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| Started by | Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> |
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| First post | 2016-03-08 07:50 +0100 |
| Last post | 2016-03-09 00:40 +0100 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 148 — 23 participants |
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Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> - 2016-03-08 07:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2016-03-08 09:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> - 2016-03-08 10:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2016-03-08 11:00 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> - 2016-03-08 11:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2016-03-08 11:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> - 2016-03-08 11:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 12:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-03-08 12:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> - 2016-03-08 16:00 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 20:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-08 13:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-03-08 13:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-08 14:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Dutch Ingraham <stoa@gmx.us> - 2016-03-08 14:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> - 2016-03-08 16:00 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2016-03-08 16:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Ron Leach <ronleach@tesco.net> - 2016-03-08 16:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-08 17:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-08 18:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-08 18:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-08 17:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-03-08 21:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-03-08 15:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-08 16:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2016-03-08 14:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-08 15:00 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2016-03-08 15:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> - 2016-03-08 16:00 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-08 18:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-09 13:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> - 2016-03-09 14:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-10 20:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> - 2016-03-18 13:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-18 14:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 20:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-03-11 09:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 11:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-03-11 11:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-11 18:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-11 14:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-11 15:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2016-03-11 15:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-11 19:00 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-11 22:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-11 18:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-11 19:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-11 20:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-11 21:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-11 23:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-03-12 09:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-12 10:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-12 13:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-12 13:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2016-03-12 14:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-12 13:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2016-03-12 14:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-12 19:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-12 20:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-12 21:00 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2016-03-12 21:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-12 21:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-12 19:50 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-14 17:50 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 23:00 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-15 03:50 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 08:50 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) Martin Read <zen75502@zen.co.uk> - 2016-03-15 17:30 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2016-03-15 20:10 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-03-15 22:30 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 05:00 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-17 17:10 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 20:40 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-17 17:10 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 17:30 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 21:10 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> - 2016-03-18 14:10 +0100
Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-17 17:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-14 18:00 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-12 19:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-12 19:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-12 20:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-12 20:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-12 20:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-12 21:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-12 21:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-12 21:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-12 08:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-13 05:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-13 09:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-13 20:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-13 20:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-13 20:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-13 22:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2016-03-13 19:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-11 23:00 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-12 11:00 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-12 12:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-12 13:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-12 14:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-12 14:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-13 06:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-13 20:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-14 04:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-14 08:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-14 14:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-14 15:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-14 20:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-14 21:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-14 21:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-14 22:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-15 03:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-15 08:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-15 16:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-15 16:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-17 17:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-14 14:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-15 15:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-15 20:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 22:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-15 23:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 01:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-16 04:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-16 15:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-16 17:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-16 17:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-23 21:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-24 16:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 18:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> - 2016-03-18 14:00 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-18 14:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-18 20:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-20 10:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-20 13:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-20 15:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-20 15:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-23 10:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-23 13:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-21 01:20 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? jdd <jdd@dodin.org> - 2016-03-18 14:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-03-19 11:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 09:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Jarle Aase <jgaa@jgaa.com> - 2016-03-08 19:40 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-03-08 21:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-08 21:50 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-03-09 09:10 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-09 20:30 +0100
Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-09 00:40 +0100
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-03-11 14:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? |
| Message-ID | <rbuZj-6Kj-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165181 |
On Wed 09 Mar 2016 at 15:16:20 +0200, Jarle Aase wrote:
> My plan is to install the Brother drivers in a virtual machine. When that
> works, I can use wireshark to see what's actually being sent to the printer,
> and decide if I want to do something to make it work on the "real" machine.
Let's take a step back and examine the issue.
1. You have a Brother printer which uses a non-free driver. Initially
you took a wrong step and could not print. Knowing now that two .debs
need to be installed the least you could do is install them. I'd
suggest using the USB connection to avoid having to complicate
matters with having to think about network connections. The .debs are
set up to use a USB connection anyway. The .debs can be purged after
printing has been tested to work with them.
