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  Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20240501) "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-06-01 22:10 +0200
    Parenthesis or square brackets and "was" (was: Re: Monthly FAQ for  Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20240501)) Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-06-02 05:10 +0200
      Re: Parenthesis or square brackets and "was" Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-06-02 05:20 +0200
      Re: Parenthesis or square brackets and "was" (was: Re: Monthly FAQ  for Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20240501)) Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-06-02 05:20 +0200
        Re: Parenthesis or square brackets and "was" Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-06-02 05:30 +0200
      Re: Parenthesis or square brackets and "was" (was: Re: Monthly FAQ  for Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20240501)) "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-06-02 12:10 +0200
      Parenthesis or square brackets and "was" (was: Re: Monthly FAQ for  Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20240501)) eben@gmx.us - 2024-06-02 19:00 +0200
        Re: Parenthesis or square brackets and "was" Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-06-02 19:10 +0200
          Re: Tbird and square brackets in subject field - was - Re:  Parenthesis or square brackets and "was" Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-06-02 19:20 +0200
            Re: Tbird and square brackets in subject field - was - Re:  Parenthesis or square brackets and "was" Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 05:30 +0200
          Re: Tbird and square brackets in subject field - was - Re:  Parenthesis or square brackets and "was" Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-06-02 19:20 +0200
          Tbird and square brackets in subject field - was - Re: Parenthesis or  square brackets and "was" Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-06-02 19:20 +0200

#269816 — Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20240501)

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#269827 — Parenthesis or square brackets and "was" (was: Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20240501))

On 02/06/2024 02:59, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> If you change subject
> or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email
> accordingly so that this can be clearly seen.
> 
> For example: New question [WAS Old topic]

Are square brackets intentional here? E.g. thunderbird strips "(was:" 
subject part from response subject. Perhaps Gnus may treat square 
brackets as well. I have no idea concerning other mailers.

Sorry for violating the rule. Curious users may test if their MUAs 
recognize "(was: ...)" in the subject and remove old part.

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#269828 — Re: Parenthesis or square brackets and "was"

On 2/6/24 11:13, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 2/6/24 11:09, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>> On Sun, Jun 02, 2024 at 10:02:58AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
>>> On 02/06/2024 02:59, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
>>>> If you change subject
>>>> or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email
>>>> accordingly so that this can be clearly seen.
>>>>
>>>> For example: New question [WAS Old topic]
>>>
>>> Are square brackets intentional here? E.g. thunderbird strips "(was:"
>>> subject part from response subject. Perhaps Gnus may treat square 
>>> brackets
>>> as well. I have no idea concerning other mailers.
>>
>> My despair and agony increase every time I hear about some new 
>> abomination
>> that people's mail user agents perform by default.
>>
>> *face palms, shakes head*
>>
> 
> I simply use single hyphen; for example
> abomination - was Re: yeti another snowman
> 

or, more appropriately (because it is an abomni nation)

abomination - was Re: yeti another country of snowmen

...

....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................

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#269829 — Re: Parenthesis or square brackets and "was" (was: Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20240501))

On Sun, Jun 02, 2024 at 10:02:58AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
> On 02/06/2024 02:59, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > If you change subject
> > or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email
> > accordingly so that this can be clearly seen.
> > 
> > For example: New question [WAS Old topic]
> 
> Are square brackets intentional here? E.g. thunderbird strips "(was:"
> subject part from response subject. Perhaps Gnus may treat square brackets
> as well. I have no idea concerning other mailers.

My despair and agony increase every time I hear about some new abomination
that people's mail user agents perform by default.

*face palms, shakes head*

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#269830 — Re: Parenthesis or square brackets and "was"

On 2/6/24 11:09, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 02, 2024 at 10:02:58AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
>> On 02/06/2024 02:59, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
>>> If you change subject
>>> or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email
>>> accordingly so that this can be clearly seen.
>>>
>>> For example: New question [WAS Old topic]
>>
>> Are square brackets intentional here? E.g. thunderbird strips "(was:"
>> subject part from response subject. Perhaps Gnus may treat square brackets
>> as well. I have no idea concerning other mailers.
> 
> My despair and agony increase every time I hear about some new abomination
> that people's mail user agents perform by default.
> 
> *face palms, shakes head*
> 

I simply use single hyphen; for example
abomination - was Re: yeti another snowman

....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................

