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  Re: debian-user list problem maderios <maderios@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 12:20 +0200
    Re: debian-user list problem <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-10-11 12:40 +0200
      Re: debian-user list problem "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2015-10-11 13:20 +0200
        Re: debian-user list problem <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-10-11 13:30 +0200
        Re: debian-user list problem Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 13:40 +0200
      Re: debian-user list problem Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-11 13:30 +0200
    Re: debian-user list problem Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 12:40 +0200
      Re: debian-user list problem maderios <maderios@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 14:10 +0200
        Re: debian-user list problem Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 14:20 +0200
          Re: debian-user list problem maderios <maderios@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 14:40 +0200
            Re: debian-user list problem <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-10-11 14:40 +0200
            Solved_Re: debian-user list problem maderios <maderios@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 20:30 +0200
        Re: debian-user list problem <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-10-11 14:20 +0200
          Re: debian-user list problem Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 14:30 +0200
            Re: debian-user list problem <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-10-11 14:40 +0200
          Re: debian-user list problem Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-11 14:40 +0200
            Re: debian-user list problem <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-10-11 15:00 +0200
              Re: debian-user list problem Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-11 15:50 +0200
                Re: debian-user list problem <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-10-11 16:00 +0200
                  Re: debian-user list problem Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-11 16:10 +0200
                    Re: debian-user list problem <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-10-11 17:40 +0200
                      Re: debian-user list problem Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-11 20:00 +0200
                        Re: debian-user list problem <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-10-11 21:20 +0200
                          Re: debian-user list problem Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-11 22:00 +0200
        Re: debian-user list problem Francesco Ariis <fa-ml@ariis.it> - 2015-10-11 14:20 +0200
          Re: debian-user list problem <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-10-11 14:30 +0200
          Re: debian-user list problem moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-10-11 20:10 +0200
            Re: debian-user list problem John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-10-11 20:30 +0200
            Re: debian-user list problem Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-11 20:30 +0200
              Re: debian-user list problem moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-10-12 17:10 +0200
                Re: debian-user list problem moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-10-12 17:40 +0200
                Re: debian-user list problem Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-12 17:50 +0200
                  Re: debian-user list problem moxalt <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2015-10-13 16:00 +0200
            Re: debian-user list problem Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 22:00 +0200
              Re: debian-user list problem maderios <maderios@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 23:50 +0200
                Re: debian-user list problem Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-12 00:00 +0200
                  Re: debian-user list problem maderios <maderios@gmail.com> - 2015-10-12 16:30 +0200
        Re: debian-user list problem Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 18:10 +0200
          Re: debian-user list problem Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-11 20:00 +0200

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#158838 — Re: debian-user list problem

I try to answer. I have to read first the web page, it's not so easy. Sorry.
Some details:
I subscribed for many years to debian-user, debian-user-french, 
digikam-users, enlightenment-users.
All works perfectly *now*, except for debian-user list since I posted 
this message some days ago.
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/10/msg00201.html
I try to understand what happens. I wonder if debian-user list considers 
me as a spammer.
-- 
Maderios

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#158839

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On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 11:29:59AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 11 October 2015 11:18:25 maderios wrote:
> > I try to answer. I have to read first the web page, it's not so easy.
> > Sorry. Some details:

[...]


> > I try to understand what happens. I wonder if debian-user list considers
> > me as a spammer.
> 
> If it considered you a spammer, it would be *we* who do not get *your* emails, 
> not the other way round.  You are still subscribed.  We are getting your 
> emails.  Perhaps *your* spam checker has decided that the Debian List is 
> Spam.  Have you checked?  
> 
> There doesn't seem to be a problem this end.  It really must be your end.

Exactly. We can read your posts, no problem. Perhaps it's your mail provider
(googlemail) who's overdoing the spam filter?

Regards
- -- tomas
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#158845

Hi,

Lisi Reisz wrote to Maderios:
> You are still subscribed.

Is he ?
(Is there a list of members ?)

To Maderios:
What happens if you try to subscribe again with the same
e-mail address ?

I cannot yet imagine how your mail of Oct 8 could unsubscribe
you. But one never knows.


Lisi Reisz wrote:
> Perhaps *your* spam checker has decided that the Debian List is Spam.

tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Perhaps it's your mail provider (googlemail) who's overdoing the
> spam filter?