Can you print now?
2. You are very uneasy about having a proprietary driver for printing on
your machine, so are seeking a way not to use it and have only standard
Debian/Linux drivers. (For unknown reasons you have no such problem
with a proprietary driver for scanning. That seems a little perverse
but we'll go along with).
3. AirPrint on the printer has been mentioned a couple of times but has
not resulted in any reaction from you. Is there some reason you would
not want to use the facility? It is the only way to avoid having a
proprietary driver on your machine and be able to print.
4. You can examine the printer's Bonjour broadcasts with avahi-browse;
it is in the avahi-utils package and the command to use is
avahi-browse -art
It would be useful for us to see what you see so please would you do
avahi-browse -art > discovered
and attach a gzipped discovered to your next mail here. We can then
go from there.
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| From | jdd <jdd@dodin.org> |
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| Date | 2016-03-11 15:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? |
| Message-ID | <rbweK-7tE-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165239 |
Le 11/03/2016 14:00, Brian a écrit : > 2. You are very uneasy about having a proprietary driver for printing on > your machine, so are seeking a way not to use it and have only standard > Debian/Linux drivers. this printer seems to be recent and flexible. Chance is he may be a pdf printer. Did you try to send him a pdf without any filter? or try printing a pdf from a ssd card? sorry if it was already proposed, I couldn't read all the thread jdd
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| From | Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> |
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| Date | 2016-03-11 15:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rbwop-7y9-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165242 |
Hi Brian. as far as I know you need the packages from the Brother site. As soon you got them installed, start a browser and go to http://localhost:631 Then there should a gui start, where you can configure your printer. Good luck! Hans
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-03-11 19:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? |
| Message-ID | <rbzvY-1lH-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165243 |
On Fri 11 Mar 2016 at 15:30:13 +0100, Hans wrote: > as far as I know you need the packages from the Brother site. As soon you got > them installed, start a browser and go to http://localhost:631 > > Then there should a gui start, where you can configure your printer. This is exactly what the OP has said he wants to avoid doing.
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2016-03-11 22:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rbD6x-43l-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165248 |
On Friday 11 March 2016 12:50:32 Brian wrote: > On Fri 11 Mar 2016 at 15:30:13 +0100, Hans wrote: > > as far as I know you need the packages from the Brother site. As > > soon you got them installed, start a browser and go to > > http://localhost:631 > > > > Then there should a gui start, where you can configure your printer. > > This is exactly what the OP has said he wants to avoid doing. As a happy user of two Brother printers, using Brothers drivers, the OP should be well aware that he will spend weeks of time poking at just one printer, to come up with a driver that does half of what the Brother driver can do, and quite likely poorer, and slower than the Brother driver. Principles I guess are nice when you step into the voting booth, but not when following them on nothing more than a rumor he heard from somebody with a bad taste for Brother, makes zero sense. The ones I am using Just Work(TM). I am of the opinion that this thread has run its coarse as he has refused to do the sensible thing here, and the refusal was stated up front. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-03-11 18:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? |
| Message-ID | <rbzmi-1in-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165242 |
On Fri 11 Mar 2016 at 15:24:07 +0100, jdd wrote: > Le 11/03/2016 14:00, Brian a écrit : > > >2. You are very uneasy about having a proprietary driver for printing on > > your machine, so are seeking a way not to use it and have only standard > > Debian/Linux drivers. > > this printer seems to be recent and flexible. Chance is he may be a pdf > printer. > > Did you try to send him a pdf without any filter? or try printing a pdf from > a ssd card? The AirPrint facility handles a PDF (it has to). Whether the printer handles direct PDF printing is questionable. But it's a decent idea to try.
