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| Started by | Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> |
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| First post | 2016-03-08 07:50 +0100 |
| Last post | 2016-03-09 00:40 +0100 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 148 — 23 participants |
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Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> - 2016-03-08 07:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2016-03-08 09:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> - 2016-03-08 10:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2016-03-08 11:00 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> - 2016-03-08 11:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2016-03-08 11:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> - 2016-03-08 11:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 12:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-03-08 12:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> - 2016-03-08 16:00 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 20:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-08 13:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-03-08 13:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-08 14:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Dutch Ingraham <stoa@gmx.us> - 2016-03-08 14:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> - 2016-03-08 16:00 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2016-03-08 16:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Ron Leach <ronleach@tesco.net> - 2016-03-08 16:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-08 17:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-08 18:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-08 18:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-08 17:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-03-08 21:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-03-08 15:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-08 16:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2016-03-08 14:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-08 15:00 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2016-03-08 15:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> - 2016-03-08 16:00 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-08 18:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-09 13:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> - 2016-03-09 14:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-10 20:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> - 2016-03-18 13:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-18 14:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 20:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-03-11 09:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 11:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-03-11 11:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-11 18:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-11 14:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-11 15:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2016-03-11 15:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-11 19:00 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-11 22:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-11 18:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-11 19:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-11 20:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-11 21:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-11 23:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-03-12 09:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-12 10:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-12 13:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-12 13:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2016-03-12 14:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-12 13:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2016-03-12 14:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-12 19:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-12 20:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-12 21:00 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2016-03-12 21:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-12 21:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-12 19:50 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-14 17:50 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 23:00 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-15 03:50 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 08:50 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) Martin Read <zen75502@zen.co.uk> - 2016-03-15 17:30 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2016-03-15 20:10 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-03-15 22:30 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 05:00 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-17 17:10 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 20:40 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-17 17:10 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 17:30 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 21:10 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> - 2016-03-18 14:10 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-17 17:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-14 18:00 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-12 19:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-12 19:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-12 20:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-12 20:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-12 20:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-12 21:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-12 21:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-12 21:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-12 08:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-13 05:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-13 09:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-13 20:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-13 20:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-13 20:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-13 22:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2016-03-13 19:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-11 23:00 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-12 11:00 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-12 12:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-12 13:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-12 14:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-12 14:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-13 06:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-13 20:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-14 04:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-14 08:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-14 14:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-14 15:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-14 20:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-14 21:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-14 21:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-14 22:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-15 03:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-15 08:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-15 16:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-15 16:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-17 17:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-14 14:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-15 15:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-15 20:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 22:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-15 23:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 01:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-16 04:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-16 15:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-16 17:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-16 17:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-23 21:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-24 16:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 18:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> - 2016-03-18 14:00 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-18 14:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-18 20:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-20 10:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-20 13:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-20 15:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-20 15:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-23 10:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-23 13:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-21 01:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-18 14:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-03-19 11:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 09:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> - 2016-03-08 19:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-03-08 21:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-08 21:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-03-09 09:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-09 20:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-09 00:40 +0100
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| From | Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> |
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| Date | 2016-03-12 21:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? |
| Message-ID | <rbY1j-34I-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165305 |
On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 19:18:25 +0000
Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > And the Everything Free brigade is so pleasant to anyone who wants
> > > > to use binary blobs??
> > > Because, it seems, for some people "Linux is about freedom of choice"
> > > means "you are free to accept MY choices, and no other".
> > Give this man a bigger nail, he hits this one very well indeed. :)
> A big spoon for stirring and continuing to spread this view would be
> more suitable. :)
>
> Debian is not about freedom of choice. Can this be seen in the Social
> Contract?
You are the one stirring thing: I never mentioned Debian; only Linux...
Cheers,
Ron.
--
Never get into an argument with someone who buys ink by the barrel.
-- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-03-12 21:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? |
| Message-ID | <rbYkG-3fa-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165310 |
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 17:01:36 -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 19:18:25 +0000 > Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote: > > > A big spoon for stirring and continuing to spread this view would be > > more suitable. :) > > > > Debian is not about freedom of choice. Can this be seen in the Social > > Contract? > > You are the one stirring thing: I never mentioned Debian; only Linux... We are both on a Debian mailing list. It takes two to tango.
