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  New firefox isn't working Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-25 16:50 +0100
    Re: New firefox isn't working Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2016-03-25 23:50 +0100
      Re: New firefox isn't working Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 00:40 +0100
      Re: New firefox isn't working Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-26 02:20 +0100
        Grossly OT - WW2 start Tony van der Hoff <tony@vanderhoff.org> - 2016-03-26 13:30 +0100
          Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 14:40 +0100
            Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Haines Brown <haines@histomat.net> - 2016-03-26 15:00 +0100
              Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 11:50 +0200
                Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Glenn Holmer <shadowm@lyonlabs.org> - 2016-04-03 22:00 +0200
              Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 11:50 +0200
            Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2016-03-26 15:00 +0100
            Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Terence <terence.john@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 15:00 +0100
              Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Haines Brown <haines@histomat.net> - 2016-03-26 15:20 +0100
                Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Terence <terence.john@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 15:40 +0100
                  Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 11:50 +0200
              Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 14:00 +0200
                Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> - 2016-03-28 15:00 +0200
                Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2016-03-28 16:20 +0200
                  Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 00:40 +0200
                    Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-03-30 01:10 +0200
                      Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 01:30 +0200
                    Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 11:40 +0200
                Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Terence <terence.john@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 17:10 +0200
                  Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-03-28 19:00 +0200
                    Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Terence <terence.john@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 20:20 +0200
                Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Terence <terence.john@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 17:10 +0200
                  Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 01:20 +0200
                    Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-03-30 01:40 +0200
                      Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Charlie <ariestao@ipstarmail.com.au> - 2016-03-30 02:10 +0200
                      Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-03-30 02:10 +0200
                        Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Charlie <charlie@egwildlife.com.au> - 2016-03-30 03:00 +0200
                        Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 08:30 +0200
                          Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Glenn Holmer <shadowm@lyonlabs.org> - 2016-03-30 14:50 +0200
                            Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Terence <terence.john@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 16:10 +0200
                      Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Charlie <charlie@egwildlife.com.au> - 2016-03-30 02:10 +0200
                      Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 11:40 +0200
                    Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 11:40 +0200
                  Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 11:40 +0200
            Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 11:30 +0200
          Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-26 16:50 +0100
            Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 11:30 +0200
              Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 20:50 +0200
                Re: Grossly OT SO STOP IT ALREADY! Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> - 2016-04-03 21:20 +0200
                  Re: Grossly OT SO STOP IT ALREADY! Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 21:20 +0200
                    Re: Grossly OT SO STOP IT ALREADY! Charlie <charlie@egwildlife.com.au> - 2016-04-04 00:50 +0200
                      Re: Grossly OT SO STOP IT ALREADY! Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 15:10 +0200
                Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 21:20 +0200
                  Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-04-03 21:30 +0200
                    Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-04 17:30 +0200
                      Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Glenn Holmer <shadowm@lyonlabs.org> - 2016-04-04 20:40 +0200
                        Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 21:50 +0200
                          Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-05 11:50 +0200
                            Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-04-05 13:40 +0200
                              Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> - 2016-04-05 15:30 +0200
                                Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-04-05 19:40 +0200
                                Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-09 18:50 +0200
                              Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start humbert.olivier.1@free.fr - 2016-04-05 15:30 +0200
        Re: New firefox isn't working Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 11:30 +0200
      Re: New firefox isn't working Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-03 11:20 +0200
    Re: New firefox isn't working Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-03-26 17:30 +0100
      Re: New firefox isn't working Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-26 18:50 +0100
    Re: New firefox isn't working Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2016-03-26 18:10 +0100
      Re: New firefox isn't working Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-26 18:50 +0100
        Re: New firefox isn't working Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 19:20 +0100
          Re: New firefox isn't working Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2016-03-26 22:00 +0100
          Re: New firefox isn't working Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2016-03-27 01:20 +0100
            Re: New firefox isn't working Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-27 04:10 +0200

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#166089 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

John Hasler wrote:

> deloptes writes:
>> It's not conspiracy - just check the facts. There is nothing signed
>> from USA part.
> 
> Nonsense.  See
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Treaty
> and
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Plus_Four_Agreement

See my comment to Terence.

These materials are debatable.

See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Treaty_on_the_Final_Settlement_with_Respect_to_Germany&action=history
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=General_Treaty&action=history

regards

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#166248 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

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On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 00:37:05 +0200
deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:

> Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> 
> > ISTR that occupation was over with the re-unification of Germany in
> > October 1990.
> 
> Yes for the Soviet Union but not for the USA ;-)
> 
> It's not conspiracy - just check the facts. There is nothing signed from USA
> part.

I agree that the US is still occupying Germany- but not for the reasons you do. You are relying on the lack of an official withdrawal treaty as evidence of the fact that the US still has a military presence in Germany, which is rather contorted logic.

