]
>
>> Then I try to reboot with power button but the machine remains
>> for many hours in that state...  Then after many hours it turns off...
>
> I am NOT familiar with any Acer product. However, there is a useful
> feature in my assortment of Lenovo laptops and one desktop. It might
> be described as a "panic stop". It is triggered by pressing and
> holding the power button. It is *BRUTE* force and regularly causes
> Debian to run adisk diagnostic on the next boot.
> You might check Acer documentation or user group for a similar
> function.
>

I just browsed back thru the thread and saw no mention of using a Live 
edition. These are available at:
<https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/>
and
<https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/>

That will help distinguish between specifically "installation issues" 
and "general suitability issues". What I'm thinking of is there some 
non-free software requirement that is causing atypical installation 
symptoms.

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#182025

FromRodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-10 18:00 +0200
Message-ID<tQQXU-Eo-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#182020
Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> writes:

> On 06/10/2017 08:41 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>> Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> writes:
>>
>>> Le 07/06/2017 à 10:33, Rodolfo Medina a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>>> Some months ago I tried many times to install Debian on my Debian
>>>>> Acer One ...
>
> [*MASSIVE* SNIP]
>
>>> Did you try all combinations of the following ?
>>> - BIOS/legacy boot mode or EFI boot mode
>>> - text-mode install or GUI install
>>> - 32-bit install or 64-bit install
>>
>
> [large snip]
>
>> Then I try to reboot with power button but the machine remains
>> for many hours in that state...  Then after many hours it turns off...
>
> I am NOT familiar with any Acer product. However, there is a useful feature
> in my assortment of Lenovo laptops and one desktop. It might be described as
> a "panic stop". It is triggered by pressing and holding the power button. It
> is *BRUTE* force and regularly causes Debian to run a disk diagnostic on the
> next boot. You might check Acer documentation or user group for a similar
> function.


Thanks...  but, as I described, Debian doesn't even manage to start up on that
machine...  and that's my problem...  I don't use Windows and so the machine is
there permanently unused, waiting and hoping for next Debian releases to work
in the next - not too far - future...

Rodolfo

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#182027

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2017-06-10 18:30 +0200
Message-ID<tQRqV-15C-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#182025
On Sat 10 Jun 2017 at 16:50:19 (+0100), Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> writes:
> > On 06/10/2017 08:41 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> >> Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> writes:
> >>> Le 07/06/2017 à 10:33, Rodolfo Medina a écrit :
> >>>>>> Some months ago I tried many times to install Debian on my Debian
> >>>>> Acer One ...
> >>> Did you try all combinations of the following ?
> >>> - BIOS/legacy boot mode or EFI boot mode
> >>> - text-mode install or GUI install
> >>> - 32-bit install or 64-bit install

I can't remember whether you said that you had tried an
entirely i386 install (ie using an i386 ISO).

> >> Then I try to reboot with power button but the machine remains
> >> for many hours in that state...  Then after many hours it turns off...
> >
> > I am NOT familiar with any Acer product. However, there is a useful feature
> > in my assortment of Lenovo laptops and one desktop. It might be described as
> > a "panic stop". It is triggered by pressing and holding the power button. It
> > is *BRUTE* force and regularly causes Debian to run a disk diagnostic on the
> > next boot. You might check Acer documentation or user group for a similar
> > function.
> 
> 
> Thanks...  but, as I described, Debian doesn't even manage to start up on that
> machine...  and that's my problem...  I don't use Windows and so the machine is
> there permanently unused, waiting and hoping for next Debian releases to work
> in the next - not too far - future...

It's many years since I had a laptop fail to stop when you
hold down the power button firmly for, say, 15 seconds.

The next step, of course, is to remove the battery pack, which
may or may not be straightforward.

I couldn't understand "regularly causes Debian to run a disk
diagnostic on the next boot" in this context. If partitions
haven't been mounted, there's no reason for them to get marked
as dirty.

OTOH what can happen is for a longer POST than normal to run.
Dells have a habit of doing this if you power off during a POST
or edit the CMOS.

Cheers,
David.

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#182030

FromRodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-10 19:30 +0200
Message-ID<tQSmZ-1Ld-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#182027
Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> writes:

> ~1 hr after my first post I also suggested trying a Live ISO.

Thanks, I'll be soon testing a Live iso and also Michael Lange's iso
suggestion...  Then I'll report here.

