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  mws vs metar data, nsw 1, metar 0 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-10-19 05:40 +0200
    Re: mws vs metar data, nsw 1, metar 0 Peter Ludikovsky <peter@ludikovsky.name> - 2016-10-19 06:40 +0200
      Re: mws vs metar data, nsw 1, metar 0 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-10-19 11:10 +0200
        Re: mws vs metar data, nsw 1, metar 0 Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2016-10-19 11:20 +0200
          Re: mws vs metar data, nsw 1, metar 0 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-10-19 14:10 +0200
            Re: mws vs metar data, nsw 1, metar 0 Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2016-10-19 14:40 +0200
              Re: mws vs metar data, nsw 1, metar 0 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-10-19 16:10 +0200
                Re: mws vs metar data, nsw 1, metar 0 Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2016-10-19 16:20 +0200
                  Re: mws vs metar data, nsw 1, metar 0 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2016-10-19 17:20 +0200
                    Re: mws vs metar data, nsw 1, metar 0 Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2016-10-19 17:30 +0200

#173580 — mws vs metar data, nsw 1, metar 0

METAR is a std data format that has been used for many years. I've been 
using a gkrellm, with its plugin gk-weather for about a decade, but I've 
just become aware that the last time I got valid METAR data from the 
airport about 20 miles northeast of me was on July 28th.

So as a double-chk, I installed the metar program from the wheezy repo.
It reports:

gene@sheldon:~$ metar -v KCKB
Retrieving URL 
http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/stations/KCKB.TXT
METAR pattern not found in NOAA data.

So I switched to a slightly closer airport in Buchannon wv, and get the 
same response.

gene@sheldon:~$ metar -v KW22
Retrieving URL 
http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/stations/KW22.TXT
METAR pattern not found in NOAA data.

Poking around on the NOAA.gov main site, there is no mention of it being 
discontinued that is easily searched for.

Anybody have a light to shine on this?

Thanks everybody.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#173581

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When you visit the URL it's fetching there's a notice that the service
is no longer available:
"In Accordance with NWS Service Change Notice 16-16 this service has
been discontinued."

Regards,
/peter

Am 19.10.2016 um 05:32 schrieb Gene Heskett:
> METAR is a std data format that has been used for many years. I've been 
> using a gkrellm, with its plugin gk-weather for about a decade, but I've 
> just become aware that the last time I got valid METAR data from the 
> airport about 20 miles northeast of me was on July 28th.
> 
> So as a double-chk, I installed the metar program from the wheezy repo.
> It reports:
> 
> gene@sheldon:~$ metar -v KCKB
> Retrieving URL 
> http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/stations/KCKB.TXT
> METAR pattern not found in NOAA data.
> 
> So I switched to a slightly closer airport in Buchannon wv, and get the 
> same response.
> 
> gene@sheldon:~$ metar -v KW22
> Retrieving URL 
> http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/stations/KW22.TXT
> METAR pattern not found in NOAA data.
> 
> Poking around on the NOAA.gov main site, there is no mention of it being 
> discontinued that is easily searched for.
> 
> Anybody have a light to shine on this?
> 
> Thanks everybody.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> 

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#173584

On Wednesday 19 October 2016 00:33:29 Peter Ludikovsky wrote:

> When you visit the URL it's fetching there's a notice that the service
> is no longer available:
> "In Accordance with NWS Service Change Notice 16-16 this service has
> been discontinued."
>
> Regards,
> /peter
>
And replaced by what? 

I did find that quoted phrase in my searching, but not that Change Notice 
16-16. itself.

But using that phrase, I did find it, and the request for comments that 
was published a few months before, along with some contact names, one of 
which has now been sent a query about its replacement.

Thanks Peter.