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2016-03-12 19:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rbWLV-1YR-19@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165278 |
On Saturday 12 March 2016 07:46:08 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 12 March 2016 07:50:49 tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > > So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off > > this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of > > fun at those who try to put some effort into avoiding binary > > blobs. It reminds me of the poking at vegetarians "now are snails > > vegetables or not?". I thought I left that behind in my teens. > > And the Everything Free brigade is so pleasant to anyone who wants to > use binary blobs?? I was nearly lynched for wanting to use something > from the non-free repository. > > Why can't we all live and let live? And all I have seen in this > thread is people not comprehending. No-one being unpleasant and > castigating. > > I have a ball if anyone would like it. ;-) > > Lisi I've been in that box, watching them tie knots on ropes too. But at the end of the day, I only outlaw one driver blob, the nvidia. It locks out the IRQ's for extended periods of time and can, because of that, do serious damage to parts being CNC machined. The nouveau driver doesn't resort to that, and works fine, for what I want to do. So for me, the nvidia driver and its being married to a specific kernel, causes way more problems than it solves. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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| From | Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> |
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| Date | 2016-03-14 17:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) |
| Message-ID | <rcDQS-6mv-23@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165278 |
On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:46:08 +0000 Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote: > On Saturday 12 March 2016 07:50:49 tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > > So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off > > this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of > > fun at those who try to put some effort into avoiding binary > > blobs. It reminds me of the poking at vegetarians "now are snails > > vegetables or not?". I thought I left that behind in my teens. > > And the Everything Free brigade is so pleasant to anyone who wants to > use binary blobs?? I was nearly lynched for wanting to use something > from the non-free repository. If you're referring to the great "should" debate, then this is a pretty inaccurate description of what happened. I inadvertently used the word "should" as opposed to "it would be better if" (insert other non-triggering alternative if it suits), and was promptly jumped by everyone for being "intolerant", or "pushy", or some shit. People should (there it is again!) be free to advocate whatever views they want, as well as pursue whatever course of action they may wish without all this ridicule from the "open-source" gang- including avoiding blobs, or thinking that perhaps, just maybe, non-free software is a *bad thing*. But people should also be free to tell others how to act- it may come across as rude, but I don't really care- it is an extension of freedom of speech, provided there is no direct physical coercion involved. "Live and let live" is a touch ironic coming from the very people who launch nit-picky attacks like the ones described in the first place.
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| From | deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-14 23:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) |
| Message-ID | <rcIGS-151-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165363 |
Adam Wilson wrote: > If you're referring to the great "should" debate, then this is a pretty > inaccurate description of what happened. I inadvertently used the word > "should" as opposed to "it would be better if" (insert other > non-triggering alternative if it suits), and was promptly jumped by > everyone for being "intolerant", or "pushy", or some shit. > > People should (there it is again!) be free to advocate whatever views > they want, as well as pursue whatever course of action they may wish > without all this ridicule from the "open-source" gang- including > avoiding blobs, or thinking that perhaps, just maybe, non-free software > is a *bad thing*. > > But people should also be free to tell others how to act- it may come > across as rude, but I don't really care- it is an extension of freedom > of speech, provided there is no direct physical coercion involved. > > "Live and let live" is a touch ironic coming from the very people who > launch nit-picky attacks like the ones described in the first place. I like the way you put my thoughts in words. Perhaps we should establish a club called "really free in open source communities" or something alike. The Donald Trump way ;) What helped me most is the definition of similar behavior by a wise man, who said, "the worst thing is, they think they are morally superior to judge" regards
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| From | Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> |
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| Date | 2016-03-15 03:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) |
| Message-ID | <rcNdw-49L-19@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165389 |