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-03-11 19:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rbAim-1UI-21@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165247 |
On Fri 11 Mar 2016 at 17:48:01 (+0000), Brian wrote: > On Fri 11 Mar 2016 at 15:24:07 +0100, jdd wrote: > > > Le 11/03/2016 14:00, Brian a écrit : > > > > >2. You are very uneasy about having a proprietary driver for printing on > > > your machine, so are seeking a way not to use it and have only standard > > > Debian/Linux drivers. > > > > this printer seems to be recent and flexible. Chance is he may be a pdf > > printer. > > > > Did you try to send him a pdf without any filter? or try printing a pdf from > > a ssd card? > > The AirPrint facility handles a PDF (it has to). I don't understand this statement. If a printer doesn't have a PS interpreter (or emulation thereof), are you saying that it acquires one by virtue of supporting AirPrint? > Whether the printer > handles direct PDF printing is questionable. But it's a decent idea to > try. It would seem odd to support PDF printing and be silent on the matter in the printer's literature, eg www.printerbase.co.uk/spec/pdf/brother-mfcj5720dw.pdf http://support.brother.com/g/b/spec.aspx?c=eu_ot&lang=en&prod=mfcj5720dw_us_eu_as Cheers, David.
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| From | jdd <jdd@dodin.org> |
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| Date | 2016-03-11 20:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? |
| Message-ID | <rbALn-2lN-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165251 |
Le 11/03/2016 19:39, David Wright a écrit : > It would seem odd to support PDF printing and be silent on the matter > in the printer's literature, eg www.printerbase.co.uk/spec/pdf/brother-mfcj5720dw.pdf says Supporting: JPEG, BMP, PDF, TIFF, PNG I read "PDF". It seems than most printers now support natively pdf to be able to print from card (without any interface) when they where supporting ps before. but there are so many versions... anyway if one wants to have full support, better write on the gutenprint mailing list, where people do really know what a printer is (much better than me) jdd
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-03-11 21:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rbBR8-38o-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165252 |
On Fri 11 Mar 2016 at 20:11:51 (+0100), jdd wrote: > Le 11/03/2016 19:39, David Wright a écrit : > > >It would seem odd to support PDF printing and be silent on the matter > >in the printer's literature, eg www.printerbase.co.uk/spec/pdf/brother-mfcj5720dw.pdf > > says > > Supporting: > > JPEG, BMP, PDF, TIFF, PNG > > > I read "PDF". Yes, I too can read four strings "PDF". On page two they are under the heading "Colour Scanner". On page three, they are (ambiguously) under the section "PhotoCapture Centre" / "Scan to card". Lots of cheap all-in-one scanners will do this. Their output files appear to be a few lines of PDF wrapping an image, viz. %PDF-1.3 % [4 non-ASCII chars snipped] 3 0 obj << /Type /XObject /Subtype /Image /Width 2480 /Height 3504 /BitsPerComponent 1 /Length 54844 /ColorSpace /DeviceGray /Filter /CCITTFaxDecode /DecodeParms << /K -1 /Rows 3504 /Columns 2480 /BlackIs1 false >> >> stream > It seems than most printers now support natively pdf to be able to > print from card (without any interface) when they where supporting > ps before. You must live in a different price bracket from me. When I worked in a university, all the (Apple) laser printers had genuine PS interpreters inside. Nothing I've ever owned has. They all print _JPEGs_ directly because that's what ordinary people want to print: photographs, not office documents. The printers which I've used since, those that can print raw PDF files, can do that directly from a stick; they take paper from half a dozen trays and put the output in little collated stacks. They also stand on the floor! Cheers, David.
