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  Differences Between ThinkPad Models GC <gc@maillr.com> - 2015-12-03 22:40 +0100
    Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-12-04 04:50 +0100
      Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2015-12-04 05:00 +0100
        Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-12-04 05:20 +0100
      Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2015-12-04 06:40 +0100
        Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 11:10 +0100
        Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models deloptes <deloptes@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-04 19:50 +0100
    Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Erick Ocrospoma <zipper1790@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 05:30 +0100
      Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models mourik jan heupink <heupink@merit.unu.edu> - 2015-12-04 09:50 +0100
        Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-12-04 18:50 +0100
          Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 19:10 +0100
            Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2015-12-04 19:40 +0100
              Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Catalin Soare <lolinux.soare@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 19:50 +0100
                Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2015-12-04 21:10 +0100
              Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models deloptes <deloptes@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-04 20:10 +0100
            Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models mourik jan heupink <heupink@merit.unu.edu> - 2015-12-04 22:00 +0100
              Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2015-12-04 23:50 +0100
                Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-05 00:20 +0100
          Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Anthony Campbell <ac@acampbell.uk> - 2015-12-05 10:00 +0100
            Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Paul Duncan <paul.d@soi-team.org> - 2015-12-05 14:40 +0100
            Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-12-06 03:50 +0100
          Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-12-06 03:40 +0100
    Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 06:10 +0100
    Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Joerg Desch <news@jdesch.de> - 2015-12-04 07:30 +0100
      THANK YOU - was [Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-12-04 10:20 +0100
    Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2015-12-04 13:50 +0100

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#161534 — Differences Between ThinkPad Models

Can someone help me compare the differences with each of these laptops?

- Lenovo ThinkPad X60/X60s
- Lenovo ThinkPad X60 Tablet
- Lenovo ThinkPad T60
- Lenovo ThinkPad X200
- Lenovo ThinkPad R400
- Lenovo ThinkPad R500
- Lenovo ThinkPad T400
- Lenovo ThinkPad T500

I see many of these models listed on eBay. I want to buy one, flash the bios with libreboot and use my main computer. 

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#161540

On 12/3/2015 3:35 PM, GC wrote:
> Can someone help me compare the differences with each of these laptops?
>
> - Lenovo ThinkPad X60/X60s
> - Lenovo ThinkPad X60 Tablet
> - Lenovo ThinkPad T60
> - Lenovo ThinkPad X200
> - Lenovo ThinkPad R400
> - Lenovo ThinkPad R500
> - Lenovo ThinkPad T400
> - Lenovo ThinkPad T500
>
> I see many of these models listed on eBay. I want to buy one, flash the bios with libreboot and use my main computer.
>
>

I purchased a Lenovo R61 explicitly for experimenting with Debian 
installs. After ~2 years I've yet to have a problem not 
attributable to "nut behind keyboard". ;/

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#161541

On 12/03/2015 10:46 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/3/2015 3:35 PM, GC wrote:
>> Can someone help me compare the differences with each of these laptops?
>>
>> - Lenovo ThinkPad X60/X60s
>> - Lenovo ThinkPad X60 Tablet
>> - Lenovo ThinkPad T60
>> - Lenovo ThinkPad X200
>> - Lenovo ThinkPad R400
>> - Lenovo ThinkPad R500
>> - Lenovo ThinkPad T400
>> - Lenovo ThinkPad T500
>>
>> I see many of these models listed on eBay. I want to buy one, flash the bios with libreboot and use my main computer.
>>
>>
>
> I purchased a Lenovo R61 explicitly for experimenting with Debian installs. After ~2 years I've yet to have a problem not attributable to "nut behind keyboard". ;/
>
>
>
A recent message on one of the mailing lists said that some modern Lenovo machines are hard-coded not to run anything but Windows! You'd better look into that
before spending any money!