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#269832 — Re: Parenthesis or square brackets and "was" (was: Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20240501))

On Sun, Jun 02, 2024 at 10:02:58AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
> On 02/06/2024 02:59, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > If you change subject
> > or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email
> > accordingly so that this can be clearly seen.
> > 
> > For example: New question [WAS Old topic]
> 
> Are square brackets intentional here? E.g. thunderbird strips "(was:"
> subject part from response subject. Perhaps Gnus may treat square brackets
> as well. I have no idea concerning other mailers.
> 

No - the square brackets are an example :)

Square brackets can be noticed, perhaps, and the effort to type them may
be worth the distinctiveness, but what I really wanted was to make the
distinction visually clear so that the reader would notice it..

I routinely type ammedments to the subject in square brackets and
add WAS in upper case so that this is immediately apparent in a long
email thread. Whatever your mailer does is fine but it needs to stand out
clearly. Similarly, whenever I reply to something on behalf of the 
Community Team, I add that in square brackets to show that it is
distinct.

New topic - brackets or parentheses (WAS: Debian-user Monthly FAQ)
might be appropriate here. So that email subjects don't go beyond 72
characters, you may always need to abbreviate the amended subject.

[WAS: WAS: WAS (previous subject)] would be too many levels of off-topic
discussion - but this discussion is still, just about, on topic.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater
(amacater@debian.org)



> Sorry for violating the rule. Curious users may test if their MUAs recognize
> "(was: ...)" in the subject and remove old part.
> 
> 
> 

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#269840 — Parenthesis or square brackets and "was" (was: Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20240501))

On 6/1/24 23:02, Max Nikulin wrote:
> On 02/06/2024 02:59, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
>> If you change subject
>> or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email
>> accordingly so that this can be clearly seen.
>>
>> For example: New question [WAS Old topic]
>
> Are square brackets intentional here? E.g. thunderbird strips "(was:"
> subject part from response subject.

This is true.  I (on Thunderbird 115) had to restore the subject line after
Thunderbird modified it.  Do you know of a plugin or weird setting to make
it stop doing that?  Web searches were fruitless.

--
A mob with torches and pitchforks approaches the castle.
"Sire, the peasants are revolting!"
"Yeah, disgusting, aren't they?"

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#269841 — Re: Parenthesis or square brackets and "was"

On 3/6/24 00:52, eben@gmx.us wrote:
> On 6/1/24 23:02, Max Nikulin wrote:
>> On 02/06/2024 02:59, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
>>> If you change subject
>>> or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email
>>> accordingly so that this can be clearly seen.
>>>
>>> For example: New question [WAS Old topic]
>>
>> Are square brackets intentional here? E.g. thunderbird strips "(was:"
>> subject part from response subject.
> 
> This is true.  I (on Thunderbird 115) had to restore the subject line after
> Thunderbird modified it.  Do you know of a plugin or weird setting to make
> it stop doing that?  Web searches were fruitless.
> 
> -- 
> A mob with torches and pitchforks approaches the castle.
> "Sire, the peasants are revolting!"
> "Yeah, disgusting, aren't they?"
> 
I am using Tbird "115.11.0 (64-bit)" and, in checking, have found that 
square brackets are apparently not molested in this version of Tbird.

In checking in my Inbox, for email from a mailing list that uses mailing 
list name subject field prepending, I observed that the GnuCash mailing 
list uses such prepending, and the subject line
"Re: [GNC] Problem with New Account Creation"
is apparently not molested by Tbird.


Similarly, with this (the Debian users) list,
"Re: [solved] Re: No login with Debian 12 ssh client, ssh-rsa key, 
Debian 8 sshd"
and
"Re: [Solved]: What DE to replace GNOME with?"
appear to be unmolested by Tbird.

Whilst I regard Tbird after v102.x, as a pile of faecal matter, having 
been downgraded from v102.x (the higher the version number, the greater 
the degree of downgrading), the reported problem involving square 
brackets in the subject field, is not apparent on this system, making me 
wonder whether the reported problem, is an effect of either affected 
users' settings, or, desktop environments, or, themes.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

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#269842 — Re: Tbird and square brackets in subject field - was - Re: Parenthesis or square brackets and "was"

