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| Started by | Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> |
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| First post | 2024-04-17 15:20 +0200 |
| Last post | 2024-04-18 13:40 +0200 |
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LibreOffice removed from Debian Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2024-04-17 15:20 +0200
Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-04-17 15:40 +0200
Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2024-04-17 15:40 +0200
Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2024-04-17 16:20 +0200
Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-04-18 04:30 +0200
Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2024-04-17 16:20 +0200
Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian Sarunas Burdulis <sarunas@math.dartmouth.edu> - 2024-04-17 16:00 +0200
Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2024-04-18 10:00 +0200
Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-04-18 10:10 +0200
Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2024-04-18 10:30 +0200
Re: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2024-04-18 11:40 +0200
Marking as spam [was: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-04-18 12:00 +0200
Re: *****SPAM***** Marking as spam [was: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian] Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2024-04-18 17:10 +0200
Re: *****SPAM***** Marking as spam [was: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian] Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-04-18 17:20 +0200
Re: *****SPAM***** Marking as spam [was: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian] "rtnetzlof@windstream.net" <rtnetzlof@windstream.net> - 2024-04-18 17:30 +0200
Re: *****SPAM***** Marking as spam [was: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian] Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-04-18 17:30 +0200
Re: *****SPAM***** Marking as spam Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2024-04-18 17:50 +0200
Re: Marking as spam Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2024-04-18 18:20 +0200
Re: Marking as spam The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2024-04-18 19:00 +0200
Sorry Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2024-04-18 17:20 +0200
Re: Sorry The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2024-04-18 17:30 +0200
Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2024-04-18 12:50 +0200
On user expectations (Was Re: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-04-18 13:40 +0200
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| From | Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> |
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| Date | 2024-04-17 15:20 +0200 |
| Subject | LibreOffice removed from Debian |
| Message-ID | <IudmF-6TWz-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
Is there any reason why LibreOffice has been removed from Debian??? -- Vincent Lefèvre <vincent@vinc17.net> - Web: <https://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <https://www.vinc17.net/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)
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| From | "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2024-04-17 15:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <IudG1-6U33-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #268904 |
Hi, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > Is there any reason why LibreOffice has been removed from Debian??? https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libreoffice says The dependencies of libuno-cppuhelpergcc3-3=4:24.2.0-1 cannot be satisfied in unstable on arm64, s390x, i386, ppc64el, armel, amd64, and armhf [...] Depends on packages which need a new maintainer [...] This package has been requested to be removed. [...] Please see bug number #1069123 for more information. This bug looks somewhat like a misunderstanding between the maintainer and the Debian FTP Master. The maintainer declares a lot of packages to be "cruft" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Harvard_Cruft_Hall.png) referring to various arches, but not to amd64. The Masters seem to react by marking the source package "libreoffice" for removal. (It is in the maintainer's cruft list, indeed.) Have a nice day :) Thomas
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| From | Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> |
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| Date | 2024-04-17 15:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <IudG1-6U33-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #268904 |
On 2024-04-17 14:26:12 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 15:12:39 +0200 > Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> wrote: > > Hello Vincent, > > >Is there any reason why LibreOffice has been removed from Debian??? > > https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libreoffice > > Has all the info you need, and more. Expect it to be removed from > testing, too. Indeed: "This package has been requested to be removed. This means that, when this request gets processed by an ftp-master, this package will no longer be in unstable, and will automatically be removed from testing too afterwards. If for some reason you want keep this package in unstable, please discuss so in the bug. Please see bug number #1069123 for more information." > This is not permanent. If this is not permanent, why have all the bugs been closed? -- Vincent Lefèvre <vincent@vinc17.net> - Web: <https://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <https://www.vinc17.net/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)
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| From | Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> |
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| Date | 2024-04-17 16:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <IueiJ-6Uw8-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #268907 |
On 2024-04-17 16:13:30 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > I've sent a message to bug 1069123 (which requested the removal). > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1069123#20 and > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1069123#25 say > that the request was correct, but the bugs shouldn't have been > closed. They have now been reopened. Actually, if I understand correctly, LibreOffice will really be removed on some architectures (armhf ppc64el s390x mips64el riscv64). Fortunately, I am not concerned by this removal (only by the fact that my bug reports were closed, but this has now been fixed). -- Vincent Lefèvre <vincent@vinc17.net> - Web: <https://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <https://www.vinc17.net/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)
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| From | Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> |
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| Date | 2024-04-18 04:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <IupHb-71xb-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #268911 |
> Actually, if I understand correctly, LibreOffice will really be
> removed on some architectures (armhf ppc64el s390x mips64el riscv64).