--doug

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#161542

On 12/3/2015 9:57 PM, Doug wrote:
>
>
> On 12/03/2015 10:46 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> On 12/3/2015 3:35 PM, GC wrote:
>>> Can someone help me compare the differences with each of these
>>> laptops?
>>>
>>> - Lenovo ThinkPad X60/X60s
>>> - Lenovo ThinkPad X60 Tablet
>>> - Lenovo ThinkPad T60
>>> - Lenovo ThinkPad X200
>>> - Lenovo ThinkPad R400
>>> - Lenovo ThinkPad R500
>>> - Lenovo ThinkPad T400
>>> - Lenovo ThinkPad T500
>>>
>>> I see many of these models listed on eBay. I want to buy one,
>>> flash the bios with libreboot and use my main computer.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I purchased a Lenovo R61 explicitly for experimenting with
>> Debian installs. After ~2 years I've yet to have a problem not
>> attributable to "nut behind keyboard". ;/
>>
>>
>>
> A recent message on one of the mailing lists said that some
> modern Lenovo machines are hard-coded not to run anything but
> Windows! You'd better look into that
> before spending any money!
>
> --doug
>

*LOL*
Did you notice the verb tense in my response? ?????? ;/

Hint to obtuse. Walk into used computer store with a live CD.

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#161545

On 12/03/2015 10:46 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/3/2015 3:35 PM, GC wrote:
>> Can someone help me compare the differences with each of these laptops?
>>
>> - Lenovo ThinkPad X60/X60s
>> - Lenovo ThinkPad X60 Tablet
>> - Lenovo ThinkPad T60
>> - Lenovo ThinkPad X200
>> - Lenovo ThinkPad R400
>> - Lenovo ThinkPad R500
>> - Lenovo ThinkPad T400
>> - Lenovo ThinkPad T500
>>
>> I see many of these models listed on eBay. I want to buy one, flash the bios with libreboot and use my main computer.
>>
>>
>
> I purchased a Lenovo R61 explicitly for experimenting with Debian installs. After ~2 years I've yet to have a problem not attributable to "nut behind keyboard". ;/
>
>
>
Some folks thought I was pulling their chain when I said that some Lenovo models are hard-coded to run only Windows. So see this:


http://askubuntu.com/questions/684041/ubuntu-debian-on-a-lenovo-ideapad-100s-linux-has-issues-with-this-laptop

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#161551

On Friday 04 December 2015 05:39:52 Doug wrote:
> On 12/03/2015 10:46 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > On 12/3/2015 3:35 PM, GC wrote:
> >> Can someone help me compare the differences with each of these laptops?
> >>
> >> - Lenovo ThinkPad X60/X60s
> >> - Lenovo ThinkPad X60 Tablet
> >> - Lenovo ThinkPad T60
> >> - Lenovo ThinkPad X200
> >> - Lenovo ThinkPad R400
> >> - Lenovo ThinkPad R500
> >> - Lenovo ThinkPad T400
> >> - Lenovo ThinkPad T500
> >>
> >> I see many of these models listed on eBay. I want to buy one, flash the
> >> bios with libreboot and use my main computer.
> >
> > I purchased a Lenovo R61 explicitly for experimenting with Debian
> > installs. After ~2 years I've yet to have a problem not attributable to
> > "nut behind keyboard". ;/
>
> Some folks thought I was pulling their chain when I said that some Lenovo
> models are hard-coded to run only Windows. So see this:
>
>
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/684041/ubuntu-debian-on-a-lenovo-ideapad-100
>s-linux-has-issues-with-this-laptop

That link seems to say that it *can* run Linux, if you persevere.  So not 
quite hard-coded to run only Windows.

Lisi

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#161560

Doug wrote:


> Some folks thought I was pulling their chain when I said that some Lenovo
> models are hard-coded to run only Windows. So see this:
> 
> 
>
http://askubuntu.com/questions/684041/ubuntu-debian-on-a-lenovo-ideapad-100s-linux-has-issues-with-this-laptop

Idiocracy in action!

Lol

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#161543

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On 3 December 2015 at 16:35, GC <gc@maillr.com> wrote:

> Can someone help me compare the differences with each of these laptops?
>
> - Lenovo ThinkPad X60/X60s
> - Lenovo ThinkPad X60 Tablet
> - Lenovo ThinkPad T60
> - Lenovo ThinkPad X200
> - Lenovo ThinkPad R400
> - Lenovo ThinkPad R500
> - Lenovo ThinkPad T400
> - Lenovo ThinkPad T500
>
>
I currently have one T440p Lenovo. It's a rock solid, with a nice keyboard.
In depends mostly on
your needs, T series are for long usage (uptime). Supported on Linux, I've
played here with Debian, Ubuntu and Fedora.