One suspicious thing about my own echoed mails to debian-user is
that they state to come from myself on a long round trip through
the mail server network. At least the "Received:" headers tell so.
  From: Thomas Schmitt <scdbackup@gmx.net>
  Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org

Not all mail providers tolerate this despite the Resent-From header.
The SYSLINUX mailing list meanwhile resends as
  From: Thomas Schmitt via Syslinux <syslinux@zytor.com>
  Reply-To: Thomas Schmitt <scdbackup@gmx.net>


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#158846

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On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 01:20:14PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Lisi Reisz wrote to Maderios:
> > You are still subscribed.
> 
> Is he ?
> (Is there a list of members ?)

Thomas, insightful as always :-)

You're quite right: one is able to post to this list without being
subscribed... perhaps maderios' subscription just "disappeared"
for whatever reasons.

regards
- -- t
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#158851

On Sunday 11 October 2015 12:20:14 Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Lisi Reisz wrote to Maderios:
> > You are still subscribed.
>
> Is he ?
> (Is there a list of members ?)

D'oh!  I was forgetting that this list is not subscribers only.

Lisi
>
> To Maderios:
> What happens if you try to subscribe again with the same
> e-mail address ?
>
> I cannot yet imagine how your mail of Oct 8 could unsubscribe
> you. But one never knows.
>
> Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > Perhaps *your* spam checker has decided that the Debian List is Spam.
>
> tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > Perhaps it's your mail provider (googlemail) who's overdoing the
> > spam filter?
>
> One suspicious thing about my own echoed mails to debian-user is
> that they state to come from myself on a long round trip through
> the mail server network. At least the "Received:" headers tell so.
>   From: Thomas Schmitt <scdbackup@gmx.net>
>   Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> Not all mail providers tolerate this despite the Resent-From header.
> The SYSLINUX mailing list meanwhile resends as
>   From: Thomas Schmitt via Syslinux <syslinux@zytor.com>
>   Reply-To: Thomas Schmitt <scdbackup@gmx.net>
>
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas

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#158847

On Sun 11 Oct 2015 at 12:04:20 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 11:29:59AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Sunday 11 October 2015 11:18:25 maderios wrote:
> > > I try to answer. I have to read first the web page, it's not so easy.
> > > Sorry. Some details:
> 
> [...]
> 
> 
> > > I try to understand what happens. I wonder if debian-user list considers
> > > me as a spammer.
> > 
> > If it considered you a spammer, it would be *we* who do not get *your* emails, 
> > not the other way round.  You are still subscribed.  We are getting your 
> > emails.  Perhaps *your* spam checker has decided that the Debian List is 
> > Spam.  Have you checked?  
> > 
> > There doesn't seem to be a problem this end.  It really must be your end.
> 
> Exactly. We can read your posts, no problem. Perhaps it's your mail provider
> (googlemail) who's overdoing the spam filter?

Being able to send a mail to the list is no indication of whether the
sender is subscribed. I would re-subscribe with the same or a different
address (or both) to test being able to receive mail from the list.

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#158840

On Sunday 11 October 2015 11:18:25 maderios wrote:
> I try to answer. I have to read first the web page, it's not so easy.
> Sorry. Some details:
> I subscribed for many years to debian-user, debian-user-french,
> digikam-users, enlightenment-users.
> All works perfectly *now*, except for debian-user list since I posted
> this message some days ago.
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/10/msg00201.html
> I try to understand what happens. I wonder if debian-user list considers
> me as a spammer.

If it considered you a spammer, it would be *we* who do not get *your* emails, 
not the other way round.  You are still subscribed.  We are getting your 
emails.  Perhaps *your* spam checker has decided that the Debian List is 
Spam.  Have you checked?  

There doesn't seem to be a problem this end.  It really must be your end.

Lisi

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#158853

On 10/11/2015 12:29 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 11 October 2015 11:18:25 maderios wrote:
>> I try to answer. I have to read first the web page, it's not so easy.
>> Sorry. Some details:
>> I subscribed for many years to debian-user, debian-user-french,
>> digikam-users, enlightenment-users.
>> All works perfectly *now*, except for debian-user list since I posted
>> this message some days ago.
>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/10/msg00201.html
>> I try to understand what happens. I wonder if debian-user list considers
>> me as a spammer.
>
> If it considered you a spammer, it would be *we* who do not get *your* emails,
> not the other way round.  You are still subscribed.  We are getting your
> emails.  Perhaps *your* spam checker has decided that the Debian List is
> Spam.  Have you checked?
>
> There doesn't seem to be a problem this end.  It really must be your end.
>
> Lisi
>
Strangely, it works partially now, only for this thread 'debian-user 
list problem'. I receive mail with this thread but I can't receive mail 
from other threads.
About my spam box: I watch it very often. It is empty.

