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  call me puzzled. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-12 14:40 +0100
    Thunderbird filters (was: call me puzzled.) Arno Lehmann <al@its-lehmann.de> - 2024-01-12 14:50 +0100
      Re: Thunderbird filters David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-12 22:00 +0100
        Re: Thunderbird filters gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-13 03:20 +0100
          Re: Thunderbird filters David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-14 11:00 +0100
            Re: Thunderbird filters gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-14 17:00 +0100
              Re: Thunderbird filters Arno Lehmann <al@its-lehmann.de> - 2024-01-14 17:20 +0100
                Re: Thunderbird filters gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-14 23:10 +0100
                  Re: Thunderbird filters Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-01-14 23:30 +0100
                    Re: Thunderbird filters gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-15 02:00 +0100
                  Re: Thunderbird filters Arno Lehmann <al@its-lehmann.de> - 2024-01-15 01:00 +0100
              Re: Thunderbird filters David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-15 02:30 +0100
                Re: Thunderbird filters Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-01-15 15:10 +0100
                  Re: Thunderbird filters David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-15 22:30 +0100
                    Re: Thunderbird filters Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-01-16 03:40 +0100
                      Re: Thunderbird filters David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-16 06:40 +0100
                        Re: Thunderbird filters Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-01-16 16:20 +0100
            Re: Thunderbird filters David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-14 17:20 +0100
              Re: Thunderbird filters gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-14 23:20 +0100
                Re: Thunderbird filters Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-01-15 00:20 +0100
                Re: Thunderbird filters David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-15 01:50 +0100
              Re: Thunderbird filters David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-01-15 02:20 +0100
          Re: Thunderbird filters Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-01-14 17:50 +0100
            Re: Thunderbird filters gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-14 23:20 +0100
    Re: call me puzzled. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-15 00:20 +0100
      Re: call me puzzled. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-15 21:00 +0100
        Re: call me puzzled. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-01-15 21:10 +0100
          Re: call me puzzled. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-01-16 05:10 +0100
            Re: call me puzzled. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-01-16 07:00 +0100
        Re: call me puzzled. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-01-16 00:20 +0100

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#265826 — call me puzzled.

I'm using tbird as an email agent, but it just did something both 
strange and scary.

Its filters have been working very spotty, only when the phase of the 
moon was right. And it missed moving a msg from the nut list to the 
local nut sbbdir, so I went to the filter menu and had it add a new 
filter based on that msg.  Then told it to "run it now". Apparently a 
big mistake!!!!!!

tbird took about an hour, totally cleaned out the inbox at my mail 
server of 4080 some messages, w/o adding or moving to anything, 
absolutely zip to any local mail directory. No local msgs were played 
with, but I've lost several hundred often used addresses that were 
stashed in my inbox.

Does anybody have a clue what did that?

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#265827 — Thunderbird filters (was: call me puzzled.)

Hi Gene,

Am 12.01.2024 um 14:31 schrieb gene heskett:
> I'm using tbird as an email agent, but it just did something both 
> strange and scary.
> 
> Its filters have been working very spotty, only when the phase of the 
> moon was right. And it missed moving a msg from the nut list to the 
> local nut sbbdir, so I went to the filter menu and had it add a new 
> filter based on that msg.  Then told it to "run it now". Apparently a 
> big mistake!!!!!!
> 
> tbird took about an hour, totally cleaned out the inbox at my mail 
> server of 4080 some messages, w/o adding or moving to anything, 
> absolutely zip to any local mail directory. No local msgs were played 
> with, but I've lost several hundred often used addresses that were 
> stashed in my inbox.
> 
> Does anybody have a clue what did that?

You will have to share the actual filter and actions you configured 
before anybopdy can develop any clue.

Also, adding the actual version of thunderbird will be useful.

And it may be relevant to have the account type, too -- pop3, imap, 
whatever server side, and how your local mail storage is organized.

Cheers,

Arno

> Thanks.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.