The fact is, the US has over 50,000 troops stationed on German soil. The occupation continues, my friend.

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#166028 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

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Sorry for the typo! The last date should read 1955- to err is human...​

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#166035 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

On 3/28/2016 10:08 AM, Terence wrote:
> Sorry for the typo! The last date should read 1955- to err is
> human...​
But we divine?
??
lol

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#166037 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

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Forgive me...

On 28 March 2016 at 17:57, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:

> On 3/28/2016 10:08 AM, Terence wrote:
>
>> Sorry for the typo! The last date should read 1955- to err is
>> human...​
>>
> But we divine?
> ??
> lol
>
>
>
>

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#166029 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

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Hi,

Again, I am not sure where you get your facts- what has the 6th June 1944
as a date have to do with it? And why not earlier?

If you are talking about the war reparations demanded by the victorious
allies in WW1 (by any account largely caused by Wilhelm) they were never
paid, and the engineered inflation in Germany in the 'twenties destroyed
any value they may have had. (BTW that criminals should not benefit from
their crimes, even if convicted and serving a gaol sentence in enshrined in
UK law- their ill-gotten gains can be seized)

The US support for rebuilding Germany after both World Wars is often
ignored- especially the financial support.

I think you might check how much of Russia's success in the war was down to
the selfless support of the UK and the USA- from boots, rations,
rolling-stock and locomotives, aircraft, vehicles,- the list goes on and
on. The deaths of British sailors and airmen carrying supplies to Murmansk
underscore our commitment to the USSR during this war.

Even in May 1945 Stalin was aware on the UK/US Manhatten project, and also
that the Western Allies were ready should he decide to advance further than
the agreements (Casablanca, Tehran and Yalta). The war in the East was not
over, and Russia had gained several advantages in agreeing to join the war
against Japan. He knew he could not compete with the Western Allies
militarily until his spies and our traitors gave him what he wanted- and
then it was too late.

As for "Germany is still officially occupied by the USA" I rather think
that they would disagree! The military occupation of Germany ended in
1945...

Remember, internet search engines are your friend!

Best wishes,

On 28 March 2016 at 12:53, deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:

> Terence wrote:
>
> > I don't know where the idea that the USA entered the war to stop the USSR
> > invading Western Europe came from. In December 1941 Germany was deep
> > inside Russia, and it took the combined Allied might of Great Britain,
> the
> > USA and the USSR nearly four years to defeat them.
>
> This is also what I thought before consolidating my knowledge on the
> matter.
> There is a simple fact. 6 June 1944 - D-Day - not earlier.
> So IMO the west was always hypocritical as it is today. First they sucked
> all the blood money from Europe and when found out that the Soviets would
> conquer Europe, they marched in "defeating Hitlers Germany". And Germany is
> still officially occupied by the USA. Another fact few of us are aware of.
> I won't be surprised if USA claims victory over Daesh in Syria soon.
> Really strange world, we live in.
>
> regards
>
>

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#166088 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

Terence wrote:

> As for "Germany is still officially occupied by the USA" I rather think
> that they would disagree! The military occupation of Germany ended in
> 1945...

What ended in your mind might not be true.
There is no piece treaty with Germany and USA. There is the so called 2+4
treaty (1990 I believe). If you look closer you would find a lot of
interesting/debatable facts around this treaty. It covers a formal piece
treaty, but is not such and the goal is to preserve what was established
via the "Grundgesetz" which means "basic low" and is translated as
constitution, but is not, because constitution is "Verfassung". The
constitution is from the people and in the name of the people, which
the "Grundgesetz" is not exactly.
It is debatable why Germany does not have real constitution 70y after the
WWII but it is a fact.
The fact is that the "basic law" imposed by the Allies after 1945 (I think
it was signed 49) is still the official constitution of Germany.

> 
> Remember, internet search engines are your friend!

I prefer the books my friend and urge you to do so. Amazing facts you'll
find ;-). Facts that contradict massmedia and official state propaganda.

I know it might be painful for some of you, as it was for me, but well I did
my part in research, it's up to you to do yours.

The most shocking for me is that most of the interpretation of history we
had in school or I watched on TV is crap for one reason or another. One
should read always the original documents if possible.

Anyway I wish you all the best

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#166090 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

deloptes writes:
> The fact is that the "basic law" imposed by the Allies after 1945 (I
> think it was signed 49) is still the official constitution of Germany.