> I see many of these models listed on eBay. I want to buy one, flash the
> bios with libreboot and use my main computer.
>
>
Not sure how goes libreboot with those models. Good luck.



-- 



~ Happy install !





Erick.

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#161547

On 12/04/2015 05:28 AM, Erick Ocrospoma wrote:
> I currently have one T440p Lenovo. It's a rock solid, with a nice
> keyboard. In depends mostly on
> your needs, T series are for long usage (uptime). Supported on Linux,
> I've played here with Debian, Ubuntu and Fedora.

I currently have a t430s, but it will be my last lenovo. I agree on 
compatibility: no issues there. But I strongly disagree on build 
quality. Mine is NOT rock solid at all. During the first months the two 
front corners already broke, with cracks running towards the keyboard.

Plus: it was not covered by the warranty. (note: it's a rather expensive 
laptop (euro 1400) and you'd expect a but better (less plastic) build 
quality.

Previously i had dell latitude 4300, and it lasted much longer, without 
any damage, and generally felt much sturdier. The lenovo feels very 
plastic, and also sounds like that if you tap it with your fingernails.

So first and last lenovo for me.

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#161554

On Fri, Dec 04, 2015 at 09:36:59AM +0100, mourik jan heupink wrote:
> 
> 
> On 12/04/2015 05:28 AM, Erick Ocrospoma wrote:
> >I currently have one T440p Lenovo. It's a rock solid, with a nice
> >keyboard. In depends mostly on
> >your needs, T series are for long usage (uptime). Supported on Linux,
> >I've played here with Debian, Ubuntu and Fedora.
> 
> I currently have a t430s, but it will be my last lenovo. I agree on
> compatibility: no issues there. But I strongly disagree on build
> quality. Mine is NOT rock solid at all. During the first months the
> two front corners already broke, with cracks running towards the
> keyboard.
> 
> Plus: it was not covered by the warranty. (note: it's a rather
> expensive laptop (euro 1400) and you'd expect a but better (less
> plastic) build quality.
> 
> Previously i had dell latitude 4300, and it lasted much longer,
> without any damage, and generally felt much sturdier. The lenovo
> feels very plastic, and also sounds like that if you tap it with
> your fingernails.
> 
> So first and last lenovo for me.

My exact thoughts. My T420 is so flexible that you have to be careful
when you pick it up so as not to pop the cd drive open. Too bad. I'm
told the earlier ones, when IBM was still in the picture, were rock
solid. Maybe if I cxould find a used T60......

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#161555

On Friday 04 December 2015 17:46:52 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 04, 2015 at 09:36:59AM +0100, mourik jan heupink wrote:
> > On 12/04/2015 05:28 AM, Erick Ocrospoma wrote:
> > >I currently have one T440p Lenovo. It's a rock solid, with a nice
> > >keyboard. In depends mostly on
> > >your needs, T series are for long usage (uptime). Supported on Linux,
> > >I've played here with Debian, Ubuntu and Fedora.
> >
> > I currently have a t430s, but it will be my last lenovo. I agree on
> > compatibility: no issues there. But I strongly disagree on build
> > quality. Mine is NOT rock solid at all. During the first months the
> > two front corners already broke, with cracks running towards the
> > keyboard.
> >
> > Plus: it was not covered by the warranty. (note: it's a rather
> > expensive laptop (euro 1400) and you'd expect a but better (less
> > plastic) build quality.
> >
> > Previously i had dell latitude 4300, and it lasted much longer,
> > without any damage, and generally felt much sturdier. The lenovo
> > feels very plastic, and also sounds like that if you tap it with
> > your fingernails.
> >
> > So first and last lenovo for me.
>
> My exact thoughts. My T420 is so flexible that you have to be careful
> when you pick it up so as not to pop the cd drive open. Too bad. I'm
> told the earlier ones, when IBM was still in the picture, were rock
> solid. Maybe if I cxould find a used T60......

I think they do two grades now.  The more expensive ones are reputed still to 
be good.

