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  is google earth safe to install? rlharris@oplink.net - 2015-09-01 07:50 +0200
    Re: is google earth safe to install? rlharris@oplink.net - 2015-09-01 10:40 +0200
      Re: is google earth safe to install? Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2015-09-01 16:50 +0200
        Re: is google earth safe to install? rlharris@oplink.net - 2015-09-01 20:20 +0200
          Re: is google earth safe to install? Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2015-09-01 20:50 +0200
          Re: is google earth safe to install? Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2015-09-01 21:50 +0200
            Re: is google earth safe to install? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-09-01 22:00 +0200
              Re: is google earth safe to install? Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 01:00 +0200
                Re: is google earth safe to install? rlharris@oplink.net - 2015-09-02 01:30 +0200
                  Re: is google earth safe to install? Gary Roach <garyroach@verizon.net> - 2015-09-02 03:10 +0200
                    Re: is google earth safe to install? Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-09-02 10:00 +0200
                      Re: is google earth safe to install? Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 15:40 +0200
                  Re: is google earth safe to install? Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2015-09-02 11:10 +0200
                Re: is google earth safe to install? Stuart Longland <stuartl@longlandclan.yi.org> - 2015-09-03 23:10 +0200
                  Re: is google earth safe to install? Martin Read <zen75502@zen.co.uk> - 2015-09-03 23:40 +0200
                  Re: is google earth safe to install? Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 08:50 +0200
    Re: is google earth safe to install? Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2015-09-01 10:50 +0200
      Re: is google earth safe to install? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-09-01 15:10 +0200
        Re: is google earth safe to install? Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2015-09-01 16:50 +0200

#157272 — is google earth safe to install?

To facilitate our search for property and discussion over the telephone of
various properties, my client wishes me to install google earth.

I see that Debian has a google earth package.

In view of our recent discussion "laptop protection in an office network",
I am curious as to what danger of compromise, if any, is incurred by the
installation of google earth.

RLH

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#157274

On Tue, September 1, 2015 12:41 am, rlharris@oplink.net wrote:
> To facilitate our search for property and discussion over the telephone
> of various properties, my client wishes me to install google earth.
>
> I see that Debian has a google earth package.
>
> In view of our recent discussion "laptop protection in an office
> network", I am curious as to what danger of compromise, if any, is
> incurred by the installation of google earth.

Answering my own question:  After installing the Debian package (which is
a script to download google earth and make of it a Debian package) I would
have proceded except for the fact that (according to the Debian README
file, it currently works only on x86 packages, because google earth is an
i386 binary.  But my laptop is an amd64.  And I am unwilling to run
proprietary google code on my desktop machine.

RLH

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#157294

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On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 03:31:22AM -0500, rlharris@oplink.net wrote:
> On Tue, September 1, 2015 12:41 am, rlharris@oplink.net wrote:
> > To facilitate our search for property and discussion over the telephone
> > of various properties, my client wishes me to install google earth.
> >
> > I see that Debian has a google earth package.
> >
> > In view of our recent discussion "laptop protection in an office
> > network", I am curious as to what danger of compromise, if any, is
> > incurred by the installation of google earth.
> 
> Answering my own question:  After installing the Debian package (which is
> a script to download google earth and make of it a Debian package) I would
> have proceded except for the fact that (according to the Debian README
> file, it currently works only on x86 packages, because google earth is an
> i386 binary.  But my laptop is an amd64.  And I am unwilling to run
> proprietary google code on my desktop machine.

In that case, consider "marble", which provides a similar "virtual
globe" and is LGPL 2.1+ licensed.

> 
> RLH
> 
> 
> 
> 

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#157308

On Tue, September 1, 2015 9:47 am, Darac Marjal wrote:
> In that case, consider "marble", which provides a similar "virtual
> globe" and is LGPL 2.1+ licensed.

I did install marble.  Perhaps my installation is not correctly
configured, but after seeing the detailed photograph of "Tour Eiffel" on
the google.com website which advertises google earth, I am disappointed in
marble.

For example, looking at London, I see nothing but pixels in shades of
green and tan.

