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  flash? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-14 17:30 +0100
    Re: flash? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-14 17:30 +0100
      Re: flash? Alex Mestiashvili <mailatgoogl@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 18:00 +0100
        Re: flash? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-14 19:10 +0100
      Re: flash? Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 18:50 +0100
        Re: flash? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 19:00 +0100
          Re: flash? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-14 19:20 +0100
            Re: flash? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@galactic.demon.co.uk> - 2016-03-14 22:40 +0100
              Re: flash? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 00:20 +0100
                Re: flash? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@galactic.demon.co.uk> - 2016-03-15 00:50 +0100
            Re: flash? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 00:20 +0100
              Re: flash? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-15 02:50 +0100
        Re: flash? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-14 19:10 +0100
      Re: flash? Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com> - 2016-03-14 19:50 +0100
    Re: flash? [OT] Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-03-14 19:10 +0100
      Re: flash? [OT] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-03-14 19:20 +0100
        Re: flash? [OT] Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2016-03-14 20:10 +0100
          Re: flash? [OT] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-14 21:00 +0100
            Re: flash? [OT] Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-15 03:40 +0100
              Re: flash? [OT] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-03-15 03:50 +0100
                Re: flash? [OT] Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-15 04:50 +0100
                Re: flash? [OT] Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2016-03-15 05:00 +0100
                  Re: flash? [OT] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 10:00 +0100
                    "A Modest Proposal" - was [Re: flash? [OT]] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-03-15 11:40 +0100
                      Re: "A Modest Proposal" - was [Re: flash? [OT]] deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 15:20 +0100
                        Re: "A Modest Proposal" - was [Re: flash? [OT]] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-03-15 16:00 +0100
                      Re: "A Modest Proposal" - was [Re: flash? [OT]] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 17:50 +0100
                        Re: "A Modest Proposal" - was [Re: flash? [OT]] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-03-16 01:50 +0100
                          Re: "A Modest Proposal" - was [Re: flash? [OT]] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 02:50 +0100
                    Re: flash? [OT] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-15 21:00 +0100
                      Re: flash? [OT] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 02:50 +0100
                        Re: flash? [OT] Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 14:00 +0100
                          Re: flash? [OT] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 15:00 +0100
                            Re: flash? [OT] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 16:20 +0100
                              Re: flash? [OT] Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 16:50 +0100
                                Re: flash? [OT] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 17:30 +0100
                                  Re: flash? [OT] Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 23:40 +0100
                  Re: flash? [OT] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-15 21:20 +0100
                Re: flash? [OT] Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 22:10 +0100
                  Re: flash? [OT] Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-17 17:10 +0100
                    Re: flash? [OT] Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 17:40 +0100
                      Re: flash? [OT] Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-17 17:50 +0100
                        Re: flash? [OT] Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-03-17 19:10 +0100
        Re: flash? [OT] Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-15 03:40 +0100
      Re: flash? [OT] Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 21:20 +0100
        Re: flash? [OT] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-14 21:30 +0100
          Re: flash? [OT] Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 22:00 +0100
            Re: flash? [OT] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-03-16 00:00 +0100
              Re: flash? [OT] Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 05:00 +0100
      Re: flash? [OT] Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-15 03:40 +0100
        Re: flash? [OT] deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 08:40 +0100
          Re: flash? [OT] Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-03-17 17:10 +0100

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#165361 — flash?

Greetings;

Adobe just announced a whole passel of fixes, including the linux flash.  

When do we get them?

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#165362

On Monday 14 March 2016 12:22:45 Gene Heskett wrote:

> Greetings;
>
> Adobe just announced a whole passel of fixes, including the linux
> flash.
>
> When do we get them?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

And a second question:

How do I modify the apt-get sources files entry for mozilla/firefox so it 
works again?

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#165365

On 03/14/2016 05:28 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 14 March 2016 12:22:45 Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
>> Greetings;
>>
>> Adobe just announced a whole passel of fixes, including the linux
>> flash.
>>
>> When do we get them?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> 
> And a second question:
> 
> How do I modify the apt-get sources files entry for mozilla/firefox so it 
> works again?
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> 

Well, flash is evil :)

update-flashplugin-nonfree  --status (flashplugin-nonfree) package

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#165371

On Monday 14 March 2016 12:34:58 Alex Mestiashvili wrote:

> On 03/14/2016 05:28 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Monday 14 March 2016 12:22:45 Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> Greetings;
> >>
> >> Adobe just announced a whole passel of fixes, including the linux
> >> flash.
> >>
> >> When do we get them?
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> >
> > And a second question:
> >
> > How do I modify the apt-get sources files entry for mozilla/firefox
> > so it works again?
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> Well, flash is evil :)
>
> update-flashplugin-nonfree  --status (flashplugin-nonfree) package

No update available, wheezy-updates and wheezy-backports is suddenly not 
available, and the gpg keys aren't any good either, so how do I fix that 
first, then maybe the rest of it will work again?

Seems debian folks have throw wheezy under the bus already.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#165368

	Hi.