> Am 19.10.2016 um 05:32 schrieb Gene Heskett:
> > METAR is a std data format that has been used for many years. I've
> > been using a gkrellm, with its plugin gk-weather for about a decade,
> > but I've just become aware that the last time I got valid METAR data
> > from the airport about 20 miles northeast of me was on July 28th.
> >
> > So as a double-chk, I installed the metar program from the wheezy
> > repo. It reports:
> >
> > gene@sheldon:~$ metar -v KCKB
> > Retrieving URL
> > http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/stations/KCKB.TX
> >T METAR pattern not found in NOAA data.
> >
> > So I switched to a slightly closer airport in Buchannon wv, and get
> > the same response.
> >
> > gene@sheldon:~$ metar -v KW22
> > Retrieving URL
> > http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/stations/KW22.TX
> >T METAR pattern not found in NOAA data.
> >
> > Poking around on the NOAA.gov main site, there is no mention of it
> > being discontinued that is easily searched for.
> >
> > Anybody have a light to shine on this?
> >
> > Thanks everybody.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#173585

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 05:09:05AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>On Wednesday 19 October 2016 00:33:29 Peter Ludikovsky wrote:
>
>> When you visit the URL it's fetching there's a notice that the service
>> is no longer available:
>> "In Accordance with NWS Service Change Notice 16-16 this service has
>> been discontinued."
>>
>> Regards,
>> /peter
>>
>And replaced by what?
>
>I did find that quoted phrase in my searching, but not that Change Notice
>16-16. itself.

Really? I searched for "NWS Service Change Notice 16-16" (no quotes) and 
this www.nws.noaa.gov/om/notification/scn16-16wngccb.htm was the first 
result. It states that weather.gov now supplies all the appropriate 
information, so weather.noaa.gov is no longer needed.

>
>But using that phrase, I did find it, and the request for comments that
>was published a few months before, along with some contact names, one of
>which has now been sent a query about its replacement.
>
>Thanks Peter.
>
>> Am 19.10.2016 um 05:32 schrieb Gene Heskett:
>> > METAR is a std data format that has been used for many years. I've
>> > been using a gkrellm, with its plugin gk-weather for about a decade,
>> > but I've just become aware that the last time I got valid METAR data
>> > from the airport about 20 miles northeast of me was on July 28th.
>> >
>> > So as a double-chk, I installed the metar program from the wheezy
>> > repo. It reports:
>> >
>> > gene@sheldon:~$ metar -v KCKB
>> > Retrieving URL
>> > http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/stations/KCKB.TX
>> >T METAR pattern not found in NOAA data.
>> >
>> > So I switched to a slightly closer airport in Buchannon wv, and get
>> > the same response.
>> >
>> > gene@sheldon:~$ metar -v KW22
>> > Retrieving URL
>> > http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/stations/KW22.TX
>> >T METAR pattern not found in NOAA data.
>> >
>> > Poking around on the NOAA.gov main site, there is no mention of it
>> > being discontinued that is easily searched for.
>> >
>> > Anybody have a light to shine on this?
>> >
>> > Thanks everybody.
>> >
>> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
>
>Cheers, Gene Heskett
>-- 
>"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
>-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
>Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
>

-- 
For more information, please reread.

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#173589

On Wednesday 19 October 2016 05:14:46 Darac Marjal wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 05:09:05AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >On Wednesday 19 October 2016 00:33:29 Peter Ludikovsky wrote:
> >> When you visit the URL it's fetching there's a notice that the
> >> service is no longer available:
> >> "In Accordance with NWS Service Change Notice 16-16 this service
> >> has been discontinued."
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> /peter
> >
> >And replaced by what?
> >
> >I did find that quoted phrase in my searching, but not that Change
> > Notice 16-16. itself.
>
> Really? I searched for "NWS Service Change Notice 16-16" (no quotes)
> and this www.nws.noaa.gov/om/notification/scn16-16wngccb.htm was the
> first result. It states that weather.gov now supplies all the
> appropriate information, so weather.noaa.gov is no longer needed.

I khexedited the deamon, found that address string and changed it to 
http://www.weather.gov. but on a restart, that gives a 404 error about 
once a minute.  I'll go recheck that weather.gov site & see if I can get 
any schmardter.