🙁
Stefan
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| From | Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> |
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| Date | 2024-04-17 16:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <IueiJ-6Uw8-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #268907 |
On 2024-04-17 14:59:18 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 15:35:57 +0200 > Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> wrote: > > Hello Vincent, > > >If this is not permanent, why have all the bugs been closed? > > That I have no answer for. I've sent a message to bug 1069123 (which requested the removal). https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1069123#20 and https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1069123#25 say that the request was correct, but the bugs shouldn't have been closed. They have now been reopened. -- Vincent Lefèvre <vincent@vinc17.net> - Web: <https://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <https://www.vinc17.net/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)
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| From | Sarunas Burdulis <sarunas@math.dartmouth.edu> |
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| Date | 2024-04-17 16:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <IudZo-6Ual-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #268904 |
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On 4/17/24 09:12, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> Is there any reason why LibreOffice has been removed from Debian???
Seems still to be included in unstable and experimental:
$ apt policy libreoffice
libreoffice:
Installed: 4:24.2.2-3+b1
Candidate: 4:24.2.2-3+b1
Version table:
*** 4:24.2.2-3+b1 500
500 http://deb.debian.org/debian sid/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
4:24.2.2~rc2-2 1
1 https://deb.debian.org/debian experimental/main amd64 Packages
--
Sarunas Burdulis
Dartmouth Mathematics
math.dartmouth.edu/~sarunas
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| From | Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> |
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| Date | 2024-04-18 10:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <IuuQx-74AU-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #268904 |
Le 17/04/2024 à 15:26, Brad Rogers a écrit : > On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 15:12:39 +0200 > Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> wrote: > > Hello Vincent, > >> Is there any reason why LibreOffice has been removed from Debian??? > https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libreoffice > > Has all the info you need, and more. Expect it to be removed from > testing, too. > > This is not permanent. > What scares me is seeing part of 18 ongoing transition, and 4 "coming soon transitions" with "please do not upload if it is not related to the transition".
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| From | Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> |
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| Date | 2024-04-18 10:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Iuv0d-74Ts-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #268926 |
Am 18.04.2024 schrieb Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org>: > What scares me is seeing part of 18 ongoing transition, and 4 "coming > soon transitions" with "please do not upload if it is not related to > the transition". That is Debian unstable. There will be changes that break things and it is intended to find and fix them.
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| From | Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> |
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| Date | 2024-04-18 10:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <IuvjA-74ZJ-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #268926 |
On 18 Apr 2024 09:55 +0200, from erwan@rail.eu.org (Erwan David): >> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libreoffice > > What scares me is seeing part of 18 ongoing transition, and 4 "coming soon > transitions" with "please do not upload if it is not related to the > transition". Why does that scare you? Those entries are related to testing; that is, it seems to me, Trixie. We're over a year away from a likely release of Trixie, or correspondingly half way in between the Bookworm and Trixie releases. (Note: I have no special knowledge of the release cycle planning for Trixie. This is based on historical evidence and an assumption that something approximating the release cycle for the last several releases will apply also to Trixie, which would put a Trixie release in mid-2025.) Large-scale changes in Testing and Unstable _especially_ at this point in the release cycle are to be expected. Sometimes those changes will by necessity block other changes until everything is sorted out in terms of versions, dependencies and packaging. If you want stability, run Stable (and maybe Backports). If you're running Testing or Unstable (let alone with Experimental on top of that), then you should _expect_ there to be occasional breakage or large-scale changes that can block upgrades until it is all sorted out by the package maintainers, and which may sometimes require local intervention as well. To be fair, this did apparently cause some side effects of bugs being closed incorrectly; but my understanding from the sidelines of this thread is that that was corrected quickly once brought to attention. -- Michael Kjörling 🔗 https://michael.kjorling.se “Remember when, on the Internet, nobody cared that you were a dog?”