On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 12:28:05PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> And a second question:
> 
> How do I modify the apt-get sources files entry for mozilla/firefox so it 
> works again?

I saw this gem in another thread today:

deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports firefox-esr

Reco

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#165369

On Monday 14 March 2016 17:39:49 Reco wrote:
> 	Hi.
>
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 12:28:05PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > And a second question:
> >
> > How do I modify the apt-get sources files entry for mozilla/firefox so it
> > works again?
>
> I saw this gem in another thread today:
>
> deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports firefox-esr


deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports firefox-release

for those of us on wheezy.  And you'll need the key if you haven't got it.

Lisi

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#165374

On Monday 14 March 2016 13:50:10 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Monday 14 March 2016 17:39:49 Reco wrote:
> > 	Hi.
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 12:28:05PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > And a second question:
> > >
> > > How do I modify the apt-get sources files entry for
> > > mozilla/firefox so it works again?
> >
> > I saw this gem in another thread today:
> >
> > deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports firefox-esr
>
> deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports firefox-release
>
> for those of us on wheezy.  And you'll need the key if you haven't got
> it.
>
> Lisi

My wheezy-backports, and wheezy-update gpg keys are all being reported as 
defunct.  And I have done exactly zero to sources.list in months, so I 
assume it something debian has done in the last 2 or 3 weeks.

So how do I fix that?, then maybe other stuff will work again.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#165387

On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 02:11:44PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 14 March 2016 13:50:10 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> 
> > On Monday 14 March 2016 17:39:49 Reco wrote:
> > > 	Hi.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 12:28:05PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > And a second question:
> > > >
> > > > How do I modify the apt-get sources files entry for
> > > > mozilla/firefox so it works again?
> > >
> > > I saw this gem in another thread today:
> > >
> > > deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports firefox-esr
> >
> > deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports firefox-release
> >
> > for those of us on wheezy.  And you'll need the key if you haven't got
> > it.
> >
> > Lisi
> 
> My wheezy-backports, and wheezy-update gpg keys are all being reported as 
> defunct.  And I have done exactly zero to sources.list in months, so I 
> assume it something debian has done in the last 2 or 3 weeks.
> 

Be aware that Squeeze (Debian 6.*) has just ceased long term support.

Debian 8.4 and Debian 7.9 are about to come out in a couple of weeks.

Wheezy is about to be moved to LTS - kernel and the most important packages
only updated.

We're hoping to release Debian 9 early next year with Debian kernel 4.10

In the meantime, there's Debian 8 which works fine for most purposes but 
maybe not for your CNC distribution. Maybe you need to prod them to update
their software.

All the best, as ever,

AndyC


> So how do I fix that?, then maybe other stuff will work again.
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> -- 
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#165392

On Monday 14 March 2016 21:33:28 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> Debian 8.4 and Debian 7.9 are about to come out in a couple of weeks.
>
> Wheezy is about to be moved to LTS - kernel and the most important packages
> only updated.

Erm.. 7.9 IS Wheezy. :-(   And I have 7.9 already.  You must have meant 
something other than 7.9.

lisi@Tux-II:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
7.9
lisi@Tux-II:~$

And my keys are still working.  I just ran an update.

Lisi

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#165393

On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 11:17:52PM +0000, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Monday 14 March 2016 21:33:28 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > Debian 8.4 and Debian 7.9 are about to come out in a couple of weeks.
> >
> > Wheezy is about to be moved to LTS - kernel and the most important packages
> > only updated.
> 
> Erm.. 7.9 IS Wheezy. :-(   And I have 7.9 already.  You must have meant 
> something other than 7.9.
> 
> lisi@Tux-II:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
> 7.9
> lisi@Tux-II:~$
> 
> And my keys are still working.  I just ran an update.
> 
> Lisi

7.10 was what I meant - due in a couple of weeks.

It's been a long day :)

AndyC

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#165391

On Monday 14 March 2016 18:11:44 Gene Heskett wrote:
> My wheezy-backports, and wheezy-update gpg keys are all being reported as
> defunct.

If they are being reported as outdated, are you not being given the chance to 
update them?  I only did the change I posted and now have FIrefox - FWIW.

Lisi

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#165394

On Monday 14 March 2016 19:11:34 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Monday 14 March 2016 18:11:44 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > My wheezy-backports, and wheezy-update gpg keys are all being
> > reported as defunct.
>
> If they are being reported as outdated, are you not being given the
> chance to update them? 

No, or I would have.

> I only did the change I posted and now have 
> FIrefox - FWIW.

Which msg?
>
> Lisi

Thanks Lisi.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#165372

On Monday 14 March 2016 13:39:49 Reco wrote:

> 	Hi.
>
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 12:28:05PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > And a second question:
> >
> > How do I modify the apt-get sources files entry for mozilla/firefox
> > so it works again?
>
> I saw this gem in another thread today:
>
> deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports firefox-esr
>
> Reco

Yes, but A, I am stuck on wheezy until a new LCNC release iso is ready, 
and B, all my debian keys for wheezy-updates and wheezy-backports are 
suddenly defunct.

