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On Dec 4, 2015 8:35 PM, "Jape Person" <japers@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> On 12/04/2015 01:07 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>>
>> On Friday 04 December 2015 17:46:52 Bob Holtzman wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 04, 2015 at 09:36:59AM +0100, mourik jan heupink wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 12/04/2015 05:28 AM, Erick Ocrospoma wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I currently have one T440p Lenovo. It's a rock solid, with a nice
>>>>> keyboard. In depends mostly on
>>>>> your needs, T series are for long usage (uptime). Supported on Linux,
>>>>> I've played here with Debian, Ubuntu and Fedora.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I currently have a t430s, but it will be my last lenovo. I agree on
>>>> compatibility: no issues there. But I strongly disagree on build
>>>> quality. Mine is NOT rock solid at all. During the first months the
>>>> two front corners already broke, with cracks running towards the
>>>> keyboard.
>>>>
>>>> Plus: it was not covered by the warranty. (note: it's a rather
>>>> expensive laptop (euro 1400) and you'd expect a but better (less
>>>> plastic) build quality.
>>>>
>>>> Previously i had dell latitude 4300, and it lasted much longer,
>>>> without any damage, and generally felt much sturdier. The lenovo
>>>> feels very plastic, and also sounds like that if you tap it with
>>>> your fingernails.
>>>>
>>>> So first and last lenovo for me.
>>>
>>>
>>> My exact thoughts. My T420 is so flexible that you have to be careful
>>> when you pick it up so as not to pop the cd drive open. Too bad. I'm
>>> told the earlier ones, when IBM was still in the picture, were rock
>>> solid. Maybe if I cxould find a used T60......
>>
>>
>> I think they do two grades now.  The more expensive ones are reputed
still to
>> be good.
>>
>> Lisi
>>
>>
> Interesting how perceptions on physical build quality of computer systems
differ.
>
> I've not particularly cared for plastic cases on laptops/notebooks since
the *early* Toshibas. Those things were indestructible. I actually fell on
top of a T1200 in a mud puddle and continued to use it for years afterward.
(Don't ask. Let it suffice to say I am a master of face planting.)
>
> I've had two Dell Inspirons which actually decayed into pieces over a
short time (never dropped). Thinking I'd have better luck with Dell's
business grade stuff, I bought a Dell Precision laptop (metal casing and
frame) which was absolute junk. The casing and frame were fine, but it
experienced multiple motherboard and drive failures. I tossed it in the
recycle bin 2 years after I purchased it.
>
> My Lenovo T520i is plastic. Yeah, it sounds like plastic when you tap the
hand rest of lid with your fingernails, but the frame doesn't flex at all
when I carry it. I've had it twice as long as the Dell Precision. It cost
about 1/5th as much as the Dell, and it's had one failure -- a mechanical
failure of a key. Lenovo sent me a replacement keyboard and instructions
two years after purchase, no questions asked.
>
> It was also easy to buy the Lenovo with no OS installed. I've never found
a way to get Dell to cooperate on that matter -- at least not on any of the
models I wanted to buy.
>
> The IBM IdeaPads and/or R models always seemed to exhibit a lower grade
of construction quality than the ThinkPads. I think the lines between the
Lenovo consumer grade and business grade equipment may have become a little
blurred since then. My observation only. No data to back this up other than
what I've witnessed directly in stores and at the publishing company where
I used to work, which is obviously not anything like an industry-wide
reliability survey.
>
> The only problem I see with the plan outlined in the OP is that flashing
the free BIOS can brick the system. I see a lot of caveats at that site.
Still might be worth the risk. I've been thinking of buying one of the
gluglug refurbished units. But maybe I'll try this instead.
>
>

Hi,

I have a Lenovo T540p and while I was able to install Debian, then Ubuntu
and Mint, I have to say this:
Wireless doesn't work! I mean it does, at lower speeds and eventually you
have to turn the adapter off and rescan and reconnect. Couldn't get more
than 400KB/s with Linux. On Windows it's a different story..
Try to avoid this model if you plan to use Linux also as apparently it's
part of a series which seems doomed from this point of view.

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Differences Between ThinkPad Models GC <gc@maillr.com> - 2015-12-03 22:40 +0100
  Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-12-04 04:50 +0100
    Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2015-12-04 05:00 +0100
      Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-12-04 05:20 +0100
    Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2015-12-04 06:40 +0100
      Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 11:10 +0100
      Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models deloptes <deloptes@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-04 19:50 +0100
  Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Erick Ocrospoma <zipper1790@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 05:30 +0100
    Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models mourik jan heupink <heupink@merit.unu.edu> - 2015-12-04 09:50 +0100
      Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-12-04 18:50 +0100
        Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 19:10 +0100
          Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2015-12-04 19:40 +0100
            Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Catalin Soare <lolinux.soare@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 19:50 +0100
              Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2015-12-04 21:10 +0100
            Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models deloptes <deloptes@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-04 20:10 +0100
          Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models mourik jan heupink <heupink@merit.unu.edu> - 2015-12-04 22:00 +0100
            Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2015-12-04 23:50 +0100
              Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-12-05 00:20 +0100
        Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Anthony Campbell <ac@acampbell.uk> - 2015-12-05 10:00 +0100
          Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Paul Duncan <paul.d@soi-team.org> - 2015-12-05 14:40 +0100
          Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-12-06 03:50 +0100
        Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2015-12-06 03:40 +0100
  Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 06:10 +0100
  Re: Differences Between ThinkPad Models Joerg Desch <news@jdesch.de> - 2015-12-04 07:30 +0100
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