On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 22:58:00 +0100 deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote: > Adam Wilson wrote: > > > If you're referring to the great "should" debate, then this is a > > pretty inaccurate description of what happened. I inadvertently > > used the word "should" as opposed to "it would be better > > if" (insert other non-triggering alternative if it suits), and was > > promptly jumped by everyone for being "intolerant", or "pushy", or > > some shit. > > > > People should (there it is again!) be free to advocate whatever > > views they want, as well as pursue whatever course of action they > > may wish without all this ridicule from the "open-source" gang- > > including avoiding blobs, or thinking that perhaps, just maybe, > > non-free software is a *bad thing*. > > > > But people should also be free to tell others how to act- it may > > come across as rude, but I don't really care- it is an extension of > > freedom of speech, provided there is no direct physical coercion > > involved. > > > > "Live and let live" is a touch ironic coming from the very people > > who launch nit-picky attacks like the ones described in the first > > place. > > I like the way you put my thoughts in words. Perhaps we should > establish a club called "really free in open source communities" or > something alike. The Donald Trump way ;) About "open-source"; I'm not really sure how to feel. On the one hand, they did do a good (?) job spreading free software into the corporate/business world and making it mainstream (ish), but on the other hand, their lack of a coherent ethical discourse, corporate-friendliness, and abandonment of the original cause- free software advocacy- has basically meant that free software has been usurped by capital rather than having the liberatory potential it once did. Imagine how far we could spread the ideals of free software if only all those people who currently talk about "Linux" and "open-source" started talking about GNU/Linux and free software! That includes the OSI and the other big individual players in the "open-source" gang. It'll probably never happen; the antagonism is too great. Alas. > What helped me most is the definition of similar behavior by a wise > man, who said, "the worst thing is, they think they are morally > superior to judge" Everyone here is guilty of this.
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| From | deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-15 08:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) |
| Message-ID | <rcRTQ-7sZ-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165400 |
Adam Wilson wrote: > On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 22:58:00 +0100 deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Adam Wilson wrote: >> >> > If you're referring to the great "should" debate, then this is a >> > pretty inaccurate description of what happened. I inadvertently >> > used the word "should" as opposed to "it would be better >> > if" (insert other non-triggering alternative if it suits), and was >> > promptly jumped by everyone for being "intolerant", or "pushy", or >> > some shit. >> > >> > People should (there it is again!) be free to advocate whatever >> > views they want, as well as pursue whatever course of action they >> > may wish without all this ridicule from the "open-source" gang- >> > including avoiding blobs, or thinking that perhaps, just maybe, >> > non-free software is a *bad thing*. >> > >> > But people should also be free to tell others how to act- it may >> > come across as rude, but I don't really care- it is an extension of >> > freedom of speech, provided there is no direct physical coercion >> > involved. >> > >> > "Live and let live" is a touch ironic coming from the very people >> > who launch nit-picky attacks like the ones described in the first >> > place. >> >> I like the way you put my thoughts in words. Perhaps we should >> establish a club called "really free in open source communities" or >> something alike. The Donald Trump way ;) > > About "open-source"; I'm not really sure how to feel. On the one hand, > they did do a good (?) job spreading free software into the > corporate/business world and making it mainstream (ish), but on the > other hand, their lack of a coherent ethical discourse, > corporate-friendliness, and abandonment of the original cause- free > software advocacy- has basically meant that free software has been > usurped by capital rather than having the liberatory potential it once > did. > > Imagine how far we could spread the ideals of free software if only all > those people who currently talk about "Linux" and "open-source" started > talking about GNU/Linux and free software! That includes the OSI and > the other big individual players in the "open-source" gang. > > It'll probably never happen; the antagonism is too great. Alas. Well. Everyone following the Open source/Free Software story would know that the circumstances shifted to disadvantage of Open Source and Free Software. Things are getting even worse. Windowz mentality spreading into the communities with the yonger people. I see recently more python code written than real C/C++. Another example is the shift in KDE. Another reason is the so called "economic crisis" which is not really economic, but never mind. > >> What helped me most is the definition of similar behavior by a wise >> man, who said, "the worst thing is, they think they are morally >> superior to judge" > > Everyone here is guilty of this. I'm not sure you have the right to say this :) regards
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| From | Martin Read <zen75502@zen.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-03-15 17:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) |
| Message-ID | <rd014-4sW-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165409 |
On 15/03/16 07:45, deloptes wrote: > I see recently more python code written than real C/C++. So what? Most programs *shouldn't* be written in C or C++, and I say this as someone who loves C and C++ and reaches for one of them by default as the language for solving computing problems. (Unless they involve substantial quantities of text manipulation, in which case I reach for Perl because neither C nor C++ have even *remotely* satisfactory capabilities in that regard.) There are specific circumstances in which a low/medium-level systems programming language like C or C++ is the right choice for implementing solutions to a computing problem. I submit that *most* programs are not subject to those circumstances, and thus there are better languages for implementing most programs. Python is probably the right language less often than people use it, but for most jobs people do with it, C or C++ would be just as wrong a choice, if not more so.