Lisi

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#161556

On 12/04/2015 01:07 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 04 December 2015 17:46:52 Bob Holtzman wrote:
>> On Fri, Dec 04, 2015 at 09:36:59AM +0100, mourik jan heupink wrote:
>>> On 12/04/2015 05:28 AM, Erick Ocrospoma wrote:
>>>> I currently have one T440p Lenovo. It's a rock solid, with a nice
>>>> keyboard. In depends mostly on
>>>> your needs, T series are for long usage (uptime). Supported on Linux,
>>>> I've played here with Debian, Ubuntu and Fedora.
>>>
>>> I currently have a t430s, but it will be my last lenovo. I agree on
>>> compatibility: no issues there. But I strongly disagree on build
>>> quality. Mine is NOT rock solid at all. During the first months the
>>> two front corners already broke, with cracks running towards the
>>> keyboard.
>>>
>>> Plus: it was not covered by the warranty. (note: it's a rather
>>> expensive laptop (euro 1400) and you'd expect a but better (less
>>> plastic) build quality.
>>>
>>> Previously i had dell latitude 4300, and it lasted much longer,
>>> without any damage, and generally felt much sturdier. The lenovo
>>> feels very plastic, and also sounds like that if you tap it with
>>> your fingernails.
>>>
>>> So first and last lenovo for me.
>>
>> My exact thoughts. My T420 is so flexible that you have to be careful
>> when you pick it up so as not to pop the cd drive open. Too bad. I'm
>> told the earlier ones, when IBM was still in the picture, were rock
>> solid. Maybe if I cxould find a used T60......
>
> I think they do two grades now.  The more expensive ones are reputed still to
> be good.
>
> Lisi
>
>
Interesting how perceptions on physical build quality of computer 
systems differ.

I've not particularly cared for plastic cases on laptops/notebooks since 
the *early* Toshibas. Those things were indestructible. I actually fell 
on top of a T1200 in a mud puddle and continued to use it for years 
afterward. (Don't ask. Let it suffice to say I am a master of face 
planting.)

I've had two Dell Inspirons which actually decayed into pieces over a 
short time (never dropped). Thinking I'd have better luck with Dell's 
business grade stuff, I bought a Dell Precision laptop (metal casing and 
frame) which was absolute junk. The casing and frame were fine, but it 
experienced multiple motherboard and drive failures. I tossed it in the 
recycle bin 2 years after I purchased it.

My Lenovo T520i is plastic. Yeah, it sounds like plastic when you tap 
the hand rest of lid with your fingernails, but the frame doesn't flex 
at all when I carry it. I've had it twice as long as the Dell Precision. 
It cost about 1/5th as much as the Dell, and it's had one failure -- a 
mechanical failure of a key. Lenovo sent me a replacement keyboard and 
instructions two years after purchase, no questions asked.

It was also easy to buy the Lenovo with no OS installed. I've never 
found a way to get Dell to cooperate on that matter -- at least not on 
any of the models I wanted to buy.

The IBM IdeaPads and/or R models always seemed to exhibit a lower grade 
of construction quality than the ThinkPads. I think the lines between 
the Lenovo consumer grade and business grade equipment may have become a 
little blurred since then. My observation only. No data to back this up 
other than what I've witnessed directly in stores and at the publishing 
company where I used to work, which is obviously not anything like an 
industry-wide reliability survey.

The only problem I see with the plan outlined in the OP is that flashing 
the free BIOS can brick the system. I see a lot of caveats at that site. 
Still might be worth the risk. I've been thinking of buying one of the 
gluglug refurbished units. But maybe I'll try this instead.