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2016-03-11 23:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rbDpT-4rR-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165253 |
On Friday 11 March 2016 15:28:57 David Wright wrote: > On Fri 11 Mar 2016 at 20:11:51 (+0100), jdd wrote: > > Le 11/03/2016 19:39, David Wright a écrit : > > >It would seem odd to support PDF printing and be silent on the > > > matter in the printer's literature, eg > > > www.printerbase.co.uk/spec/pdf/brother-mfcj5720dw.pdf > > > > says > > > > Supporting: > > > > JPEG, BMP, PDF, TIFF, PNG > > > > > > I read "PDF". > > Yes, I too can read four strings "PDF". On page two they are under the > heading "Colour Scanner". On page three, they are (ambiguously) under > the section "PhotoCapture Centre" / "Scan to card". Lots of cheap > all-in-one scanners will do this. Their output files appear to be a > few lines of PDF wrapping an image, viz. > > %PDF-1.3 > % [4 non-ASCII chars snipped] > 3 0 obj > << /Type /XObject > /Subtype /Image > /Width 2480 > /Height 3504 > /BitsPerComponent 1 > /Length 54844 > /ColorSpace /DeviceGray > /Filter /CCITTFaxDecode > /DecodeParms > << /K -1 /Rows 3504 /Columns 2480 /BlackIs1 false >> > > stream > > > It seems than most printers now support natively pdf to be able to > > print from card (without any interface) when they where supporting > > ps before. > > You must live in a different price bracket from me. When I worked in > a university, all the (Apple) laser printers had genuine PS > interpreters inside. Nothing I've ever owned has. They all print > _JPEGs_ directly because that's what ordinary people want to print: > photographs, not office documents. > > The printers which I've used since, those that can print raw PDF > files, can do that directly from a stick; they take paper from half a > dozen trays and put the output in little collated stacks. They also > stand on the floor! > > Cheers, > David. Yup, that they do. They also cost around 35,000 USD to put it on YOUR floor. And the sw in the $35,000 Minolta dies on about page 102 when trying to print a pdf book. And Minolta's factory techs couldn't fix it, so I wound up using a pdf maker, feeding it 100 pages at a time, and fed that to the Minolta. Heck of a way to run a train. To compare, running the Brother drivers into an HL-3170CDW here, a low end color laser I bought for something over $400 USD 3 years ago, I have fed it several pdf's over 500 pages, biggest pdf was 674 pages, which it printed in duplex mode slowly because turning the paper over takes longer than print one side, and the only problem was a couple of paper jams. And guess what? When it jams, and you clear the jam, it reprints both sides of the damaged sheet without any prompting. What more could I ask? Brighter colors on normal $8 a ream paper. But thats it. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2016-03-12 09:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? |
| Message-ID | <rbN5T-39u-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165256 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 05:02:49PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: [...] > Yup, that they do. They also cost around 35,000 USD to put it on YOUR Now you're exaggerating. We have an (oldish) Brother "laser" networked printer which was quite affordable and understands pretty well PS (well, officially it's "brotherscript" -- really!) but it works nicely either from the whole CUPS gorilla or from a more traditional lprng installation. No blobs, no frills. Only this stupid 99.9% compatible PS ripoff is sometimes annoying, I guess if they'd left the (official or inofficial) copy of Ghostscript just alone instead of tweaking it, it'd be better. It is, fwiw a Brother HL 5170DN. Would I recommend it? Well, the mechanical quality is what you'd expect for the price. It tends to "decorate" its first pages with some creases. It is very low on mem, and its RIP isn't really fast. But it has done its job for well over seven years now. So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of fun at those who try to put some effort into avoiding binary blobs. It reminds me of the poking at vegetarians "now are snails vegetables or not?". I thought I left that behind in my teens. - -- t -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlbjylkACgkQBcgs9XrR2kaUYgCfQjJTQN2qNsPPKhE0VMC0xUXu n5oAn2pw1i+OQV8Z1KsbPe7XnkweQ9Wh =CQyw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | jdd <jdd@dodin.org> |
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| Date | 2016-03-12 10:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? |
| Message-ID | <rbNSi-3Im-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165262 |
Le 12/03/2016 08:50, tomas@tuxteam.de a écrit : > So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off > this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of > fun at those who try to put some effort into avoiding binary > blobs. no, not for me. there are two parts: having a hardware that just works, and for this Brother is better than many other makes, and getting free of privative software, which is better but harder. By the way it's a bit of a dead way: even RMS do not ask for free BIOS... when he could (there is work on the subject). I remember the time where every printer was sold with a manual stating what codes was giving what. So working toward a free driver is a good idea, but this have to be done with knowledgeable people, probably (no offense!) not to be found here but in gutenprint mailing list http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/ they list some brother mfc printers, so may be yours is not so far from support, if you help Brother MFC-6550MC brother-mfc-6550mc Brother-MFC-6550MC Brother MFC-8300 brother-mfc-8300 Brother-MFC-8300 Brother MFC-9500 brother-mfc-9500 Brother-MFC-9500 Brother MFC-9600 brother-mfc-9600 Brother-MFC-9600 (on the printer list, the names are not by alphabetic order) ask them (and report here, please :-) thanks jdd