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| From | doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> |
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| Date | 2016-03-15 20:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) |
| Message-ID | <rd2vT-6kZ-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165424 |
On 03/15/2016 12:22 PM, Martin Read wrote: > On 15/03/16 07:45, deloptes wrote: >> I see recently more python code written than real C/C++. > > So what? Most programs *shouldn't* be written in C or C++, and I say > this as someone who loves C and C++ and reaches for one of them by > default as the language for solving computing problems. (Unless they > involve substantial quantities of text manipulation, in which case I > reach for Perl because neither C nor C++ have even *remotely* > satisfactory capabilities in that regard.) > > There are specific circumstances in which a low/medium-level systems > programming language like C or C++ is the right choice for > implementing solutions to a computing problem. I submit that *most* > programs are not subject to those circumstances, and thus there are > better languages for implementing most programs. > > Python is probably the right language less often than people use it, > but for most jobs people do with it, C or C++ would be just as wrong a > choice, if not more so. > > It's too bad that the original Borland Pascal is not around anymore. Or even the later version of BASIC with the case statement. Simple and even a doppus like me could write with one of them! --doug (retired RF engineer--not a programmer!)
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| From | Joe <joe@jretrading.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-15 22:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) |
| Message-ID | <rd4Ho-7Mu-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165429 |
On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 15:06:55 -0400 doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> wrote: > > > > > It's too bad that the original Borland Pascal is not around anymore. > Or even the later version of BASIC with the case statement. Simple > and even a doppus like me could write with one of them! > I first came to Pascal after a couple of years of BBC Basic, and I couldn't see what the fuss was about. Pascal didn't seem to be any great advance, though I suppose it was much more useful than the Applesoft I learned on. I believe Delphi still exists, though I don't think there's a hobbyist-level price these days. I used to dabble with Delphi 3, and I released a couple of visual components, but I haven't had need of something like that for some years. There is a free clone called Lazarus, based on Free Pascal, which is probably far more advanced than Delphi 3. You can ignore most of the object stuff and just write straight Pascal. You could write Windows system DLLs in Delphi. p.s. There's a GPL BBC Basic V interpreter: https://packages.debian.org/sid/brandy -- Joe
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| From | Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-16 05:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) |
| Message-ID | <rdaMP-3gF-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165443 |
On 03/15/2016 05:28 PM, Joe wrote: > I first came to Pascal after a couple of years of BBC Basic, and I > couldn't see what the fuss was about. Pascal didn't seem to be any > great advance, though I suppose it was much more useful than the > Applesoft I learned on. I had an original garage build ][. I still miss the line numbers. :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html
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| From | Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> |
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| Date | 2016-03-17 17:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) |
| Message-ID | <rdIEO-1aN-23@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165429 |
On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 15:06:55 -0400 doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> wrote: > > On 03/15/2016 12:22 PM, Martin Read wrote: > > On 15/03/16 07:45, deloptes wrote: > >> I see recently more python code written than real C/C++. > > > > So what? Most programs *shouldn't* be written in C or C++, and I > > say this as someone who loves C and C++ and reaches for one of them > > by default as the language for solving computing problems. (Unless > > they involve substantial quantities of text manipulation, in which > > case I reach for Perl because neither C nor C++ have even > > *remotely* satisfactory capabilities in that regard.) > > > > There are specific circumstances in which a low/medium-level > > systems programming language like C or C++ is the right choice for > > implementing solutions to a computing problem. I submit that *most* > > programs are not subject to those circumstances, and thus there are > > better languages for implementing most programs. > > > > Python is probably the right language less often than people use > > it, but for most jobs people do with it, C or C++ would be just as > > wrong a choice, if not more so. > > > > > It's too bad that the original Borland Pascal is not around anymore. > Or even the later version of BASIC with the case statement. Simple > and even a doppus like me could write with one of them! I can barely code- I am limited to shell scripts, Windows/DOS batch, classical BASIC (which I taught myself, it really isn't hard- but it left me with a GOTO habit), and (surprisingly or not) C#, which we were taught at school. There is a lovely BASIC interpreter called Vintage BASIC which holds a special place in my heart... it is mostly compatible with Altair/Commodore BASIC.