-- 
Maderios

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#158857

On Sunday 11 October 2015 13:08:34 maderios wrote:
> On 10/11/2015 12:29 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Sunday 11 October 2015 11:18:25 maderios wrote:
> >> I try to answer. I have to read first the web page, it's not so easy.
> >> Sorry. Some details:
> >> I subscribed for many years to debian-user, debian-user-french,
> >> digikam-users, enlightenment-users.
> >> All works perfectly *now*, except for debian-user list since I posted
> >> this message some days ago.
> >> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/10/msg00201.html
> >> I try to understand what happens. I wonder if debian-user list considers
> >> me as a spammer.
> >
> > If it considered you a spammer, it would be *we* who do not get *your*
> > emails, not the other way round.  You are still subscribed.  We are
> > getting your emails.  Perhaps *your* spam checker has decided that the
> > Debian List is Spam.  Have you checked?
> >
> > There doesn't seem to be a problem this end.  It really must be your end.
> >
> > Lisi
>
> Strangely, it works partially now, only for this thread 'debian-user
> list problem'. I receive mail with this thread but I can't receive mail
> from other threads.
> About my spam box: I watch it very often. It is empty.

Some of us are sending you personal copies in this thread to make sure that 
you get them.  E.g I have with this one.  

Have you tried to re-subscribe as others have suggested?  It's worth a try - I 
had forgotten that this list is not subscribers only, so your emails could 
reach us even if you were not subscribed.

Lisi

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#158862

On 10/11/2015 02:16 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 11 October 2015 13:08:34 maderios wrote:
>> On 10/11/2015 12:29 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>>> On Sunday 11 October 2015 11:18:25 maderios wrote:
>>>> I try to answer. I have to read first the web page, it's not so easy.
>>>> Sorry. Some details:
>>>> I subscribed for many years to debian-user, debian-user-french,
>>>> digikam-users, enlightenment-users.
>>>> All works perfectly *now*, except for debian-user list since I posted
>>>> this message some days ago.
>>>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/10/msg00201.html
>>>> I try to understand what happens. I wonder if debian-user list considers
>>>> me as a spammer.
>>>
>>> If it considered you a spammer, it would be *we* who do not get *your*
>>> emails, not the other way round.  You are still subscribed.  We are
>>> getting your emails.  Perhaps *your* spam checker has decided that the
>>> Debian List is Spam.  Have you checked?
>>>
>>> There doesn't seem to be a problem this end.  It really must be your end.
>>>
>>> Lisi
>>
>> Strangely, it works partially now, only for this thread 'debian-user
>> list problem'. I receive mail with this thread but I can't receive mail
>> from other threads.
>> About my spam box: I watch it very often. It is empty.
>
> Some of us are sending you personal copies in this thread to make sure that
> you get them.  E.g I have with this one.
>
> Have you tried to re-subscribe as others have suggested?  It's worth a try - I
> had forgotten that this list is not subscribers only, so your emails could
> reach us even if you were not subscribed.
>
> Lisi
>
Hi
I could subscribe 'normaly' 3 minute ago to this list.
I don't understand because I never unscribed myself. Only me (or my cat 
:)  ) can use my computer... May be a bug?
I hope it works now.
Thanks to everybody
Greetings

-- 
Maderios

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#158863

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On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 02:31:47PM +0200, maderios wrote:

[...]

> Hi
> I could subscribe 'normaly' 3 minute ago to this list.
> I don't understand because I never unscribed myself. Only me (or my
> cat :)  ) can use my computer... May be a bug?

or a cat.

regards
- -- t
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#158897 — Solved_Re: debian-user list problem

On 10/11/2015 02:31 PM, maderios wrote:
> I could subscribe 'normaly' 3 minute ago to this list.
> I don't understand because I never unscribed myself. Only me (or my cat
> :)  ) can use my computer... May be a bug?
> I hope it works now.
> Thanks to everybody
> Greetings
>
Sorry for noise.
I forgot 'Solved'
Done
-- 
Maderios

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#158858

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On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 02:08:34PM +0200, maderios wrote:

[...]