RLH

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#157310

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On Tue, 2015-09-01 at 13:09 -0500, rlharris@oplink.net wrote:
> On Tue, September 1, 2015 9:47 am, Darac Marjal wrote:
> > In that case, consider "marble", which provides a similar "virtual
> > globe" and is LGPL 2.1+ licensed.
> 
> I did install marble.  Perhaps my installation is not correctly
> configured, but after seeing the detailed photograph of "Tour Eiffel" 
> on
> the google.com website which advertises google earth, I am 
> disappointed in
> marble.
> 
> For example, looking at London, I see nothing but pixels in shades of
> green and tan.

Have you tried using Google Maps, and street view?

BTW, you should be able to use GE on amd64 if you enable multi-arch. 

-- 
Cheers,
Sven Arvidsson
http://www.whiz.se
PGP Key ID 6FAB5CD5

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#157313

On Tuesday 01 September 2015 14:09:39 rlharris@oplink.net wrote:

> On Tue, September 1, 2015 9:47 am, Darac Marjal wrote:
> > In that case, consider "marble", which provides a similar "virtual
> > globe" and is LGPL 2.1+ licensed.
>
> I did install marble.  Perhaps my installation is not correctly
> configured, but after seeing the detailed photograph of "Tour Eiffel"
> on the google.com website which advertises google earth, I am
> disappointed in marble.
>
> For example, looking at London, I see nothing but pixels in shades of
> green and tan.
>
> RLH

Gaggh, you are right, I just installed it. Minimum viewing altitude is 
50km!  Nothing but smeared green large pixels where London is marked. Of 
what use is this in the real world?  Even less useful than the 
appendages on the belly of a bore hog.  And its no better above where I 
am either.  No wonder its buried about 5 levels out in my TDE menu's, 
its a total disappointment.

I have no clue where the map data is coming from, but IMO its a nukable 
utility.  With the weather map data I can zoom into my neighborhood and 
find my house & yard buildings with no effort at all.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#157316

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On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 03:47:53PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 September 2015 14:09:39 rlharris@oplink.net wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, September 1, 2015 9:47 am, Darac Marjal wrote:
> > > In that case, consider "marble", which provides a similar "virtual
> > > globe" and is LGPL 2.1+ licensed.

[...]

> > For example, looking at London, I see nothing but pixels in shades of
> > green and tan.
> >
> > RLH
> 
> Gaggh, you are right, I just installed it. Minimum viewing altitude is 
> 50km!  Nothing but smeared green large pixels where London is marked. Of 
> what use is this in the real world?  [...]

Well, freely available data versus expensively paid for by Google (and paid
back to them with your and my privacy :-)

Perhaps we should team up and buy some better satellite data to "free" it?
Kickstarter anyone?

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#157320

On 09/01/2015 03:53 PM, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
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> On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 03:47:53PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Tuesday 01 September 2015 14:09:39 rlharris@oplink.net wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, September 1, 2015 9:47 am, Darac Marjal wrote:
>>>> In that case, consider "marble", which provides a similar "virtual
>>>> globe" and is LGPL 2.1+ licensed.
>
> [...]
>
>>> For example, looking at London, I see nothing but pixels in shades of
>>> green and tan.
>>>
>>> RLH
>>
>> Gaggh, you are right, I just installed it. Minimum viewing altitude is
>> 50km!  Nothing but smeared green large pixels where London is marked. Of
>> what use is this in the real world?  [...]
>
> Well, freely available data versus expensively paid for by Google (and paid
> back to them with your and my privacy :-)
>
> Perhaps we should team up and buy some better satellite data to "free" it?
> Kickstarter anyone?

I'm building "Grit". I'll let everyone know how well it works. You do 
need an nVidia graphic card though. Ric



-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#157321

I keep forgetting about WINE -- likely because I never have used WINE.

