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Sound on jessie

Started byAlan McConnell <alan@his.com>
First post2016-09-16 19:50 +0200
Last post2016-09-18 15:40 +0200
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  Sound on jessie Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-09-16 19:50 +0200
    Re: Sound on jessie steef <debian.linux@home.nl> - 2016-09-16 20:40 +0200
    Re: Sound on jessie Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-09-16 21:00 +0200
      Re: Sound on jessie deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 09:00 +0200
        Re: Sound on jessie Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2016-09-17 09:40 +0200
        Re: Sound on jessie Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-09-17 10:00 +0200
          Re: Sound on jessie rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-09-17 15:10 +0200
            Re: Sound on jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 00:00 +0200
        Re: Sound on jessie Anthony Baldwin <baldwinlinguas@gmx.com> - 2016-09-17 14:20 +0200
          Re: Sound on jessie Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-09-17 15:50 +0200
            Re: Sound on jessie Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 16:40 +0200
            Re: Sound on jessie deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 18:20 +0200
              Re: Sound on jessie Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-09-17 18:50 +0200
                Re: Sound on jessie Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-09-17 21:50 +0200
                  Re: Sound on jessie Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-09-17 23:00 +0200
                    Re: Sound on jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 00:10 +0200
                    Re: Sound on jessie deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 01:10 +0200
              Re: Sound on jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 00:00 +0200
                Re: Sound on jessie deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 00:50 +0200
                  Re: Sound on jessie Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-09-18 14:10 +0200
                    Re: Sound on jessie Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-19 20:20 +0200
            Re: Sound on jessie Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-17 19:20 +0200
            Re: Sound on jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 00:00 +0200
              Re: Sound on Jessie Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-18 02:20 +0200
                Re: Sound on Jessie Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-18 12:20 +0200
                  Re: Sound on Jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 14:00 +0200
                    Re: Sound on Jessie Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-18 19:50 +0200
              Re: Sound on Jessie Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-18 02:20 +0200
              Re: Sound on jessie Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-09-18 15:40 +0200

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#172479

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2016-09-19 20:20 +0200
Message-ID<sjbkB-rF-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#172386
On Sun 18 Sep 2016 at 12:05:15 +0000, Curt wrote:

> On 2016-09-17, deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >
> >> He keeps saying that he is using Jessie.  Why do you think he is using
> >> Ubuntu?
> > Sorry I seem to have misread something.
> >
> 
> Easy to do in these protracted, tangential, niggling threads that
> devolve into acrimony and invidiousness before expiring in a liminal
> whimper.

Stick to the day job; your prophecy skills leave much to be desired. No
acrimony; no invidiousness; no whimpers. Just complete silence from the
OP in response to requested information.

-- 
Brian.

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#172353

FromFelix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net>
Date2016-09-17 19:20 +0200
Message-ID<sirrs-5ma-31@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#172342
Alan McConnell composed on 2016-09-17 09:43 (UTC-0400):

> Alan, who is pleased at least to be able to get on line from his jessie install

Those who helped, and those who use Google, deserve an update to the original 
thread explaining that you solved the problem, and as best you can, how you 
did it/what the problem was.
-- 
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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#172361

FromLisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-18 00:00 +0200
Message-ID<sivOu-7RU-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#172342
On Saturday 17 September 2016 14:43:04 Alan McConnell wrote:
> Alas for the days of wheezy, when everything _worked_!!

Wheezy is LTS (though admittedly more successfully for servers), so if 
everything Just Worked, and you liked it, why did you change?  There are 
indeed valid reasons, but what is yours?

Lisi

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#172370

FromFelix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net>
Date2016-09-18 02:20 +0200
Message-ID<sixZT-US-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#172361
Lisi Reisz composed on 2016-09-17 11:56 (UTC+0100):

> Alan McConnell wrote:

>> Alas for the days of wheezy, when everything _worked_!!

> Wheezy is LTS (though admittedly more successfully for servers), so if
> everything Just Worked, and you liked it, why did you change?  There are
> indeed valid reasons, but what is yours?

I sense Alan expects everyone here has read and remembers every post he has 
written. He told us his, though indirectly:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/09/msg00296.html

Synopsis:
Wheezy was on old puter, with mature hardware supported by FOSS.
Jessie is on new (unspecified model) Dell (with Win10), with unknown hardware 
with unknown FOSS support.

New puter's design date is *probably* newer than Jessie, which would mean 
problems can be *expected*, because he's not tried an OS that's newer than 
his puter, such as Stretch.

Win10 works without problems because Dell made sure of it. Dell didn't do 
that with Jessie or any other Debian, and probably with no other Linux either.