> Strangely, it works partially now, only for this thread 'debian-user
> list problem'. I receive mail with this thread but I can't receive
> mail from other threads.
> About my spam box: I watch it very often. It is empty.

This smells *strongly* of some "smart" mail pre-filtering[1] being
done at Google's side (I have seen this also on Microsoft services):
MTA drops the mail (when you're lucky your MTA gets a reject); this
ban is lifted partially when you first mail the other side, so there's
"correspondence"[2].

The gorillas breaking mail, because they can get away with it, if you
ask me.

Complain at Google. Perhaps it helps.

- - - - - - - - -
[1] Don't get mi wrong: I'm all for getting rid of most spam "at the
  beginning", but once you accept a mail at MTA level you *must* deal
  with it.

[2] Just conclusions from incomplete observations: I might well be
  wrong!

Regards
- -- tomás
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#158860

On Sunday 11 October 2015 12:43:50 tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
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> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 02:08:34PM +0200, maderios wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Strangely, it works partially now, only for this thread 'debian-user
> > list problem'. I receive mail with this thread but I can't receive
> > mail from other threads.
> > About my spam box: I watch it very often. It is empty.
>
> This smells *strongly* of some "smart" mail pre-filtering[1] being
> done at Google's side 

I think it just means that some of us are cc-ing him, :-)

Lisi

> (I have seen this also on Microsoft services): 
> MTA drops the mail (when you're lucky your MTA gets a reject); this
> ban is lifted partially when you first mail the other side, so there's
> "correspondence"[2].
>
> The gorillas breaking mail, because they can get away with it, if you
> ask me.
>
> Complain at Google. Perhaps it helps.
>
> - - - - - - - - -
> [1] Don't get mi wrong: I'm all for getting rid of most spam "at the
>   beginning", but once you accept a mail at MTA level you *must* deal
>   with it.
>
> [2] Just conclusions from incomplete observations: I might well be
>   wrong!
>
> Regards
> - -- tomás

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#158864

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On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 01:24:45PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:

[...]

> I think it just means that some of us are cc-ing him, :-)

See my other mail: definitely the more plausible explanation :-)

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#158865

On Sun 11 Oct 2015 at 13:43:50 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 02:08:34PM +0200, maderios wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > Strangely, it works partially now, only for this thread 'debian-user
> > list problem'. I receive mail with this thread but I can't receive
> > mail from other threads.
> > About my spam box: I watch it very often. It is empty.
> 
> This smells *strongly* of some "smart" mail pre-filtering[1] being
> done at Google's side (I have seen this also on Microsoft services):
> MTA drops the mail (when you're lucky your MTA gets a reject); this
> ban is lifted partially when you first mail the other side, so there's
> "correspondence"[2].
> 
> The gorillas breaking mail, because they can get away with it, if you
> ask me.
> 
> Complain at Google. Perhaps it helps.

How do you work out that the OP's subscription address is a gmail one?

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#158866

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On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 01:37:03PM +0100, Brian wrote:

[...]

> > Complain at Google. Perhaps it helps.
> 
> How do you work out that the OP's subscription address is a gmail one?

Crystal ball. Plus... reading mail headers (some excerpts):

| From bounce-debian-user=tomas=tuxteam.de@lists.debian.org Sun Oct 11 13:34:12 2015
| [...]
| Received: from bendel.debian.org ([82.195.75.100])
| [...]
| DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
|         d=gmail.com; s=20120113;
| [...]
| X-Received: by 10.194.52.106 with SMTP id s10mr23519981wjo.35.1444565316213;
|         Sun, 11 Oct 2015 05:08:36 -0700 (PDT)
| Received: from [192.168.2.21] (ARouen-655-1-43-67.w92-152.abo.wanadoo.fr. [92.152.186.67])
|         by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id r4sm6597978wia.19.2015.10.11.05.08.35
|         (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128);
|         Sun, 11 Oct 2015 05:08:35 -0700 (PDT)
| Message-ID: <561A5142.603@gmail.com>
| [...]