I found the data for the local, actually under the correct label, but its 
going to be fun editing that path into that binary. I would assume the 
KCKB.TXT isn't needed because thats a different, editable entry in the 
config

http://tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/data/observations/metar/stations/KCKB.TXT

Editing that into the .so apparently exceeds the string length even if I 
was over-writing $00's to do it, I now get a segfault and it exits. The 
deamon however does start ok.  I'll reinstall, so at least the rest of 
gkrellm works.
 
> >But using that phrase, I did find it, and the request for comments
> > that was published a few months before, along with some contact
> > names, one of which has now been sent a query about its replacement.
> >
> >Thanks Peter.
> >
> >> Am 19.10.2016 um 05:32 schrieb Gene Heskett:
> >> > METAR is a std data format that has been used for many years.
> >> > I've been using a gkrellm, with its plugin gk-weather for about a
> >> > decade, but I've just become aware that the last time I got valid
> >> > METAR data from the airport about 20 miles northeast of me was on
> >> > July 28th.
> >> >
> >> > So as a double-chk, I installed the metar program from the wheezy
> >> > repo. It reports:
> >> >
> >> > gene@sheldon:~$ metar -v KCKB
> >> > Retrieving URL
> >> > http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/stations/KCKB
> >> >.TX T METAR pattern not found in NOAA data.
> >> >
> >> > So I switched to a slightly closer airport in Buchannon wv, and
> >> > get the same response.
> >> >
> >> > gene@sheldon:~$ metar -v KW22
> >> > Retrieving URL
> >> > http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/stations/KW22
> >> >.TX T METAR pattern not found in NOAA data.
> >> >
> >> > Poking around on the NOAA.gov main site, there is no mention of
> >> > it being discontinued that is easily searched for.
> >> >
> >> > Anybody have a light to shine on this?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks everybody.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> >
> >Cheers, Gene Heskett
> >--
> >"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> >-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> >Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#173590

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 08:01:59AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>On Wednesday 19 October 2016 05:14:46 Darac Marjal wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 05:09:05AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> >On Wednesday 19 October 2016 00:33:29 Peter Ludikovsky wrote:
>> >> When you visit the URL it's fetching there's a notice that the
>> >> service is no longer available:
>> >> "In Accordance with NWS Service Change Notice 16-16 this service
>> >> has been discontinued."
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> /peter
>> >
>> >And replaced by what?
>> >
>> >I did find that quoted phrase in my searching, but not that Change
>> > Notice 16-16. itself.
>>
>> Really? I searched for "NWS Service Change Notice 16-16" (no quotes)
>> and this www.nws.noaa.gov/om/notification/scn16-16wngccb.htm was the
>> first result. It states that weather.gov now supplies all the
>> appropriate information, so weather.noaa.gov is no longer needed.
>
>I khexedited the deamon, found that address string and changed it to
>http://www.weather.gov. but on a restart, that gives a 404 error about
>once a minute.  I'll go recheck that weather.gov site & see if I can get
>any schmardter.

There was much ballyhoo a while ago about Debian distributing the 
"preferred modification source" (or words to that effect). The argument 
was, IIRC, to do with "minified" javascript files; that is, javascript 
files which have had all unnecessary whitespace removed so that they 
download a little quicker in the browser. It was argued that no-one in 
their right mind would try to actually work with the minified 
javascript, and that Debian should be distributing the original file and 
converting it to a minified version at "compile time".

The same goes for just about all Debian packages: what's in the *.deb is 
not necessarily the "preferred modification source". In the case of an 
executable program, there will be C (or C++ or Perl or Python or Ada or 
...) source code which is compiled to produce that executable. Source 
code which Debian uses. Source code which Debian DISTRIBUTES freely.  
Source code which you can download yourself, modify yourself, compile 
yourself.

What I'm trying to say is: don't go modifying the executable! Edit the 
source code and recompile it!

And if you want to know what changes to make, gkrellweather already has 
a bug against it (#863347 https://bugs.debian.org/836347) which includes 
a patch fixing the problem.