Rodolfo

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#182031

FromRichard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
Date2017-06-10 19:30 +0200
Message-ID<tQSmZ-1Ld-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#182027
On 06/10/2017 11:29 AM, David Wright wrote:
> On Sat 10 Jun 2017 at 16:50:19 (+0100), Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>> Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> writes:
>>> On 06/10/2017 08:41 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>>>> Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> writes:
>>>>> Le 07/06/2017 à 10:33, Rodolfo Medina a écrit :
>>>>>>>> Some months ago I tried many times to install Debian on my Debian
>>>>>>> Acer One ...
>>>>> Did you try all combinations of the following ?
>>>>> - BIOS/legacy boot mode or EFI boot mode
>>>>> - text-mode install or GUI install
>>>>> - 32-bit install or 64-bit install
>
> I can't remember whether you said that you had tried an
> entirely i386 install (ie using an i386 ISO).
>
>>>> Then I try to reboot with power button but the machine remains
>>>> for many hours in that state...  Then after many hours it turns off...
>>>
>>> I am NOT familiar with any Acer product. However, there is a useful feature
>>> in my assortment of Lenovo laptops and one desktop. It might be described as
>>> a "panic stop". It is triggered by pressing and holding the power button. It
>>> is *BRUTE* force and regularly causes Debian to run a disk diagnostic on the
>>> next boot. You might check Acer documentation or user group for a similar
>>> function.
>>
>>
>> Thanks...  but, as I described, Debian doesn't even manage to start up on that
>> machine...  and that's my problem...  I don't use Windows and so the machine is
>> there permanently unused, waiting and hoping for next Debian releases to work
>> in the next - not too far - future...
>
> It's many years since I had a laptop fail to stop when you
> hold down the power button firmly for, say, 15 seconds.
>
> The next step, of course, is to remove the battery pack, which
> may or may not be straightforward.
>
> I couldn't understand "regularly causes Debian to run a disk
> diagnostic on the next boot" in this context. If partitions
> haven't been mounted, there's no reason for them to get marked
> as dirty.

We have the same experience. My post was intended specifically to 
address his comment of "Then after many hours it turns off..."

I have one laptop set aside for experimenting with things which could in 
and of themselves destroy data. That machine currently has a valuable 
test setup on it so I can't report just what routine gets run on the reboot.

~1 hr after my first post I also suggested trying a Live ISO.

>
> OTOH what can happen is for a longer POST than normal to run.
> Dells have a habit of doing this if you power off during a POST
> or edit the CMOS.
>
> Cheers,
> David.
>
>

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#182029

FromRichard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
Date2017-06-10 19:20 +0200
Message-ID<tQSdk-1Hi-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#182025
On 06/10/2017 10:50 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> writes:
>
>> On 06/10/2017 08:41 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>>> Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> Le 07/06/2017 à 10:33, Rodolfo Medina a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some months ago I tried many times to install Debian on my Debian
>>>>>> Acer One ...
>>
>> [*MASSIVE* SNIP]
>>
>>>> Did you try all combinations of the following ?
>>>> - BIOS/legacy boot mode or EFI boot mode
>>>> - text-mode install or GUI install
>>>> - 32-bit install or 64-bit install
>>>
>>
>> [large snip]
>>
>>> Then I try to reboot with power button but the machine remains
>>> for many hours in that state...  Then after many hours it turns off...
>>
>> I am NOT familiar with any Acer product. However, there is a useful feature
>> in my assortment of Lenovo laptops and one desktop. It might be described as
>> a "panic stop". It is triggered by pressing and holding the power button. It
>> is *BRUTE* force and regularly causes Debian to run a disk diagnostic on the
>> next boot. You might check Acer documentation or user group for a similar
>> function.
>
>
> Thanks...  but, as I described, Debian doesn't even manage to start up on that
> machine...  and that's my problem...  I don't use Windows and so the machine is
> there permanently unused, waiting and hoping for next Debian releases to work
> in the next - not too far - future...
>

I made a second post almost simultaneous to you composing the post to 
which I am now responding.

In that post I was suggesting using a Live ISO to distinguish general 
hardware issues from strictly installer issues.

I suggest using
<https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-8.8.0-i386-standard.iso>

It is a command line only version of Debian -the lowest common 
denominator approach to what will run on your hardware.

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#182077

FromRodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-11 17:00 +0200
Message-ID<tRcvn-6jH-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#182029
Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> writes:

> I suggest using
> <https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-8.8.0-i386-standard.iso>
>
> It is a command line only version of Debian -the lowest common denominator
> approach to what will run on your hardware.


Impossible to boot from live iso, neither with Knoppix nor Debian...  It only
allows booting into Windows.  Instead, with non-live Debian iso, it is possible
to boot into USB stick but then, when you choose any item from Debian
Installation menu, everything sticks and display gets messed.

Rodolfo

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#182078

FromFelix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net>
Date2017-06-11 17:20 +0200
Message-ID<tRcOJ-6F7-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#182077
Rodolfo Medina composed on 2017-06-11 15:53 (UTC+0100):

> Impossible to boot from live iso, neither with Knoppix nor Debian...  It only
> allows booting into Windows.  Instead, with non-live Debian iso, it is possible
> to boot into USB stick but then, when you choose any item from Debian
> Installation menu, everything sticks and display gets messed.
.
Have you tried using Windows to start the Debian installer?
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Win32-loader
-- 
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

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