>From the WINE HQ web site, it appears that WINE may be a reasonable
solution, and even a way to circumvent the  problems of running the intel
code on an amd machine.

https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=2292

RLH

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#157322

On 09/01/2015 04:22 PM, rlharris@oplink.net wrote:
> I keep forgetting about WINE -- likely because I never have used WINE.
>
> >From the WINE HQ web site, it appears that WINE may be a reasonable
> solution, and even a way to circumvent the  problems of running the intel
> code on an amd machine.
>
> https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=2292
>
> RLH
>
>
>
Having tried wine in the past, I do not recommend it. I had fits with 
it. Some things work. Some don't. I use VirtualBox and load in a whole 
separate operating system. If you don't have the disks that could be a 
problem. If you have the installation disks for another OS, VirtualBox 
is the way to go.

BTW Google Earth should operate on an AMD chip set if you enable 
milti-arch as Sven said. That would seem to be the easier cleaner way to go.

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#157326

On Tue, 01 Sep 2015 16:48:35 -0700
Gary Roach <garyroach@verizon.net> wrote:

> BTW Google Earth should operate on an AMD chip set if you enable 
> milti-arch as Sven said. That would seem to be the easier cleaner way to go.

It does, on my box, without any problem.
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
-- 
  If you talk to a man in a language he understands, that goes to his head.
       If you talk to him in his own language, that goes to his heart.
                                                          -- Nelson Mandela
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
 

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#157339

On 09/02/2015 03:52 AM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Sep 2015 16:48:35 -0700
> Gary Roach <garyroach@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> BTW Google Earth should operate on an AMD chip set if you enable
>> milti-arch as Sven said. That would seem to be the easier cleaner way to go.
>
> It does, on my box, without any problem.

It appears that Grits is one of those projects that requires you 
download the Internet, and after a bunch of grinding and thrashing, the 
last instruction in the README doesn't jive with the files and 
directories  in front of you. I hate when that happens. :( Ric


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#157332

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On Tue, 2015-09-01 at 18:22 -0500, rlharris@oplink.net wrote:
> I keep forgetting about WINE -- likely because I never have used 
> WINE.
> 
> > From the WINE HQ web site, it appears that WINE may be a reasonable
> solution, and even a way to circumvent the  problems of running the 
> intel
> code on an amd machine.

That's not how it works, see
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq

Q: Is this port only for AMD 64-bit [[CPUs]]?

A: No. "AMD64" is the name chosen by AMD for their 64-bit extension to
the Intel x86 instruction set. Before release, it was called "x86-64"
or "x86_64", and some distributions still use these names. Intel refers
to its AMD64 implementation as "?Intel64" previously named "?EM64T".
The architecture is AMD64-compatible and Debian AMD64 will run on AMD
and Intel processors with 64-bit support. Because of the technology
paternity, Debian uses the name "AMD64".


-- 
Cheers,
Sven Arvidsson
http://www.whiz.se
PGP Key ID 6FAB5CD5

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#157383

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On 02/09/15 08:55, Ric Moore wrote:
>> Perhaps we should team up and buy some better satellite data to
>> "free" it? Kickstarter anyone?
> 
> I'm building "Grit". I'll let everyone know how well it works. You
> do need an nVidia graphic card though. Ric

I'll bite, why an nVidia graphic card?  I have a couple, but the Intel
GPU in this laptop would run rings around most of them.

Surely it only matters that it implements ${OPENGL_FEATURES} to a
sufficient standard to run the application.

Does this application bypass the kernel to talk to the video card
directly?
- -- 
Stuart Longland (aka Redhatter, VK4MSL)

I haven't lost my mind...
  ...it's backed up on a tape somewhere.
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#157387

On 03/09/15 22:06, Stuart Longland wrote:
> I'll bite, why an nVidia graphic card?  I have a couple, but the Intel
> GPU in this laptop would run rings around most of them.
>
> Surely it only matters that it implements ${OPENGL_FEATURES} to a
> sufficient standard to run the application.

OpenGL's architecture explicitly provides for the existence of 
vendor-specific extensions.