But my guess wrt the problem was nevertheless wrong :-)

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#158868

On Sun 11 Oct 2015 at 14:15:15 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 01:37:03PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > > Complain at Google. Perhaps it helps.
> > 
> > How do you work out that the OP's subscription address is a gmail one?
> 
> Crystal ball. Plus... reading mail headers (some excerpts):

I think I prefer the crystal ball method. :)

> | From bounce-debian-user=tomas=tuxteam.de@lists.debian.org Sun Oct 11 13:34:12 2015
> | [...]
> | Received: from bendel.debian.org ([82.195.75.100])
> | [...]
> | DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
> |         d=gmail.com; s=20120113;
> | [...]
> | X-Received: by 10.194.52.106 with SMTP id s10mr23519981wjo.35.1444565316213;
> |         Sun, 11 Oct 2015 05:08:36 -0700 (PDT)
> | Received: from [192.168.2.21] (ARouen-655-1-43-67.w92-152.abo.wanadoo.fr. [92.152.186.67])
> |         by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id r4sm6597978wia.19.2015.10.11.05.08.35
> |         (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128);
> |         Sun, 11 Oct 2015 05:08:35 -0700 (PDT)
> | Message-ID: <561A5142.603@gmail.com>
> | [...]

This shows a mail received by bendel.debian.org *from* gmail. It says 
nothing about the OP's subscribed address (where mails are *sent to*
from the list). It does show your subscribed address, however.

I was wondering what the significance of LDOSUBSCRIBER in the headers
of the first mail in this thread is.

X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.9 required=4.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,                                     
        DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VERIFIED,FREEMAIL_FROM,LDOSUBSCRIBER,LDO_WHITELIST,                                
        RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0

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#158870

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On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 02:40:15PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Sun 11 Oct 2015 at 14:15:15 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 01:37:03PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > > > Complain at Google. Perhaps it helps.
> > > 
> > > How do you work out that the OP's subscription address is a gmail one?
> > 
> > Crystal ball. Plus... reading mail headers (some excerpts):
> 
> I think I prefer the crystal ball method. :)

I was too terse. I wanted to say that my method involves crystal ball
parts and header reading parts.

> > | From bounce-debian-user=tomas=tuxteam.de@lists.debian.org Sun Oct 11 13:34:12 2015
> > | [...]
> > | Received: from bendel.debian.org ([82.195.75.100])
> > | [...]
> > | DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
> > |         d=gmail.com; s=20120113;
> > | [...]
> > | X-Received: by 10.194.52.106 with SMTP id s10mr23519981wjo.35.1444565316213;
> > |         Sun, 11 Oct 2015 05:08:36 -0700 (PDT)
> > | Received: from [192.168.2.21] (ARouen-655-1-43-67.w92-152.abo.wanadoo.fr. [92.152.186.67])
> > |         by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id r4sm6597978wia.19.2015.10.11.05.08.35
> > |         (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128);
> > |         Sun, 11 Oct 2015 05:08:35 -0700 (PDT)
> > | Message-ID: <561A5142.603@gmail.com>
> > | [...]
> 
> This shows a mail received by bendel.debian.org *from* gmail. It says 
> nothing about the OP's subscribed address (where mails are *sent to*
> from the list). It does show your subscribed address, however.

This is the crystal ball part :-)

> I was wondering what the significance of LDOSUBSCRIBER in the headers
> of the first mail in this thread is.
> 
> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.9 required=4.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,                                     
>         DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VERIFIED,FREEMAIL_FROM,LDOSUBSCRIBER,LDO_WHITELIST,                                
>         RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0

This is the spam checker on Bendel: if this one got triggered, we wouldn't
see the original poster's mail at all (with some additional crystal ball
I'd say that is one of the factors Spam Assassin is using is that the sender
is LDO ("lists.debian.org" suggests itself) subscriber, which probably (hopefully?)
will lower the spam score.

regards
- -- tomás
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#158871

On Sun 11 Oct 2015 at 15:17:19 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 02:40:15PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> 
> > I was wondering what the significance of LDOSUBSCRIBER in the headers
> > of the first mail in this thread is.
> > 
> > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.9 required=4.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,                                     
> >         DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VERIFIED,FREEMAIL_FROM,LDOSUBSCRIBER,LDO_WHITELIST,                                
> >         RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0
> 
> This is the spam checker on Bendel: if this one got triggered, we wouldn't
> see the original poster's mail at all (with some additional crystal ball
> I'd say that is one of the factors Spam Assassin is using is that the sender
> is LDO ("lists.debian.org" suggests itself) subscriber, which probably (hopefully?)
> will lower the spam score.

The implication being that the poster was subscribed to -user at the
time (Sat, 10 Oct 2015 19:23:22 +0200) the mail was received?

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