By this line of reasoning Canada is still a British colony.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#166091 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 18:39:30 -0500 John Hasler sent:

> deloptes writes:
> > The fact is that the "basic law" imposed by the Allies after 1945 (I
> > think it was signed 49) is still the official constitution of
> > Germany.  
> 
> By this line of reasoning Canada is still a British colony.

What reasoning is that? Are you just being argumentative?

Was Canada conquered by the British [debatable] and did they have a
treaty with Canada or did Canada make a treaty with the Brits? The
circumstances are different to Germany and surely that can be seen here.

Canada wasn't a conquered country. Because no one considered the first
nation people of the country we now call Canada, as owners from my very,
very limited knowledge of that country.

Charlie

Apologies: sent the above using an email address which isn't subscribed
to this list.

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#166092 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

Charlie writes:
> Was Canada conquered by the British

Yes.  They took it from the French.

> and did they have a treaty with Canada or did Canada make a treaty
> with the Brits?

The British parliament passed a number of acts dealing with the
governance of Canada.  These form the "basic law" of the nation of
Canada.  Nontheless, Canada is an sovereign nation.  As is Germany.  And
both are recognized as such by the USA and all other members of the
United Nations.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#166094 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 19:04:01 -0500 John Hasler sent:

> Charlie writes:
> > Was Canada conquered by the British  
> 
> Yes.  They took it from the French.
> 
> > and did they have a treaty with Canada or did Canada make a treaty
> > with the Brits?  
> 
> The British parliament passed a number of acts dealing with the
> governance of Canada.  These form the "basic law" of the nation of
> Canada.  Nontheless, Canada is an sovereign nation.  As is Germany.
> And both are recognized as such by the USA and all other members of
> the United Nations.
> -- 
> John Hasler 
> jhasler@newsguy.com
> Elmwood, WI USA
> 

Thank You,

Now I know something about Canada.

Charlie
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#166097 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

John Hasler wrote:

> Charlie writes:
>> Was Canada conquered by the British
> 
> Yes.  They took it from the French.
> 
>> and did they have a treaty with Canada or did Canada make a treaty
>> with the Brits?
> 
> The British parliament passed a number of acts dealing with the
> governance of Canada.  These form the "basic law" of the nation of
> Canada.  Nontheless, Canada is an sovereign nation.  As is Germany.  And
> both are recognized as such by the USA and all other members of the
> United Nations.

I do not know much about Canadas history. It looks suspicious. If someone
else is writing your "basic low".
I can only speak about what I know and I know many Germans who do not like
the situation with the German "basic law" and the fact that the largest
contingent of US military in Europe is located there.
You can not be that naive and think US "helped" anybody without selfishness.
In the past 25y US "helped" soooo many countries with "great" success. 

cheers

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#166102 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

On 03/30/2016 01:21 AM, deloptes wrote:
> John Hasler wrote:
> 
>> Charlie writes:
>>> Was Canada conquered by the British

Enough! Take it off-list!

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"After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."

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#166103 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

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I agree with Glenn, It was mildly amusing at first- but one can't educate
pork.

On 30 March 2016 at 13:31, Glenn Holmer <shadowm@lyonlabs.org> wrote:

> On 03/30/2016 01:21 AM, deloptes wrote:
> > John Hasler wrote:
> >
> >> Charlie writes:
> >>> Was Canada conquered by the British
>
> Enough! Take it off-list!
>
> --
> Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
> "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
>
>

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#166093 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 18:39:30 -0500 John Hasler sent:

> deloptes writes:
> > The fact is that the "basic law" imposed by the Allies after 1945 (I
> > think it was signed 49) is still the official constitution of
> > Germany.  
> 
> By this line of reasoning Canada is still a British colony.

What reasoning is that? Are you just being argumentative?

Was Canada conquered by the British [debatable] and did they have a
treaty with Canada or did Canada make a treaty with the Brits? The
circumstances are different to Germany and surely that can be seen here.

Canada wasn't a conquered country. Because no one considered the first
nation people of the country we now call Canada, as owners from my very,
very limited knowledge of that country.

Charlie

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#166246 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

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On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 18:39:30 -0500
John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> wrote:

> deloptes writes:
> > The fact is that the "basic law" imposed by the Allies after 1945 (I
> > think it was signed 49) is still the official constitution of Germany.
> 
> By this line of reasoning Canada is still a British colony.

Agreed. A law is only a law by the extent to which it can be enforced.