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#157416

On 09/03/2015 05:06 PM, Stuart Longland wrote:
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> On 02/09/15 08:55, Ric Moore wrote:
>>> Perhaps we should team up and buy some better satellite data to
>>> "free" it? Kickstarter anyone?
>>
>> I'm building "Grit". I'll let everyone know how well it works. You
>> do need an nVidia graphic card though. Ric
>
> I'll bite, why an nVidia graphic card?  I have a couple, but the Intel
> GPU in this laptop would run rings around most of them.
>
> Surely it only matters that it implements ${OPENGL_FEATURES} to a
> sufficient standard to run the application.
>
> Does this application bypass the kernel to talk to the video card
> directly?

They recommended nvidia over AMD, which they seemed to have problems 
with. I don't usually read of Intel being recommended for gaming / 3D. Ric



-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#157275

On Tuesday 01 September 2015 01:41:20 rlharris@oplink.net wrote:

> To facilitate our search for property and discussion over the
> telephone of various properties, my client wishes me to install google
> earth.
>
> I see that Debian has a google earth package.
>
> In view of our recent discussion "laptop protection in an office
> network", I am curious as to what danger of compromise, if any, is
> incurred by the installation of google earth.
>
> RLH

No clue about safety, but its unsupported and doesn't work at all well 
with the nouveau drivers. Essentially it should be considered 
deprecated.

There is a newer format, used by the weather maps on most local tv 
station web sites. Preset to show about 1/4 of WV on my old stations 
site, but put your mouse on it, and roll the wheel and the scale can be 
reduced to planet sized, then grabbed at the mouse pointer location and 
drag it to turn the planet until your area of interest is centered, put 
the mouse there and zoom back in.  All of this in very close to real 
time, easily 100x faster than GE has ever run on one of my machines.

Works with iceweazel and chromium, no GE install needed.  Just a recent 
browser.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#157282

Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 September 2015 01:41:20 rlharris@oplink.net wrote:
>
>> To facilitate our search for property and discussion over the
>> telephone of various properties, my client wishes me to install google
>> earth.[SNIP]
> No clue about safety, but its unsupported and doesn't work at all well
> with the nouveau drivers. Essentially it should be considered
> deprecated.
>
> There is a newer format, used by the weather maps on most local tv
> station web sites. Preset to show about 1/4 of WV on my old stations
> site, but put your mouse on it, and roll the wheel and the scale can be
> reduced to planet sized, then grabbed at the mouse pointer location and
> drag it to turn the planet until your area of interest is centered, put
> the mouse there and zoom back in.  All of this in very close to real
> time, easily 100x faster than GE has ever run on one of my machines.
>
> Works with iceweazel and chromium, no GE install needed.  Just a recent
> browser.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
>

Sounds interesting. What is it? Where do I find it?
TIA

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#157295

On Tuesday 01 September 2015 09:08:19 Richard Owlett wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 01 September 2015 01:41:20 rlharris@oplink.net wrote:
> >> To facilitate our search for property and discussion over the
> >> telephone of various properties, my client wishes me to install
> >> google earth.[SNIP]
> >
> > No clue about safety, but its unsupported and doesn't work at all
> > well with the nouveau drivers. Essentially it should be considered
> > deprecated.
> >
> > There is a newer format, used by the weather maps on most local tv
> > station web sites. Preset to show about 1/4 of WV on my old stations
> > site, but put your mouse on it, and roll the wheel and the scale can
> > be reduced to planet sized, then grabbed at the mouse pointer
> > location and drag it to turn the planet until your area of interest
> > is centered, put the mouse there and zoom back in.  All of this in
> > very close to real time, easily 100x faster than GE has ever run on
> > one of my machines.
> >
> > Works with iceweazel and chromium, no GE install needed.  Just a
> > recent browser.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> Sounds interesting. What is it? Where do I find it?
> TIA

Its the live weathermap on the web site of your local tv station. it 
shows a couple of usages on <www.wdtv.com> and seems to have become the 
favorite way to display the last 4 hours of so of radar detected weather 
activity.  The background data is from google of course, called google 
maps, its a login required page at google, I don't remember my pw so 
I've had the site email a reset msg.  The web server using it then 
overlays the radar data in a roughly 4 hours worth of history moving 
overlay.

That email hasn't been received, so I assume I have never registered.  
Didn't need to, the weather maps work fine for that here.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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