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| From | deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-15 20:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) |
| Message-ID | <rd2YV-6xB-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165424 |
Martin Read wrote: > On 15/03/16 07:45, deloptes wrote: >> I see recently more python code written than real C/C++. > > So what? Most programs *shouldn't* be written in C or C++, and I say > this as someone who loves C and C++ and reaches for one of them by > default as the language for solving computing problems. (Unless they > involve substantial quantities of text manipulation, in which case I > reach for Perl because neither C nor C++ have even *remotely* > satisfactory capabilities in that regard.) > > There are specific circumstances in which a low/medium-level systems > programming language like C or C++ is the right choice for implementing > solutions to a computing problem. I submit that *most* programs are not > subject to those circumstances, and thus there are better languages for > implementing most programs. > > Python is probably the right language less often than people use it, but > for most jobs people do with it, C or C++ would be just as wrong a > choice, if not more so. I agree with you more or less, however languages like python or perl open doors to pretend-to-be-programmers. I've seen more often bad python/perl code than c/c++. My observations are also that there is always a penalty, even if you compile the script code into binary. So if something has to be robust and fast, one should always prefer c/c++. But this is really out of topic here. regards
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| From | Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> |
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| Date | 2016-03-17 17:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) |
| Message-ID | <rdIEQ-1aN-53@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165433 |
On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 20:38:04 +0100 deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote: > Martin Read wrote: > > > On 15/03/16 07:45, deloptes wrote: > >> I see recently more python code written than real C/C++. > > > > So what? Most programs *shouldn't* be written in C or C++, and I say > > this as someone who loves C and C++ and reaches for one of them by > > default as the language for solving computing problems. (Unless they > > involve substantial quantities of text manipulation, in which case I > > reach for Perl because neither C nor C++ have even *remotely* > > satisfactory capabilities in that regard.) > > > > There are specific circumstances in which a low/medium-level systems > > programming language like C or C++ is the right choice for > > implementing solutions to a computing problem. I submit that *most* > > programs are not subject to those circumstances, and thus there are > > better languages for implementing most programs. > > > > Python is probably the right language less often than people use > > it, but for most jobs people do with it, C or C++ would be just as > > wrong a choice, if not more so. > > I agree with you more or less, however languages like python or perl > open doors to pretend-to-be-programmers. I've seen more often bad > python/perl code than c/c++. C/C++ arrogance at its best! I could maybe understand it if you called C# or Java users pretend-to-be-programmers, but Python, and especially Perl, really aren't as bad or as threatening as you make them out to be. > My observations are also that there is always a penalty, even if you > compile the script code into binary. So if something has to be robust > and fast, one should always prefer c/c++. But this is really out of > topic here. And if Python or Perl are more suited to the task at hand, by all means use them! P.S. What's wrong with OT? OT is fun!