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| From | Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> |
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| Date | 2024-04-18 11:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian |
| Message-ID | <Iuwpj-75KC-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #268926 |
I only hope, it will not happen the same fate like usermin and webmin happened to: It was once removed from the repoi with th ereason "spagehetti code, bad code" and then no one ever took a look again to it, although many, many years of coding passed by. And webmin and usermin are still developed! I suppose, it is much easier, to remove a package, than to fix it. Once removed, it will soon be forgotten. This is not mourning, please note, just things, I am just reflect my watchings. And for libreoffice I suppose, it is planned, to change from 7.6 to 24.4, which will be a major jump. Don't anger, if I do not find the correct Englisg idioms! Best Hans
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2024-04-18 12:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Marking as spam [was: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian] |
| Message-ID | <IuwIF-75VV-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #268931 |
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Hi, Hans is it your mail setup adding that *****SPAM***** decoration to the subject? Just curious... cheers -- t
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| From | Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> |
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| Date | 2024-04-18 17:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: *****SPAM***** Marking as spam [was: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian] |
| Message-ID | <IuByF-7a4r-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #268932 |
Am Donnerstag, 18. April 2024, 11:53:38 CEST schrieb tomas@tuxteam.de: Hi Tomas, this is by debian servers, I talked about this for a while. Because the debian servers mark some things in the header, megamailservers.eu mark them as spam and add ****SPAM**** to the headline. As I can not fix it and debian admins will also not do, and I just answered to the debian mail, you see the spam mark in the headline. I am no motre thinking of it, because everything was said in another theread in this list. For myself I made a rule in spamassassin, that mails from debian are whitelisted, although they are marked as spam and although they are appearing with ****SPA**** in the headline - as I know, they are NO spam! Hope, this explains it. Best Hans > Hi, Hans > > is it your mail setup adding that *****SPAM***** decoration to the > subject? > > Just curious... > > cheers
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| From | Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> |
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| Date | 2024-04-18 17:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: *****SPAM***** Marking as spam [was: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian] |
| Message-ID | <IuBIl-7a8L-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #268946 |
Hans (12024-04-18): > As I can not fix it You can manually remove “*****SPAM*****” from the mail when you reply. You could even automate it on your end. -- Nicolas George
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| From | "rtnetzlof@windstream.net" <rtnetzlof@windstream.net> |
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| Date | 2024-04-18 17:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: *****SPAM***** Marking as spam [was: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian] |
| Message-ID | <IuBS1-7adX-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #268947 |
As I understand what he wrote, the SPAM tag is added after the message leaves his control. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicolas George" <george@nsup.org> To: "debian-user" <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2024 11:13:44 AM Subject: Re: *****SPAM***** Marking as spam [was: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian] Hans (12024-04-18): > As I can not fix it You can manually remove “*****SPAM*****” from the mail when you reply. You could even automate it on your end. -- Nicolas George -- Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob
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| From | Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> |
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| Date | 2024-04-18 17:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: *****SPAM***** Marking as spam [was: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian] |
| Message-ID | <IuBS2-7adX-41@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #268949 |
rtnetzlof@windstream.net (12024-04-18): > As I understand what he wrote, the SPAM tag is added after the message leaves his control. I very much doubt it, we would see “*****SPAM***** Re:” rather than “Re: *****SPAM*****”. And his recent “Sorry” mail was not tagged. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2024/04/msg00294.html Regards, -- Nicolas George
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| From | Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> |
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| Date | 2024-04-18 17:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: *****SPAM***** Marking as spam |
| Message-ID | <IuCbn-7alP-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #268949 |
Am Donnerstag, 18. April 2024, 17:21:41 CEST schrieb rtnetzlof@windstream.net: To make clear: The first time I replied, I forgot to remove the spam tag. But the "Sorry" mail I did send without the spam tag. However, I get it WITH the spamtag, as all mails get the DCIM=false tag in the header (created by the debian servers) and megamailservers.eu add the ****SPAM**** tag. Those, who receive their mails on another way, are not affected, but I am. Thus, I get some mails from the debian list with ****SPAM**** tag and some without, depending how I received it. I can not fix this (as already described in another thread on this list here), so I had to create a whitelist rule in my spamrules. However, yes, you can expect from me, that I remove the ****SPAM**** tag, when I reply of mails. If I reply, I am not sure, if the spam tag is recreated, whilst the DCIM=false tag might be kept in the reply mails (did not examine this). Of course, I will watch to remove the spam tag when replying in the future. Promised! Best Hans > As I understand what he wrote, the SPAM tag is added after the message > leaves his control. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicolas George" <george@nsup.org> > To: "debian-user" <debian-user@lists.debian.org> > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2024 11:13:44 AM > Subject: Re: *****SPAM***** Marking as spam [was: *****SPAM***** Re: > LibreOffice removed from Debian] > Hans (12024-04-18): > > As I can not fix it > > You can manually remove “*****SPAM*****” from the mail when you reply. > > You could even automate it on your end.