On 3/6/24 01:16, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 3/6/24 01:09, Bret Busby wrote:
>> On 3/6/24 01:06, Bret Busby wrote:
>>> On 3/6/24 00:52, eben@gmx.us wrote:
>>>> On 6/1/24 23:02, Max Nikulin wrote:
>>>>> On 02/06/2024 02:59, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
>>>>>> If you change subject
>>>>>> or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your 
>>>>>> email
>>>>>> accordingly so that this can be clearly seen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For example: New question [WAS Old topic]
>>>>>
>>>>> Are square brackets intentional here? E.g. thunderbird strips "(was:"
>>>>> subject part from response subject.
>>>>
>>>> This is true.  I (on Thunderbird 115) had to restore the subject 
>>>> line after
>>>> Thunderbird modified it.  Do you know of a plugin or weird setting 
>>>> to make
>>>> it stop doing that?  Web searches were fruitless.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> A mob with torches and pitchforks approaches the castle.
>>>> "Sire, the peasants are revolting!"
>>>> "Yeah, disgusting, aren't they?"
>>>>
>>> I am using Tbird "115.11.0 (64-bit)" and, in checking, have found 
>>> that square brackets are apparently not molested in this version of 
>>> Tbird.
>>>
>>> In checking in my Inbox, for email from a mailing list that uses 
>>> mailing list name subject field prepending, I observed that the 
>>> GnuCash mailing list uses such prepending, and the subject line
>>> "Re: [GNC] Problem with New Account Creation"
>>> is apparently not molested by Tbird.
>>>
>>>
>>> Similarly, with this (the Debian users) list,
>>> "Re: [solved] Re: No login with Debian 12 ssh client, ssh-rsa key, 
>>> Debian 8 sshd"
>>> and
>>> "Re: [Solved]: What DE to replace GNOME with?"
>>> appear to be unmolested by Tbird.
>>>
>>> Whilst I regard Tbird after v102.x, as a pile of faecal matter, 
>>> having been downgraded from v102.x (the higher the version number, 
>>> the greater the degree of downgrading), the reported problem 
>>> involving square brackets in the subject field, is not apparent on 
>>> this system, making me wonder whether the reported problem, is an 
>>> effect of either affected users' settings, or, desktop environments, 
>>> or, themes.
>>>
>>> ..
>>> Bret Busby
>>> Armadale
>>> West Australia
>>> (UTC+0800)
>>> ..............
>>>
>> Sorry - I should have changed the subject field value, in my last 
>> previous post, to more properly refer to where this thread has gone.
>>
>> ..
>> Bret Busby
>> Armadale
>> West Australia
>> (UTC+0800)
>> ..............
>>
> Similarly to the above examples; just came through - the subject field
> "[SECURITY] [DSA 5703-1] linux security update"
> is also unmolested by Tbird.
> 
> And, that has two sets of square brackets.
> 

Also, from the claws-mail users mailing list;
"Re: [Users] How to check if Bogofilter is still working?"

...

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

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#269861 — Re: Tbird and square brackets in subject field - was - Re: Parenthesis or square brackets and "was"

On 03/06/2024 00:19, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 3/6/24 01:16, Bret Busby wrote:
>> On 3/6/24 01:09, Bret Busby wrote:
>>> On 3/6/24 01:06, Bret Busby wrote:
>>>>> On 6/1/24 23:02, Max Nikulin wrote:
>>>>>> On 02/06/2024 02:59, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For example: New question [WAS Old topic]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are square brackets intentional here? E.g. thunderbird strips "(was:"
>>>>>> subject part from response subject.
[...]
>>>> "Re: [GNC] Problem with New Account Creation"
>>>> is apparently not molested by Tbird.
[...]
>>>> "Re: [solved] Re: No login with Debian 12 ssh client, ssh-rsa key, 
>>>> Debian 8 sshd"
[...]
>> "[SECURITY] [DSA 5703-1] linux security update"
[...]
> "Re: [Users] How to check if Bogofilter is still working?"

Relax. In the case of thunderbird the pattern is namely " (was:".

It is not configurable, but I do not expect significant rate of false 
positives. I do not see any problem with this behavior as the default. 
When subject is changed you see both old and new variants. In follow-ups 
it allows to keep subject concise without additional efforts from users. 
Messages still have links to all messages in the thread in the 
References header, so you may find original subject if you need it.

UI may offer to revert subject to the original one and I would consider 
it as an improvement.

Regexp in Emacs includes square bracket and variation of case. However 
there are more tunables:
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/tree/lisp/gnus/message.el#n321
- `message-subject-trailing-was-query'
- `message-subject-trailing-was-ask-regexp'
- `message-subject-trailing-was-regexp'

I accidentally noticed stripping old subject part in another mailing 
list, so I was curious if "[WAS" in the FAQ follows another convention 
than thunderbird implements. Andrew clarified that it is just an example 
and it is intended for humans.

It seems thunderbird may add "(was:", but I have never used message 
templates.