If Alan wants serious help, he needs to stop keeping his hardware info 
secret. Ordinarily I would expect he could share the copious output provided 
by alsa-info.sh, but it seems to be absent from Jessie, so he would need to 
find it elsewhere in order to run it, e.g.:
http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=a59c5f2edf8a61119a94d34a5d8afc13703f0b71
-- 
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

  Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

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#172383

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2016-09-18 12:20 +0200
Message-ID<siHmy-6RB-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#172370
On Sat 17 Sep 2016 at 20:10:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

> Lisi Reisz composed on 2016-09-17 11:56 (UTC+0100):
> 
> >Alan McConnell wrote:
> 
> >>Alas for the days of wheezy, when everything _worked_!!
> 
> >Wheezy is LTS (though admittedly more successfully for servers), so if
> >everything Just Worked, and you liked it, why did you change?  There are
> >indeed valid reasons, but what is yours?
> 
> I sense Alan expects everyone here has read and remembers every post he has
> written. He told us his, though indirectly:
> 
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/09/msg00296.html
> 
> Synopsis:
> Wheezy was on old puter, with mature hardware supported by FOSS.
> Jessie is on new (unspecified model) Dell (with Win10), with unknown
> hardware with unknown FOSS support.

Contrasting the behaviour of machine A with machine B (worked on my old
machine, works fine with Windows etc) and indulging in nostalgia is only
of passing interest when the objective is to get an aspect of machine A
to function. If is like telling a doctor you ran a marathon every week
twenty years ago when the present issue is having two broken legs.

> New puter's design date is *probably* newer than Jessie, which would mean
> problems can be *expected*, because he's not tried an OS that's newer than
> his puter, such as Stretch.
> 
> Win10 works without problems because Dell made sure of it. Dell didn't do
> that with Jessie or any other Debian, and probably with no other Linux
> either.

Information about the audio card can be extracted from the output of
'lspci -v'. It could even be publicised here as an a aid to diagnosis.

ALSA is built into the kernel so it is fruitless expecting to find
packages to install it. However 'lsmod | grep snd' would be useful for
people to see.

> If Alan wants serious help, he needs to stop keeping his hardware info
> secret. Ordinarily I would expect he could share the copious output provided
> by alsa-info.sh, but it seems to be absent from Jessie, so he would need to
> find it elsewhere in order to run it, e.g.:
> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=a59c5f2edf8a61119a94d34a5d8afc13703f0b71

Pulseaudio is sometimes thought to be the culprit in audio issues. It
can be taken out of the picture with 'apt-get purge pulseaudio'
(reinstatement is easy) and any other sound-related packages installed
in an endeavour to solve the problem also purged.

Besides the nature of the hardware a bunch of users would be interested
in its capabilities. 'aplay -L' and 'amixer' would go some way to
satisfying their curiosity.

Meanwhile, the device might spring into life and consequently the four
outputs of interest would not be needed.

-- 
Brian.

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#172385

FromLisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-18 14:00 +0200
Message-ID<siIVj-7Dy-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#172383
On Sunday 18 September 2016 11:13:03 Brian wrote:
> > Lisi Reisz composed on 2016-09-17 11:56 (UTC+0100):
> > >Alan McConnell wrote:
> > >>Alas for the days of wheezy, when everything _worked_!!
> > >
> > >Wheezy is LTS (though admittedly more successfully for servers), so if
> > >everything Just Worked, and you liked it, why did you change?  There are
> > >indeed valid reasons, but what is yours?
> >
> > I sense Alan expects everyone here has read and remembers every post he
> > has written. He told us his, though indirectly:
> >
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/09/msg00296.html
> >
> > Synopsis:
> > Wheezy was on old puter, with mature hardware supported by FOSS.
> > Jessie is on new (unspecified model) Dell (with Win10), with unknown
> > hardware with unknown FOSS support.
>
> Contrasting the behaviour of machine A with machine B (worked on my old
> machine, works fine with Windows etc) and indulging in nostalgia is only
> of passing interest when the objective is to get an aspect of machine A
> to function. If is like telling a doctor you ran a marathon every week
> twenty years ago when the present issue is having two broken legs.

Yes.  Someone had referred to upgrading and I mistakenly followed it.  My 
memory isn't up to yours or his.  Mea culpa.  I have elsewhere asked whether 
the chip was a Skylake.  That can cause problems with Jessie (sound was one 
of them).  Been there.  Done that.  Got the very bloody tee-shirt.  I did, 
elsewhere in the thread, ask why he didn't use something other than Jessie, 
which might suit better.  I was actually thinking of Stretch or Mint.  (I 
woudl use Stretch. ;-)  )  But any more modern distro might get on better 
with what may be very modern (certainly fairly recent) hardware.

(Why didn't I use Stretch, instead of Skylake with Jessie?  It wasn't my  
computer, and would have involved using either another DE or not-yet-ready 
software.)