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| From | Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-17 17:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) |
| Message-ID | <rdIYa-1i1-23@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165538 |
On 03/17/2016 01:58 AM, Adam Wilson wrote: > On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 20:38:04 +0100 deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Martin Read wrote: >> >>> On 15/03/16 07:45, deloptes wrote: >>>> I see recently more python code written than real C/C++. >>> >>> So what? Most programs *shouldn't* be written in C or C++, and I say >>> this as someone who loves C and C++ and reaches for one of them by >>> default as the language for solving computing problems. (Unless they >>> involve substantial quantities of text manipulation, in which case I >>> reach for Perl because neither C nor C++ have even *remotely* >>> satisfactory capabilities in that regard.) >>> >>> There are specific circumstances in which a low/medium-level systems >>> programming language like C or C++ is the right choice for >>> implementing solutions to a computing problem. I submit that *most* >>> programs are not subject to those circumstances, and thus there are >>> better languages for implementing most programs. >>> >>> Python is probably the right language less often than people use >>> it, but for most jobs people do with it, C or C++ would be just as >>> wrong a choice, if not more so. >> >> I agree with you more or less, however languages like python or perl >> open doors to pretend-to-be-programmers. I've seen more often bad >> python/perl code than c/c++. > > C/C++ arrogance at its best! I could maybe understand it if you called > C# or Java users pretend-to-be-programmers, but Python, and especially > Perl, really aren't as bad or as threatening as you make them out to be. > >> My observations are also that there is always a penalty, even if you >> compile the script code into binary. So if something has to be robust >> and fast, one should always prefer c/c++. But this is really out of >> topic here. > > And if Python or Perl are more suited to the task at hand, by all means > use them! > > P.S. What's wrong with OT? OT is fun! We got run off the OT list for being OT. :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html
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| From | deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-17 21:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) |
| Message-ID | <rdMp3-3wz-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165538 |
Adam Wilson wrote: >> I agree with you more or less, however languages like python or perl >> open doors to pretend-to-be-programmers. I've seen more often bad >> python/perl code than c/c++. > > C/C++ arrogance at its best! I could maybe understand it if you called > C# or Java users pretend-to-be-programmers, but Python, and especially > Perl, really aren't as bad or as threatening as you make them out to be. > No, not at all. I love perl. I tried learning python and can do a lot with it for practical reasons. I don't care and do not have any preference. Whatever is needed I do it according the requirements. It's just business. I just shared my observations. Younger developers pretend to know much and write sh*t code. A lot of India guys as well :D >> My observations are also that there is always a penalty, even if you >> compile the script code into binary. So if something has to be robust >> and fast, one should always prefer c/c++. But this is really out of >> topic here. > > And if Python or Perl are more suited to the task at hand, by all means > use them! > Yes in some cases they are preferable. My point was if you tolerate it, you end up sorting out newbies mess - KDE mainstream is a good example of that (and so are many other projects) We used python for prototyping and then one came up with the idea to compile, sign and sell the binary code - works great. > P.S. What's wrong with OT? OT is fun! My intention was to end up the discussion :)
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| From | Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-18 14:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) |
| Message-ID | <re2kb-6eM-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165433 |
Den 15. mars 2016 21:38, skrev deloptes: > I agree with you more or less, however languages like python or perl > open doors to pretend-to-be-programmers. I've seen more often bad > python/perl code than c/c++. My observations are also that there is > always a penalty, even if you compile the script code into binary. So > if something has to be robust and fast, one should always prefer > c/c++. But this is really out of topic here. regards I have been working a lot with C++ for the latest 20 years. I have many friends specializing in C++ in big companies. Interestingly, they claim that recruiters wanting Java programmers, often try to hunt down C++ programmers that are willing to convert - because they believe C++ programmers in general are smarter than Java programmers. I can't comment on that. I don't really know any smart Java developers :) Jarle
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| From | Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> |
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| Date | 2016-03-17 17:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) |
| Message-ID | <rdIEO-1aN-29@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165409 |