>
>I found the data for the local, actually under the correct label, but its
>going to be fun editing that path into that binary. I would assume the
>KCKB.TXT isn't needed because thats a different, editable entry in the
>config
>
>http://tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/data/observations/metar/stations/KCKB.TXT
>
>Editing that into the .so apparently exceeds the string length even if I
>was over-writing $00's to do it, I now get a segfault and it exits. The
>deamon however does start ok.  I'll reinstall, so at least the rest of
>gkrellm works.
>
>> >But using that phrase, I did find it, and the request for comments
>> > that was published a few months before, along with some contact
>> > names, one of which has now been sent a query about its replacement.
>> >
>> >Thanks Peter.
>> >
>> >> Am 19.10.2016 um 05:32 schrieb Gene Heskett:
>> >> > METAR is a std data format that has been used for many years.
>> >> > I've been using a gkrellm, with its plugin gk-weather for about a
>> >> > decade, but I've just become aware that the last time I got valid
>> >> > METAR data from the airport about 20 miles northeast of me was on
>> >> > July 28th.
>> >> >
>> >> > So as a double-chk, I installed the metar program from the wheezy
>> >> > repo. It reports:
>> >> >
>> >> > gene@sheldon:~$ metar -v KCKB
>> >> > Retrieving URL
>> >> > http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/stations/KCKB
>> >> >.TX T METAR pattern not found in NOAA data.
>> >> >
>> >> > So I switched to a slightly closer airport in Buchannon wv, and
>> >> > get the same response.
>> >> >
>> >> > gene@sheldon:~$ metar -v KW22
>> >> > Retrieving URL
>> >> > http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/stations/KW22
>> >> >.TX T METAR pattern not found in NOAA data.
>> >> >
>> >> > Poking around on the NOAA.gov main site, there is no mention of
>> >> > it being discontinued that is easily searched for.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anybody have a light to shine on this?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks everybody.
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>> >
>> >Cheers, Gene Heskett
>> >--
>> >"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>> > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
>> >-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
>> >Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
>
>
>Cheers, Gene Heskett
>-- 
>"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
>-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
>Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
>

-- 
For more information, please reread.

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#173591

On Wednesday 19 October 2016 08:38:29 Darac Marjal wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 08:01:59AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >On Wednesday 19 October 2016 05:14:46 Darac Marjal wrote:
> >> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 05:09:05AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> >On Wednesday 19 October 2016 00:33:29 Peter Ludikovsky wrote:
> >> >> When you visit the URL it's fetching there's a notice that the
> >> >> service is no longer available:
> >> >> "In Accordance with NWS Service Change Notice 16-16 this service
> >> >> has been discontinued."
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> /peter
> >> >
> >> >And replaced by what?
> >> >
> >> >I did find that quoted phrase in my searching, but not that Change
> >> > Notice 16-16. itself.
> >>
> >> Really? I searched for "NWS Service Change Notice 16-16" (no
> >> quotes) and this
> >> www.nws.noaa.gov/om/notification/scn16-16wngccb.htm was the first
> >> result. It states that weather.gov now supplies all the appropriate
> >> information, so weather.noaa.gov is no longer needed.
> >
> >I khexedited the deamon, found that address string and changed it to
> >http://www.weather.gov. but on a restart, that gives a 404 error
> > about once a minute.  I'll go recheck that weather.gov site & see if
> > I can get any schmardter.
>
> There was much ballyhoo a while ago about Debian distributing the
> "preferred modification source" (or words to that effect). The
> argument was, IIRC, to do with "minified" javascript files; that is,
> javascript files which have had all unnecessary whitespace removed so
> that they download a little quicker in the browser. It was argued that
> no-one in their right mind would try to actually work with the
> minified javascript, and that Debian should be distributing the
> original file and converting it to a minified version at "compile
> time".
>
> The same goes for just about all Debian packages: what's in the *.deb
> is not necessarily the "preferred modification source". In the case of
> an executable program, there will be C (or C++ or Perl or Python or
> Ada or ...) source code which is compiled to produce that executable.
> Source code which Debian uses. Source code which Debian DISTRIBUTES
> freely. Source code which you can download yourself, modify yourself,
> compile yourself.
>
> What I'm trying to say is: don't go modifying the executable! Edit the
> source code and recompile it!
>
> And if you want to know what changes to make, gkrellweather already
> has a bug against it (#863347 https://bugs.debian.org/836347) which
> includes a patch fixing the problem.