Lisi

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#172395

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2016-09-18 19:50 +0200
Message-ID<siOo1-2C0-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#172385
On Sun 18 Sep 2016 at 12:55:13 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Sunday 18 September 2016 11:13:03 Brian wrote:
> > > Lisi Reisz composed on 2016-09-17 11:56 (UTC+0100):
> > > >Alan McConnell wrote:
> > > >>Alas for the days of wheezy, when everything _worked_!!
> > > >
> > > >Wheezy is LTS (though admittedly more successfully for servers), so if
> > > >everything Just Worked, and you liked it, why did you change?  There are
> > > >indeed valid reasons, but what is yours?
> > >
> > > I sense Alan expects everyone here has read and remembers every post he
> > > has written. He told us his, though indirectly:
> > >
> > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/09/msg00296.html
> > >
> > > Synopsis:
> > > Wheezy was on old puter, with mature hardware supported by FOSS.
> > > Jessie is on new (unspecified model) Dell (with Win10), with unknown
> > > hardware with unknown FOSS support.
> >
> > Contrasting the behaviour of machine A with machine B (worked on my old
> > machine, works fine with Windows etc) and indulging in nostalgia is only
> > of passing interest when the objective is to get an aspect of machine A
> > to function. If is like telling a doctor you ran a marathon every week
> > twenty years ago when the present issue is having two broken legs.
> 
> Yes.  Someone had referred to upgrading and I mistakenly followed it.  My 
> memory isn't up to yours or his.  Mea culpa.  I have elsewhere asked whether 
> the chip was a Skylake.  That can cause problems with Jessie (sound was one 
> of them).  Been there.  Done that.  Got the very bloody tee-shirt.  I did,

I don't believe we know the make and model (Dell?) being used; it could
be a factor in forming a solution. Who knows? (Rhetorical, we all know
who knows). Add it to to the list of hoarded useful information.

I recollect your tussle with a Skylake machine. You were your usual
informative self and co-operated with the troubleshooting process; wear
the tee-shirt with pride. :) We have more tee-shirts to hand out but
a quality claimant in this thread looks less and less likely.

> elsewhere in the thread, ask why he didn't use something other than Jessie, 
> which might suit better.  I was actually thinking of Stretch or Mint.  (I 
> woudl use Stretch. ;-)  )  But any more modern distro might get on better 
> with what may be very modern (certainly fairly recent) hardware.

Jessie isn't that old (2015) but things do move on, so when there a
hardware problem (and we do not know that in this case) stable/testing
is a good jumping off point.
 
> (Why didn't I use Stretch, instead of Skylake with Jessie?  It wasn't my  
> computer, and would have involved using either another DE or not-yet-ready 
> software.)

Lucky you, being able to play with machines of others. I only have the
opportunity to muck up my own.

-- 
Brian.

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#172371

FromFelix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net>
Date2016-09-18 02:20 +0200
Message-ID<sixZT-US-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#172361
Lisi Reisz composed on 2016-09-17 11:56 (UTC+0100):

> Alan McConnell wrote:

>> Alas for the days of wheezy, when everything _worked_!!

> Wheezy is LTS (though admittedly more successfully for servers), so if
> everything Just Worked, and you liked it, why did you change?  There are
> indeed valid reasons, but what is yours?

I sense Alan expects everyone here has read and remembers every post he has 
written. He told us his, though indirectly:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/09/msg00296.html

Synopsis:
Wheezy was on old puter, with mature hardware supported by FOSS.
Jessie is on new (unspecified model) Dell (with Win10), with unknown hardware 
with unknown FOSS support.

New puter's design date is *probably* newer than Jessie, which would mean 
problems can be *expected*, because he's not tried an OS that's newer than 
his puter, such as Stretch.

Win10 works without problems because Dell made sure of it. Dell didn't do 
that with Jessie or any other Debian, and probably with no other Linux either.

If Alan wants serious help, he needs to stop keeping his hardware info 
secret. Ordinarily I would expect he could share the copious output provided 
by alsa-info.sh, but it seems to be absent from Jessie, so he would need to 
find it elsewhere in order to run it, e.g.:
http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=a59c5f2edf8a61119a94d34a5d8afc13703f0b71

cf. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=531005
-- 
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

   Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

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#172387

FromAlan McConnell <alan@his.com>
Date2016-09-18 15:40 +0200
Message-ID<siKu5-f7-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#172361

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisi Reisz" <lisi.reisz@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 5:56:13 PM
Subject: Re: Sound on jessie

On Saturday 17 September 2016 14:43:04 Alan McConnell wrote:
> Alas for the days of wheezy, when everything _worked_!!

Wheezy is LTS (though admittedly more successfully for servers), so if 
everything Just Worked, and you liked it, why did you change?  There are 
indeed valid reasons, but what is yours?
       Lisi, as you must know, Debian moves on; eventually Stable becomes
       Old-stable, and after a while support, especially security support
       disappears.  I have been using Debian at least since Sarge.  I forget
       the different Toy Story names(potato, squeeze. etc), but I eventually
       went to wheezy, which is now very old.  I have never had trouble
       moving from one Debian to the next.  Until now.  jessie has given
       me immense trouble, vastly more than any other installation.  Knowing
       what I know now: perhaps I should have stayed with wheezy until
       stretch became stable.

       I hope that answers your question.  I don't think the above answer helps
       you, or anyone else, to solve my problems(the one remaining one, after
       all this time and effort, is _sound_/alsa).  But I am trying to be
       cooperative.

       In another related post you ask:
By what method did you try and what reason have you to think that it is
already installed?
       You are referring to alsa.  My answer: I have alsa-utils in my
       /etc/init.d/, and I have looked at this script.  I get no complaint
       from it upon booting.

Best wishes,

Alan

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