On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 08:45:33 +0100 deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote: > Adam Wilson wrote: > > > On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 22:58:00 +0100 deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Adam Wilson wrote: > >> > >> > If you're referring to the great "should" debate, then this is a > >> > pretty inaccurate description of what happened. I inadvertently > >> > used the word "should" as opposed to "it would be better > >> > if" (insert other non-triggering alternative if it suits), and > >> > was promptly jumped by everyone for being "intolerant", or > >> > "pushy", or some shit. > >> > > >> > People should (there it is again!) be free to advocate whatever > >> > views they want, as well as pursue whatever course of action they > >> > may wish without all this ridicule from the "open-source" gang- > >> > including avoiding blobs, or thinking that perhaps, just maybe, > >> > non-free software is a *bad thing*. > >> > > >> > But people should also be free to tell others how to act- it may > >> > come across as rude, but I don't really care- it is an extension > >> > of freedom of speech, provided there is no direct physical > >> > coercion involved. > >> > > >> > "Live and let live" is a touch ironic coming from the very people > >> > who launch nit-picky attacks like the ones described in the first > >> > place. > >> > >> I like the way you put my thoughts in words. Perhaps we should > >> establish a club called "really free in open source communities" or > >> something alike. The Donald Trump way ;) > > > > About "open-source"; I'm not really sure how to feel. On the one > > hand, they did do a good (?) job spreading free software into the > > corporate/business world and making it mainstream (ish), but on the > > other hand, their lack of a coherent ethical discourse, > > corporate-friendliness, and abandonment of the original cause- free > > software advocacy- has basically meant that free software has been > > usurped by capital rather than having the liberatory potential it > > once did. > > > > Imagine how far we could spread the ideals of free software if only > > all those people who currently talk about "Linux" and "open-source" > > started talking about GNU/Linux and free software! That includes > > the OSI and the other big individual players in the "open-source" > > gang. > > > > It'll probably never happen; the antagonism is too great. Alas. > > Well. Everyone following the Open source/Free Software story would > know that the circumstances shifted to disadvantage of Open Source > and Free Software. Things are getting even worse. Windowz mentality > spreading into the communities with the yonger people. > I see recently more python code written than real C/C++. Another > example is the shift in KDE. > Another reason is the so called "economic crisis" which is not really > economic, but never mind. Python being used as opposed to C/C++ has nothing to do with software freedom. Change in programming mentality, maybe, but free software dying because of it? No. What is far more alarming is the prevalence of non-free JS and shit tons of code in C# for .Net (or Mono, which in many ways is even more insidious). > > > >> What helped me most is the definition of similar behavior by a wise > >> man, who said, "the worst thing is, they think they are morally > >> superior to judge" > > > > Everyone here is guilty of this. > > I'm not sure you have the right to say this :) Why not? Everyone thinks they're morally superior in one way or another. I think it's a pretty reasonable point. Just in the same way that I advocate (mostly) abstinence from non-free software, and consider myself morally superior (I do, I'm not going to lie) because of it, others advocate not caring, and consider me silly because of my position (oh, and my usage of the word "should", of course). No matter what position you may hold, of course you're going to consider your position to be superior to those of rival beliefs, and I don't think that's something that's avoidable or even bad.
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| From | Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> |
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| Date | 2016-03-14 18:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? |
| Message-ID | <rcE0y-6pV-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165278 |
On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:46:08 +0000 Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote: > On Saturday 12 March 2016 07:50:49 tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > > So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off > > this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of > > fun at those who try to put some effort into avoiding binary > > blobs. It reminds me of the poking at vegetarians "now are snails > > vegetables or not?". I thought I left that behind in my teens. > > And the Everything Free brigade is so pleasant to anyone who wants to > use binary blobs?? I was nearly lynched for wanting to use something > from the non-free repository. > > Why can't we all live and let live? And all I have seen in this > thread is people not comprehending. No-one being unpleasant and > castigating. > > I have a ball if anyone would like it. ;-) > > Lisi > And all this on a mailing list belonging to a distribution that actually has the decency to call itself GNU/Linux. Whatever next?
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-03-12 19:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? |
| Message-ID | <rbWsy-1Pq-17@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165262 |
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 08:50:49 +0100, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off > this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of > fun at those who try to put some effort into avoiding binary > blobs. It reminds me of the poking at vegetarians "now are snails > vegetables or not?". I thought I left that behind in my teens. Don't you think there has been a very positive aspect to this thread? Not just for Jarle Aase's immediate needs but also for present and future readers of it. Misconceptions have been cleared up, the OP knows now why he couldn't print and various byways have been explored. Even the binary blob issue was treated with robust respect. Of course, people are entitled to persue freeness and Jarl Aase did explain his position and had it acknowledged. Others couldn't quite accept why someone should want to turn down an easy route to printing with proprietary software. That's all part of life's rich pattern. Printing was, of course, the objective. There is a solution on the table which fits the desire for freeness. Jarl Aase appears to be the only participant in this thread who has access to an AirPrint printer. Considering the interest which has been shown in his problem some feedback would be useful to have. I hope we haven't lost another ball. :)
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