Excellent, but will it get to the repo's?  And I'd assume the 
standalone "metar" app will need the same fixing?

> >I found the data for the local, actually under the correct label, but
> > its going to be fun editing that path into that binary. I would
> > assume the KCKB.TXT isn't needed because thats a different, editable
> > entry in the config
> >
> >http://tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/data/observations/metar/stations/KCKB.TXT
> >
> >Editing that into the .so apparently exceeds the string length even
> > if I was over-writing $00's to do it, I now get a segfault and it
> > exits. The deamon however does start ok.  I'll reinstall, so at
> > least the rest of gkrellm works.
> >
> >> >But using that phrase, I did find it, and the request for comments
> >> > that was published a few months before, along with some contact
> >> > names, one of which has now been sent a query about its
> >> > replacement.
> >> >
> >> >Thanks Peter.
> >> >
> >> >> Am 19.10.2016 um 05:32 schrieb Gene Heskett:
> >> >> > METAR is a std data format that has been used for many years.
> >> >> > I've been using a gkrellm, with its plugin gk-weather for
> >> >> > about a decade, but I've just become aware that the last time
> >> >> > I got valid METAR data from the airport about 20 miles
> >> >> > northeast of me was on July 28th.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So as a double-chk, I installed the metar program from the
> >> >> > wheezy repo. It reports:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > gene@sheldon:~$ metar -v KCKB
> >> >> > Retrieving URL
> >> >> > http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/stations/K
> >> >> >CKB .TX T METAR pattern not found in NOAA data.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So I switched to a slightly closer airport in Buchannon wv,
> >> >> > and get the same response.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > gene@sheldon:~$ metar -v KW22
> >> >> > Retrieving URL
> >> >> > http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/stations/K
> >> >> >W22 .TX T METAR pattern not found in NOAA data.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Poking around on the NOAA.gov main site, there is no mention
> >> >> > of it being discontinued that is easily searched for.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Anybody have a light to shine on this?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks everybody.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> >> >
> >> >Cheers, Gene Heskett
> >> >--
> >> >"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> >> > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> >> >-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> >> >Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
> >
> >Cheers, Gene Heskett
> >--
> >"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> >-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> >Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#173593

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 09:59:55AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>On Wednesday 19 October 2016 08:38:29 Darac Marjal wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 08:01:59AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> >On Wednesday 19 October 2016 05:14:46 Darac Marjal wrote:
>> >> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 05:09:05AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> >> >On Wednesday 19 October 2016 00:33:29 Peter Ludikovsky wrote:
>> >> >> When you visit the URL it's fetching there's a notice that the
>> >> >> service is no longer available:
>> >> >> "In Accordance with NWS Service Change Notice 16-16 this service
>> >> >> has been discontinued."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> /peter
>> >> >
>> >> >And replaced by what?
>> >> >
>> >> >I did find that quoted phrase in my searching, but not that Change
>> >> > Notice 16-16. itself.
>> >>
>> >> Really? I searched for "NWS Service Change Notice 16-16" (no
>> >> quotes) and this
>> >> www.nws.noaa.gov/om/notification/scn16-16wngccb.htm was the first
>> >> result. It states that weather.gov now supplies all the appropriate
>> >> information, so weather.noaa.gov is no longer needed.
>> >
>> >I khexedited the deamon, found that address string and changed it to
>> >http://www.weather.gov. but on a restart, that gives a 404 error
>> > about once a minute.  I'll go recheck that weather.gov site & see if
>> > I can get any schmardter.
>>
>> There was much ballyhoo a while ago about Debian distributing the
>> "preferred modification source" (or words to that effect). The
>> argument was, IIRC, to do with "minified" javascript files; that is,
>> javascript files which have had all unnecessary whitespace removed so
>> that they download a little quicker in the browser. It was argued that
>> no-one in their right mind would try to actually work with the
>> minified javascript, and that Debian should be distributing the
>> original file and converting it to a minified version at "compile
>> time".
>>
>> The same goes for just about all Debian packages: what's in the *.deb
>> is not necessarily the "preferred modification source". In the case of
>> an executable program, there will be C (or C++ or Perl or Python or
>> Ada or ...) source code which is compiled to produce that executable.
>> Source code which Debian uses. Source code which Debian DISTRIBUTES
>> freely. Source code which you can download yourself, modify yourself,
>> compile yourself.
>>
>> What I'm trying to say is: don't go modifying the executable! Edit the
>> source code and recompile it!
>>
>> And if you want to know what changes to make, gkrellweather already
>> has a bug against it (#863347 https://bugs.debian.org/836347) which
>> includes a patch fixing the problem.
>
>Excellent, but will it get to the repo's?  And I'd assume the
>standalone "metar" app will need the same fixing?