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#269843 — Re: Tbird and square brackets in subject field - was - Re: Parenthesis or square brackets and "was"

On 3/6/24 01:09, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 3/6/24 01:06, Bret Busby wrote:
>> On 3/6/24 00:52, eben@gmx.us wrote:
>>> On 6/1/24 23:02, Max Nikulin wrote:
>>>> On 02/06/2024 02:59, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
>>>>> If you change subject
>>>>> or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your 
>>>>> email
>>>>> accordingly so that this can be clearly seen.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example: New question [WAS Old topic]
>>>>
>>>> Are square brackets intentional here? E.g. thunderbird strips "(was:"
>>>> subject part from response subject.
>>>
>>> This is true.  I (on Thunderbird 115) had to restore the subject line 
>>> after
>>> Thunderbird modified it.  Do you know of a plugin or weird setting to 
>>> make
>>> it stop doing that?  Web searches were fruitless.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> A mob with torches and pitchforks approaches the castle.
>>> "Sire, the peasants are revolting!"
>>> "Yeah, disgusting, aren't they?"
>>>
>> I am using Tbird "115.11.0 (64-bit)" and, in checking, have found that 
>> square brackets are apparently not molested in this version of Tbird.
>>
>> In checking in my Inbox, for email from a mailing list that uses 
>> mailing list name subject field prepending, I observed that the 
>> GnuCash mailing list uses such prepending, and the subject line
>> "Re: [GNC] Problem with New Account Creation"
>> is apparently not molested by Tbird.
>>
>>
>> Similarly, with this (the Debian users) list,
>> "Re: [solved] Re: No login with Debian 12 ssh client, ssh-rsa key, 
>> Debian 8 sshd"
>> and
>> "Re: [Solved]: What DE to replace GNOME with?"
>> appear to be unmolested by Tbird.
>>
>> Whilst I regard Tbird after v102.x, as a pile of faecal matter, having 
>> been downgraded from v102.x (the higher the version number, the 
>> greater the degree of downgrading), the reported problem involving 
>> square brackets in the subject field, is not apparent on this system, 
>> making me wonder whether the reported problem, is an effect of either 
>> affected users' settings, or, desktop environments, or, themes.
>>
>> ..
>> Bret Busby
>> Armadale
>> West Australia
>> (UTC+0800)
>> ..............
>>
> Sorry - I should have changed the subject field value, in my last 
> previous post, to more properly refer to where this thread has gone.
> 
> ..
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> West Australia
> (UTC+0800)
> ..............
> 
Similarly to the above examples; just came through - the subject field
"[SECURITY] [DSA 5703-1] linux security update"
is also unmolested by Tbird.

And, that has two sets of square brackets.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

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#269844 — Tbird and square brackets in subject field - was - Re: Parenthesis or square brackets and "was"

On 3/6/24 01:06, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 3/6/24 00:52, eben@gmx.us wrote:
>> On 6/1/24 23:02, Max Nikulin wrote:
>>> On 02/06/2024 02:59, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
>>>> If you change subject
>>>> or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email
>>>> accordingly so that this can be clearly seen.
>>>>
>>>> For example: New question [WAS Old topic]
>>>
>>> Are square brackets intentional here? E.g. thunderbird strips "(was:"
>>> subject part from response subject.
>>
>> This is true.  I (on Thunderbird 115) had to restore the subject line 
>> after
>> Thunderbird modified it.  Do you know of a plugin or weird setting to 
>> make
>> it stop doing that?  Web searches were fruitless.
>>
>> -- 
>> A mob with torches and pitchforks approaches the castle.
>> "Sire, the peasants are revolting!"
>> "Yeah, disgusting, aren't they?"
>>
> I am using Tbird "115.11.0 (64-bit)" and, in checking, have found that 
> square brackets are apparently not molested in this version of Tbird.
> 
> In checking in my Inbox, for email from a mailing list that uses mailing 
> list name subject field prepending, I observed that the GnuCash mailing 
> list uses such prepending, and the subject line
> "Re: [GNC] Problem with New Account Creation"
> is apparently not molested by Tbird.
> 
> 
> Similarly, with this (the Debian users) list,
> "Re: [solved] Re: No login with Debian 12 ssh client, ssh-rsa key, 
> Debian 8 sshd"
> and
> "Re: [Solved]: What DE to replace GNOME with?"
> appear to be unmolested by Tbird.
> 
> Whilst I regard Tbird after v102.x, as a pile of faecal matter, having 
> been downgraded from v102.x (the higher the version number, the greater 
> the degree of downgrading), the reported problem involving square 
> brackets in the subject field, is not apparent on this system, making me 
> wonder whether the reported problem, is an effect of either affected 
> users' settings, or, desktop environments, or, themes.
> 
> ..
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> West Australia
> (UTC+0800)
> ..............
> 
Sorry - I should have changed the subject field value, in my last 
previous post, to more properly refer to where this thread has gone.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

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