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2016-03-12 13:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rbQwO-5MS-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165262 |
On Saturday 12 March 2016 02:50:49 tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 05:02:49PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > [...] > > > Yup, that they do. They also cost around 35,000 USD to put it on > > YOUR > > Now you're exaggerating. No I am not. We (the tv station where I spent my last 18 working year at as the Chief Engineer) needed another copier/printer about 15 years back as we were overwhelming the $17,000 model, people standing around waiting their turn, and the local office supply business sold us a Minolta that could, if you fed it the right supplies, even bind a book for you, and yes it was $35k at the time, plus of course an annual maintenance contract that was for same day service. It had everything but a coffee spigot on it. > We have an (oldish) Brother "laser" networked > printer which was quite affordable and understands pretty well PS > (well, officially it's "brotherscript" -- really!) but it works nicely > either from the whole CUPS gorilla or from a more traditional lprng > installation. > > No blobs, no frills. Only this stupid 99.9% compatible PS ripoff is > sometimes annoying, I guess if they'd left the (official or > inofficial) copy of Ghostscript just alone instead of tweaking it, > it'd be better. > > It is, fwiw a Brother HL 5170DN. Would I recommend it? Well, the > mechanical quality is what you'd expect for the price. It tends to > "decorate" its first pages with some creases. It is very low on > mem, and its RIP isn't really fast. But it has done its job for > well over seven years now. Much the same can be said for the HL3170CDW I have, its an entry level color laser. Beginning to have some smudge and streak troubles, but it has nearly 4000 pages thru it. And I just found it needs a full, pull the line cord out, powerdown reset to restore normal operation, a panel switch reboot doesn't cut it. It also needs a firmware update, but they have about 5 of them, each customised for the windows machine it takes to run the updater. But to find a winderz machine to run the updater isn't possible here as there aren't any here. 100% linux here. I've not tried our dfu utilities to see if that could work, and I'm not sure I could strip out the actual update from their windows packages. > So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off > this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of > fun at those who try to put some effort into avoiding binary > blobs. It reminds me of the poking at vegetarians "now are snails > vegetables or not?". I thought I left that behind in my teens. I very faintly recall my teen years, we were just finished with fighting WW=II then. > -- t Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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| From | deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-12 13:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rbQZP-61t-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165262 |
tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off > this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of > fun at those who try to put some effort into avoiding binary > blobs. It reminds me of the poking at vegetarians "now are snails > vegetables or not?". I thought I left that behind in my teens. And I left time wasting in my teens. It is not clear why OP would not install the vendor deb files. If s/he wants to gain security, he could do it in a different way and still use the printer. Example old Raspberry costs ~30-40$ and voila you have your dedicated printer with no network. Never mind - I wish him/her luck and perhaps s/he will update us later on the progress and findings. IMO it is not likely that one adds a spy software on such low cost device - what for? If you want to print confidentail information - there are other types of printers and setups you could do so. Doing some more usable things, could be more beneficial to him/her. Anyway this is a personal choice, but the effort seems silly, so we (I think I am not the only one) have spoken and warned him/her. regards
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| From | Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> |
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| Date | 2016-03-12 14:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? |
| Message-ID | <rbRCy-6DQ-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165277 |
On 12/03/2016 11:32 PM, deloptes wrote: > IMO it is not likely that one adds a spy software on such low cost device - > what for? If you want to print confidentail information - there are other > types of printers and setups you could do so. Well, it doesn't need to have it's own /spyware/ .... it might be badly setup and perhaps be taken over by something smarter. This whole IoT is very dangerous -- talk of putting them all on their own network is not enough as each can attack each other and any of them can try to compromise the /other/ network via jumping on to the network it is not supposed to know about. And yes, that might be extreme, but people are too trusting of junk that is polluting this world just to make another dollar quickly; junk that isn't secure to start with and too cheap to ever consider that to change. A.