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| From | Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> |
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| Date | 2024-04-18 18:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Marking as spam |
| Message-ID | <IuCEp-7aMo-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #268952 |
On 18/04/2024 12:43, Hans wrote: > But the "Sorry" mail I did send without the spam tag. However, I get it WITH > the spamtag, as all mails get the DCIM=false tag in the header (created by the > debian servers) and megamailservers.eu add the ****SPAM**** tag. Or you could use a less shitty mail service, because failed DKIM (I assume that's what you mean by DCIM=false) does not mean that an email is a spam. Conversely, I see a lot of spams that have a valid DKIM signature. Moreover, I don't think the Debian list servers validate DKIM. It's probably your host that is doing so. And finally, your own mails fail DKIM, so for a mail server that seems to give so much importance to DKIM, they could at least set it up right. -- Nothing can be done in one trip. -- Snider Eduardo M KALINOWSKI eduardo@kalinowski.com.br
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| From | The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> |
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| Date | 2024-04-18 19:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Marking as spam |
| Message-ID | <IuDh8-7b3J-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #268954 |
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On 2024-04-18 at 11:53, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > On 18/04/2024 12:43, Hans wrote: > >> But the "Sorry" mail I did send without the spam tag. However, I >> get it WITH the spamtag, as all mails get the DCIM=false tag in the >> header (created by the debian servers) and megamailservers.eu add >> the ****SPAM**** tag. > > Or you could use a less shitty mail service, because failed DKIM (I > assume that's what you mean by DCIM=false) does not mean that an > email is a spam. Good luck convincing a provider which has decided to do this of that. > Conversely, I see a lot of spams that have a valid DKIM signature. > > Moreover, I don't think the Debian list servers validate DKIM. It's > probably your host that is doing so. > > And finally, your own mails fail DKIM, so for a mail server that > seems to give so much importance to DKIM, they could at least set it > up right. My understanding, based I think in part on past conversations, was/is that changes which are often made to messages automatically by mailing-list software as part of forwarding them through to the list members have the side effect of causing DKIM checks to fail (at least with some DKIM-validating configurations, I'm not sure about all). If that is correct, then not only would that likely be the reason for Hans' mail provider seeing DKIM validation failing for all mails from debian-user, it would also mean that mails from Hans would probably fail DKIM validation for those who receive them through debian-user - without meaning that his mail provider is necessarily doing DKIM wrong, at least on the sending end. A way to check that might be to have Hans send a mail to someone both via the list and not, or (if that gets filtered out by some relevant software as being a duplicate) send two mails, one via the list and the other not. If the one via the list has the header flag for failed DKIM, and the other doesn't, that would seem to narrow down the possibilities. (I am not volunteering for this.) On the other hand, if my understanding is *not* correct, then none of that applies. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw
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| From | Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> |
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| Date | 2024-04-18 17:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Sorry |
| Message-ID | <IuBIm-7a8L-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #268946 |
Am Donnerstag, 18. April 2024, 17:08:53 CEST schrieb Hans: Sorry, the spam tag appears because of DCIM in the header. Not my fault. Best Hans > Am Donnerstag, 18. April 2024, 11:53:38 CEST schrieb tomas@tuxteam.de: > Hi Tomas, > > this is by debian servers, I talked about this for a while. Because the > debian servers mark some things in the header, megamailservers.eu mark them > as spam and add ****SPAM**** to the headline. > > As I can not fix it and debian admins will also not do, and I just answered > to the debian mail, you see the spam mark in the headline. > > I am no motre thinking of it, because everything was said in another theread > in this list. > > For myself I made a rule in spamassassin, that mails from debian are > whitelisted, although they are marked as spam and although they are > appearing with ****SPA**** in the headline - as I know, they are NO spam! > > Hope, this explains it. > > Best > > Hans > > > Hi, Hans > > > > is it your mail setup adding that *****SPAM***** decoration to the > > subject? > > > > Just curious... > > > > cheers
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