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#161558

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On Dec 4, 2015 8:35 PM, "Jape Person" <japers@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> On 12/04/2015 01:07 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>>
>> On Friday 04 December 2015 17:46:52 Bob Holtzman wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 04, 2015 at 09:36:59AM +0100, mourik jan heupink wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 12/04/2015 05:28 AM, Erick Ocrospoma wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I currently have one T440p Lenovo. It's a rock solid, with a nice
>>>>> keyboard. In depends mostly on
>>>>> your needs, T series are for long usage (uptime). Supported on Linux,
>>>>> I've played here with Debian, Ubuntu and Fedora.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I currently have a t430s, but it will be my last lenovo. I agree on
>>>> compatibility: no issues there. But I strongly disagree on build
>>>> quality. Mine is NOT rock solid at all. During the first months the
>>>> two front corners already broke, with cracks running towards the
>>>> keyboard.
>>>>
>>>> Plus: it was not covered by the warranty. (note: it's a rather
>>>> expensive laptop (euro 1400) and you'd expect a but better (less
>>>> plastic) build quality.
>>>>
>>>> Previously i had dell latitude 4300, and it lasted much longer,
>>>> without any damage, and generally felt much sturdier. The lenovo
>>>> feels very plastic, and also sounds like that if you tap it with
>>>> your fingernails.
>>>>
>>>> So first and last lenovo for me.
>>>
>>>
>>> My exact thoughts. My T420 is so flexible that you have to be careful
>>> when you pick it up so as not to pop the cd drive open. Too bad. I'm
>>> told the earlier ones, when IBM was still in the picture, were rock
>>> solid. Maybe if I cxould find a used T60......
>>
>>
>> I think they do two grades now.  The more expensive ones are reputed
still to
>> be good.
>>
>> Lisi
>>
>>
> Interesting how perceptions on physical build quality of computer systems
differ.
>
> I've not particularly cared for plastic cases on laptops/notebooks since
the *early* Toshibas. Those things were indestructible. I actually fell on
top of a T1200 in a mud puddle and continued to use it for years afterward.
(Don't ask. Let it suffice to say I am a master of face planting.)
>
> I've had two Dell Inspirons which actually decayed into pieces over a
short time (never dropped). Thinking I'd have better luck with Dell's
business grade stuff, I bought a Dell Precision laptop (metal casing and
frame) which was absolute junk. The casing and frame were fine, but it
experienced multiple motherboard and drive failures. I tossed it in the
recycle bin 2 years after I purchased it.
>
> My Lenovo T520i is plastic. Yeah, it sounds like plastic when you tap the
hand rest of lid with your fingernails, but the frame doesn't flex at all
when I carry it. I've had it twice as long as the Dell Precision. It cost
about 1/5th as much as the Dell, and it's had one failure -- a mechanical
failure of a key. Lenovo sent me a replacement keyboard and instructions
two years after purchase, no questions asked.
>
> It was also easy to buy the Lenovo with no OS installed. I've never found
a way to get Dell to cooperate on that matter -- at least not on any of the
models I wanted to buy.
>
> The IBM IdeaPads and/or R models always seemed to exhibit a lower grade
of construction quality than the ThinkPads. I think the lines between the
Lenovo consumer grade and business grade equipment may have become a little
blurred since then. My observation only. No data to back this up other than
what I've witnessed directly in stores and at the publishing company where
I used to work, which is obviously not anything like an industry-wide
reliability survey.
>
> The only problem I see with the plan outlined in the OP is that flashing
the free BIOS can brick the system. I see a lot of caveats at that site.
Still might be worth the risk. I've been thinking of buying one of the
gluglug refurbished units. But maybe I'll try this instead.
>
>

Hi,

I have a Lenovo T540p and while I was able to install Debian, then Ubuntu
and Mint, I have to say this:
Wireless doesn't work! I mean it does, at lower speeds and eventually you
have to turn the adapter off and rescan and reconnect. Couldn't get more
than 400KB/s with Linux. On Windows it's a different story..
Try to avoid this model if you plan to use Linux also as apparently it's
part of a series which seems doomed from this point of view.

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#161562

> I have a Lenovo T540p and while I was able to install Debian, then
> Ubuntu and Mint, I have to say this: Wireless doesn't work!

Not sure how it works nowadays, but back in the T60 days at least, the
wireless cards used in those Thinkpads was part of those things you
could choose (tho you often didn't really know was at stake because the
descriptions were not precise enough), so if that's still the case,
there's no guarantee that your T540p has the same wireless card as all
other T540p.


        Stefan

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#161561

Jape Person wrote:


> Interesting how perceptions on physical build quality of computer
> systems differ.
> 
> I've had two Dell Inspirons which actually decayed into pieces over a
> short time (never dropped). Thinking I'd have better luck with Dell's
> business grade stuff, I bought a Dell Precision laptop (metal casing and
> frame) which was absolute junk. The casing and frame were fine, but it
> experienced multiple motherboard and drive failures. I tossed it in the
> recycle bin 2 years after I purchased it.