How do I fix that?

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#165375

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On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 12:28:05 -0400
Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:

>On Monday 14 March 2016 12:22:45 Gene Heskett wrote:
>
>> Greetings;
>>
>> Adobe just announced a whole passel of fixes, including the linux
>> flash.
>>
>> When do we get them?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Cheers, Gene Heskett  
>
>And a second question:
>
>How do I modify the apt-get sources files entry for mozilla/firefox so it 
>works again?

They did not make it intuitive, at all. Here is the web page that
explains how to make firefox work.



- -- 
Charlie Kravetz
Linux Registered User Number 425914
[http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html]
Never let anyone steal your DREAM.   [http://keepingdreams.com]
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#165370 — Re: flash? [OT]

IMHO its worth to try the web without flash.
HTML5 can do a lot nowadays.
And visiting sites without using flash helps to get rid of it.

Regards,
jvp.

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#165373 — Re: flash? [OT]

On Monday 14 March 2016 14:06:27 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:

> IMHO its worth to try the web without flash.
> HTML5 can do a lot nowadays.
> And visiting sites without using flash helps to get rid of it.
>
> Regards,
> jvp.

100% in agreement, but the major mainsleaze news site seem to be stuck 
with it.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#165376 — Re: flash? [OT]

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On 15/03/2016 5:13 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 14 March 2016 14:06:27 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> 
>> IMHO its worth to try the web without flash.
>> HTML5 can do a lot nowadays.
>> And visiting sites without using flash helps to get rid of it.

The sooner, the better.... Flash needs to die ASAP.

AndrewM

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#165382 — Re: flash? [OT]

On Tue 15 Mar 2016 at 06:00:27 +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:

> On 15/03/2016 5:13 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Monday 14 March 2016 14:06:27 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> > 
> >> IMHO its worth to try the web without flash.
> >> HTML5 can do a lot nowadays.
> >> And visiting sites without using flash helps to get rid of it.
> 
> The sooner, the better.... Flash needs to die ASAP.

Explain that to the BBC and then get the agreement of all the other TV
companies who have invested heavily in the technology.

Most Debian users just use a TV service. Debian itself doesn't care how
it is delivered. Avoiding using something like iPlayer as a way of
hastening the demise of flash is nonsense. The outcome is that you do
not see the program and the BBC carries on as normal.

Does it even notice you didn't even visit its site? "By God", they say,
Brian didn't watch Happy Valley; why not?; we must do something about
this.

Total nonsense.

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#165395 — Re: flash? [OT]

On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 19:50:15 +0000 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:

> On Tue 15 Mar 2016 at 06:00:27 +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> 
> > On 15/03/2016 5:13 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Monday 14 March 2016 14:06:27 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> > > 
> > >> IMHO its worth to try the web without flash.
> > >> HTML5 can do a lot nowadays.
> > >> And visiting sites without using flash helps to get rid of it.
> > 
> > The sooner, the better.... Flash needs to die ASAP.
>
> Total nonsense.

This is a very silly position. Of course *one person* declining to use
Flash isn't going to change anything- but that one person can influence
others to do so, and then others will boycott Flash, etc. How is it
that positive systemic changes are made in the real world? By the
action of the masses, and the action of the masses starts with the
action of individuals.

Nothing would ever happen if everyone adopted the logic of "oh well, I'm
alone so I can't change anything". The journey of a thousand miles
starts with a single step.

> Does it even notice you didn't even visit its site? "By God", they
> say, Brian didn't watch Happy Valley; why not?; we must do something
> about this.

They will notice when lots of people no longer use Flash, and we will
force them to react accordingly.

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#165399 — Re: flash? [OT]

On Tue 15 Mar 2016 at 05:30:28 (+0300), Adam Wilson wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 19:50:15 +0000 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue 15 Mar 2016 at 06:00:27 +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> > 
> > > On 15/03/2016 5:13 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Monday 14 March 2016 14:06:27 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >> IMHO its worth to try the web without flash.
> > > >> HTML5 can do a lot nowadays.
> > > >> And visiting sites without using flash helps to get rid of it.
> > > 
> > > The sooner, the better.... Flash needs to die ASAP.
> >
> > Total nonsense.
> 
> This is a very silly position. Of course *one person* declining to use
> Flash isn't going to change anything- but that one person can influence
> others to do so, and then others will boycott Flash, etc. How is it
> that positive systemic changes are made in the real world? By the
> action of the masses, and the action of the masses starts with the
> action of individuals.
> 
> Nothing would ever happen if everyone adopted the logic of "oh well, I'm
> alone so I can't change anything". The journey of a thousand miles
> starts with a single step.
> 
> > Does it even notice you didn't even visit its site? "By God", they
> > say, Brian didn't watch Happy Valley; why not?; we must do something
> > about this.
> 
> They will notice when lots of people no longer use Flash, and we will
> force them to react accordingly.
> 

Please stop trolling on this list.

Cheers,
David.

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