Well, in theory, once bug 863347 is fixed, yes, it'll get released at 
some point. The bug is marked as "grave" AND has a patch, so it 
shouldn't be too hard to get it into the next release of Debian 
(stretch). With regards to Jessie, well it's not a security-related 
change so it probably wouldn't be released, but it may well be 
back-ported, but I don't know what the policy is there (does someone 
need to request the backport, for example?)

With regards to 'metar', that, too, has a bug against it (#833655 
https://bugs.debian.org/833655), which is marked as "fixed in metar 
20061030.1-2.2"). So, again, that should be released in stretch, too).

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#173599

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, at 12:13, Darac Marjal wrote:
> Well, in theory, once bug 863347 is fixed, yes, it'll get released at 
> some point. The bug is marked as "grave" AND has a patch, so it 
> shouldn't be too hard to get it into the next release of Debian 
> (stretch). With regards to Jessie, well it's not a security-related 
> change so it probably wouldn't be released, but it may well be 
> back-ported, but I don't know what the policy is there (does someone 
> need to request the backport, for example?)

The policy is that we want to, and do fix grave bugs in stable (and even
in oldstable) when possible, yes.

That said, for it to happen at all, the maintainer needs to prepare and
thoroughly test the update, and file a bug requesting approval from the
stable release managers.  The procedure is in the developer's manual,
and "reportbug release.debian.org" knows about it, too.

AFAIK (and IME) *regression risk* and *impact* are the main reasons why
an update would be (or wouldn't be) considered suitable for stable or
oldstable.   I have no idea where people got the notion that we would
restrict stable updates to security fixes only, but it is incorrect.

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#173600

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 01:11:28PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
>On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, at 12:13, Darac Marjal wrote:
>> Well, in theory, once bug 863347 is fixed, yes, it'll get released at
>> some point. The bug is marked as "grave" AND has a patch, so it
>> shouldn't be too hard to get it into the next release of Debian
>> (stretch). With regards to Jessie, well it's not a security-related
>> change so it probably wouldn't be released, but it may well be
>> back-ported, but I don't know what the policy is there (does someone
>> need to request the backport, for example?)
>
>The policy is that we want to, and do fix grave bugs in stable (and even
>in oldstable) when possible, yes.
>
>That said, for it to happen at all, the maintainer needs to prepare and
>thoroughly test the update, and file a bug requesting approval from the
>stable release managers.  The procedure is in the developer's manual,
>and "reportbug release.debian.org" knows about it, too.
>
>AFAIK (and IME) *regression risk* and *impact* are the main reasons why
>an update would be (or wouldn't be) considered suitable for stable or
>oldstable.   I have no idea where people got the notion that we would
>restrict stable updates to security fixes only, but it is incorrect.

I stand corrected. Thank you :)

>
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