The business line of Dell is Latitude, not Inspiron. Inspiron is known to be
bad quality.
I have 2 D520 serving more than 10years - still working, but I had to
replace the one, because it had only 2GB of RAM and it was not possible to
run RAM hungry apps like Oracle DB or multiple VMs.
Now I have the E5440, which is another great machine. The 7000 are equiped
with a USB3 (DisplayLink) docking station - that is not and will not be
supported by Linux, but this is also true for the rest like Lenovo or
alike.

I'm not sure why you people compare apples with pears.

I love the E5440 and hope it will serve in the next 8y at least.

regards

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#161563

Hi Lisi,

On 12/04/2015 07:07 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> I think they do two grades now.  The more expensive ones are reputed still to
> be good.
Mine cost 1400 euro. That must be the better quality businessline. Yet 
it's build-quelity is terrible.

And a casing broken in BOTH corners in the first few months already 
should *really* be covered by warrenty. (perhaps not with the cheap 
models/brands, but again: 1400 euro is NOT cheap)

MJ

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#161565

On 12/04/2015 03:52 PM, mourik jan heupink wrote:
> Hi Lisi,
>
> On 12/04/2015 07:07 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> I think they do two grades now.  The more expensive ones are reputed still to
>> be good.
> Mine cost 1400 euro. That must be the better quality businessline. Yet
> it's build-quelity is terrible.
>
> And a casing broken in BOTH corners in the first few months already
> should *really* be covered by warrenty. (perhaps not with the cheap
> models/brands, but again: 1400 euro is NOT cheap)
>
> MJ
>
>

That's truly awful. Why wasn't it covered under warranty? It certainly 
would have been in the U.S. I figured that most or all of Europe would 
probably have better consumer protections than the U.S.?

Knowing how clumsy I am, I always purchase the type of warranty that 
covers a system for accidents. It has often come in handy.

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#161566

On Friday 04 December 2015 22:46:47 Jape Person wrote:
> On 12/04/2015 03:52 PM, mourik jan heupink wrote:
> > Hi Lisi,
> >
> > On 12/04/2015 07:07 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >> I think they do two grades now.  The more expensive ones are reputed
> >> still to be good.
> >
> > Mine cost 1400 euro. That must be the better quality businessline. Yet
> > it's build-quelity is terrible.

Oh dear. :-(  How are the mighty fallen!
> >
> > And a casing broken in BOTH corners in the first few months already
> > should *really* be covered by warrenty. (perhaps not with the cheap
> > models/brands, but again: 1400 euro is NOT cheap)
> >
> > MJ
>
> That's truly awful. Why wasn't it covered under warranty? It certainly
> would have been in the U.S. I figured that most or all of Europe would
> probably have better consumer protections than the U.S.?

It certainly would be covered by law in England (I'm not sure about the rest 
of the UK), but the warranty could be a different matter, so one might have 
to enforce it.

Lisi
>
> Knowing how clumsy I am, I always purchase the type of warranty that
> covers a system for accidents. It has often come in handy.

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#161568

On 04 Dec 2015, Bob Holtzman wrote:
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> > So first and last lenovo for me.
> 
> My exact thoughts. My T420 is so flexible that you have to be careful
> when you pick it up so as not to pop the cd drive open. Too bad. I'm
> told the earlier ones, when IBM was still in the picture, were rock
> solid. Maybe if I cxould find a used T60......

There are good refurbished T60s available on Ebay in Britain. I bought
up several of these - almost indistinguishable from new.

-- 
Anthony Campbell			http://www.acampbell.uk

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#161572

I'm typing this on a Thinpad T520, which I have had as my work machine 
since the middle of 2012. It has spent almost its entire life on the 
ship I serve on, and is still working perfectly. Dual-boots between Win7 
and Linux Mint (currently 17.2). It is a pleasure to type on, and there 
are only two things I would change:

1) the addition of USB3

2) addition of an NVidia graphics chipset

It has recently been upgraded with the addition of an MSATA module which 
has just made it even better. If you see one of these, I would recommend it.

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