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#166247 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

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On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 01:11:50 +0200
deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:

> Terence wrote:
> 
> > As for "Germany is still officially occupied by the USA" I rather think
> > that they would disagree! The military occupation of Germany ended in
> > 1945...
> 
> What ended in your mind might not be true.
> There is no piece treaty with Germany and USA. There is the so called 2+4
> treaty (1990 I believe). If you look closer you would find a lot of
> interesting/debatable facts around this treaty. It covers a formal piece
> treaty, but is not such and the goal is to preserve what was established
> via the "Grundgesetz" which means "basic low" and is translated as
> constitution, but is not, because constitution is "Verfassung". The
> constitution is from the people and in the name of the people, which
> the "Grundgesetz" is not exactly.
> It is debatable why Germany does not have real constitution 70y after the
> WWII but it is a fact.
> The fact is that the "basic law" imposed by the Allies after 1945 (I think
> it was signed 49) is still the official constitution of Germany.

The constitution of the DDR, on the other hand, was based on the original Weimar Constitution, with some more Marxist-Leninist additions after 1970.

> > 
> > Remember, internet search engines are your friend!
> 
> I prefer the books my friend and urge you to do so. Amazing facts you'll
> find ;-). Facts that contradict massmedia and official state propaganda.
> 
> I know it might be painful for some of you, as it was for me, but well I did
> my part in research, it's up to you to do yours.
> 
> The most shocking for me is that most of the interpretation of history we
> had in school or I watched on TV is crap for one reason or another.

Such is the nature of capitalism. Hardly surprising.

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#166245 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

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On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 16:06:15 +0100
Terence <terence.john@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Again, I am not sure where you get your facts- what has the 6th June 1944
> as a date have to do with it? And why not earlier?
> 
> If you are talking about the war reparations demanded by the victorious
> allies in WW1 (by any account largely caused by Wilhelm) they were never
> paid, and the engineered inflation in Germany in the 'twenties destroyed
> any value they may have had. (BTW that criminals should not benefit from
> their crimes, even if convicted and serving a gaol sentence in enshrined in
> UK law- their ill-gotten gains can be seized)
> 
> The US support for rebuilding Germany after both World Wars is often
> ignored- especially the financial support.
> 
> I think you might check how much of Russia's success in the war was down to
> the selfless support of the UK and the USA- from boots, rations,
> rolling-stock and locomotives, aircraft, vehicles,- the list goes on and
> on. The deaths of British sailors and airmen carrying supplies to Murmansk
> underscore our commitment to the USSR during this war.
> 
> Even in May 1945 Stalin was aware on the UK/US Manhatten project, and also
> that the Western Allies were ready should he decide to advance further than
> the agreements (Casablanca, Tehran and Yalta). The war in the East was not
> over, and Russia had gained several advantages in agreeing to join the war
> against Japan. He knew he could not compete with the Western Allies
> militarily until his spies and our traitors gave him what he wanted- and
> then it was too late.
> 
> As for "Germany is still officially occupied by the USA" I rather think
> that they would disagree! The military occupation of Germany ended in
> 1945...

If there are still US military bases in Germany, then one could call it an unofficial occupation of the same sort that occupies much of the world, and once encircled the USSR.

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#166244 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

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On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 14:37:32 +0100
deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:

> Tony van der Hoff wrote:
> 
> > On 26/03/16 01:13, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > 
> >> Thanks Tom.  Its hell for an old fart who can still remember his
> >> grandfathers tears the night of Dec 7, 1941.  Tears because he knew we
> >> would declare war.
> >>
> >> And I believe thats the last war we fully intended to win.  Its all been
> >> downhill since.
> >>
> >> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> >>
> > 
> > Hmm, despite what you guys seem to think, WW2 started on 1 Sept 1939.

> stop USSR invading whole of Western Europe.

It is highly unlikely they would have done this. Stalin's main concern was to defend capitalist Russia from Western encirclement by building "socialism" (read state capitalism) in one country and establish a network of buffer states to ensure the survival of the above.

Despite all your alternate history yearnings, I doubt we would have ever seen Russia invading western Europe. Bolshevism quickly dropped its millenarian, world-conquering enthusiasm after the 20s and stagnated into what was essentially a fascist nationalism using left-wing rhetoric.

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#165978 — Re: Grossly OT - WW2 start

On Saturday 26 March 2016 08:22:06 Tony van der Hoff wrote:

> On 26/03/16 01:13, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Thanks Tom.  Its hell for an old fart who can still remember his
> > grandfathers tears the night of Dec 7, 1941.  Tears because he knew
> > we would declare war.
> >
> > And I believe thats the last war we fully intended to win.  Its all
> > been downhill since.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> Hmm, despite what you guys seem to think, WW2 started on 1 Sept 1939.

This is very offtopic, but it may have started even before that for some 
of you on that side of the pond. My deepest sympathies to those who were 
close enough to that and suffered thru it and lived.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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