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-12 13:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rbR9w-65c-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165262 |
On Saturday 12 March 2016 07:50:49 tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off > this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of > fun at those who try to put some effort into avoiding binary > blobs. It reminds me of the poking at vegetarians "now are snails > vegetables or not?". I thought I left that behind in my teens. And the Everything Free brigade is so pleasant to anyone who wants to use binary blobs?? I was nearly lynched for wanting to use something from the non-free repository. Why can't we all live and let live? And all I have seen in this thread is people not comprehending. No-one being unpleasant and castigating. I have a ball if anyone would like it. ;-) Lisi
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| From | Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> |
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| Date | 2016-03-12 14:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? |
| Message-ID | <rbRMe-6It-23@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165278 |
On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:46:08 +0000
Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:
> And the Everything Free brigade is so pleasant to anyone who wants to use
> binary blobs??
Because, it seems, for some people "Linux is about freedom of choice" means "you are free to accept MY choices, and no other".
Cheers,
Ron.
--
Let us consider that arbitrary power has seldom
or never been introduced into any country at once
It must be introduced by slow degrees,
and as it were step by step,
lest the people see its approach.
---Lord Chesterfield
-- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2016-03-12 19:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rbWLU-1YR-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165282 |
On Saturday 12 March 2016 08:21:14 Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:46:08 +0000 > > Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote: > > And the Everything Free brigade is so pleasant to anyone who wants > > to use binary blobs?? > > Because, it seems, for some people "Linux is about freedom of choice" > means "you are free to accept MY choices, and no other". > > Cheers, > > Ron. Give this man a bigger nail, he hits this one very well indeed. :) Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-03-12 20:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups? |
| Message-ID | <rbXeW-2sL-17@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165300 |
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 13:47:06 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 12 March 2016 08:21:14 Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > > On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:46:08 +0000 > > > > Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote: > > > And the Everything Free brigade is so pleasant to anyone who wants > > > to use binary blobs?? > > > > Because, it seems, for some people "Linux is about freedom of choice" > > means "you are free to accept MY choices, and no other". > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ron. > > Give this man a bigger nail, he hits this one very well indeed. :) A big spoon for stirring and continuing to spread this view would be more suitable. :) Debian is not about freedom of choice. Can this be seen in the Social Contract?
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2016-03-12 21:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rbXRE-2KY-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #165305 |
On Saturday 12 March 2016 14:18:25 Brian wrote: > On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 13:47:06 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Saturday 12 March 2016 08:21:14 Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > > On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:46:08 +0000 > > > > > > Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > And the Everything Free brigade is so pleasant to anyone who > > > > wants to use binary blobs?? > > > > > > Because, it seems, for some people "Linux is about freedom of > > > choice" means "you are free to accept MY choices, and no other". > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Ron. > > > > Give this man a bigger nail, he hits this one very well indeed. :) > > A big spoon for stirring and continuing to spread this view would be > more suitable. :) I do believe you are correct, some aplause needed here. > > Debian is not about freedom of choice. Can this be seen in the Social > Contract? DNK :( Haven't read it recently enough. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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