-- 
Arno Lehmann

IT-Service Lehmann
Sandstr. 6, 49080 Osnabrück

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#265854 — Re: Thunderbird filters

On 1/12/24 05:47, Arno Lehmann wrote:
> Am 12.01.2024 um 14:31 schrieb gene heskett:
>> I'm using tbird as an email agent, but it just did something both 
>> strange and scary.
>>
>> Its filters have been working very spotty, only when the phase of the 
>> moon was right. And it missed moving a msg from the nut list to the 
>> local nut sbbdir, so I went to the filter menu and had it add a new 
>> filter based on that msg.  Then told it to "run it now". Apparently a 
>> big mistake!!!!!!
>>
>> tbird took about an hour, totally cleaned out the inbox at my mail 
>> server of 4080 some messages, w/o adding or moving to anything, 
>> absolutely zip to any local mail directory. No local msgs were played 
>> with, but I've lost several hundred often used addresses that were 
>> stashed in my inbox.
>>
>> Does anybody have a clue what did that?
> 
> You will have to share the actual filter and actions you configured 
> before anybopdy can develop any clue.
> 
> Also, adding the actual version of thunderbird will be useful.
> 
> And it may be relevant to have the account type, too -- pop3, imap, 
> whatever server side, and how your local mail storage is organized.


Until this bug is resolved, I suggest:

1.  Shut down the computer.  If you have Ethernet, disconnect the cable.

2.  Boot the computer.  Login to your user account.  If you have Wi-Fi 
or any other network interfaces, disable them so that your comptuer 
cannot connect to mail server.

3.  Back up the $HOME/.thunderbird folder.

4.  Start Thunderbird.  Go to Tools -> Message Filters and disable  all 
filters.  Close Thunderbird.  Shut down your computer.

5.  If you have Ethernet, connect the cable.  Boot your computer.  Login 
to your user account.  If you have Wi-Fi or any other network 
interfaces, enable them.

6.  Start Thunderbird.  Verify that all message filters are disabled. 
Verify that you can send and receive mail.


Go to Thunderbird -> Edit -> Account Settings -> gheskett@shentel.net -> 
Server Settings.  What is the value of the field "Server Type"?


Please run the following commands and post your console session:

2024-01-12 11:49:46 root@taz ~
# cat /etc/debian_version ; uname -a
11.8
Linux taz 5.10.0-26-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.197-1 (2023-09-29) x86_64 
GNU/Linux

2024-01-12 11:49:56 root@taz ~
# dpkg-query -W thunderbird
thunderbird	1:115.6.0-1~deb11u1


STFW for "thunderbird filter plain text dump", I found:

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1147503


Searching for the Thunderbird message filter configuration files on my 
computer:

2024-01-12 12:31:57 dpchrist@taz ~
$ find .thunderbird/dpchrist -iname '*filter*'
.thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/msgFilterRules.dat
.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat
.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat


My mail hosting provider is Hurricane Electric (he.het).  My account is 
on the host november.he.net.  Looking at the contexts of above  files:

2024-01-12 12:34:03 dpchrist@taz ~
$ cat '.thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/msgFilterRules.dat'
version="9"
logging="no"

2024-01-12 12:34:54 dpchrist@taz ~
$ cat .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat
version="9"
logging="no"

2024-01-12 12:38:30 dpchrist@taz ~
$ cat .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat 

version="9"
logging="no"
name="nuke"
enabled="yes"
type="17"
action="Move to folder"
actionValue="imap://dpchrist%40holgerdanske.com@november.he.net/nuke"
action="Stop execution"
condition="OR (from,contains,redacted-user@redacted-host) OR 
(from,contains,@redacted-host) OR ...)"
name="Inbox-copy"
enabled="yes"
type="17"
action="Copy to folder"
actionValue="imap://dpchrist%40holgerdanske.com@november.he.net/Inbox-copy"
condition="ALL"


Please post the contents of your Thunderbird message filter 
configuration files.  Redact if you must, but understand that we cannot 
debug what we cannot see.


David

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#265860 — Re: Thunderbird filters

On 1/12/24 15:58, David Christensen wrote:
> On 1/12/24 05:47, Arno Lehmann wrote:
>> Am 12.01.2024 um 14:31 schrieb gene heskett:
>>> I'm using tbird as an email agent, but it just did something both 
>>> strange and scary.
>>>
>>> Its filters have been working very spotty, only when the phase of the 
>>> moon was right. And it missed moving a msg from the nut list to the 
>>> local nut sbbdir, so I went to the filter menu and had it add a new 
>>> filter based on that msg.  Then told it to "run it now". Apparently a 
>>> big mistake!!!!!!
>>>
>>> tbird took about an hour, totally cleaned out the inbox at my mail 
>>> server of 4080 some messages, w/o adding or moving to anything, 
>>> absolutely zip to any local mail directory. No local msgs were played 
>>> with, but I've lost several hundred often used addresses that were 
>>> stashed in my inbox.
>>>
>>> Does anybody have a clue what did that?
>>
>> You will have to share the actual filter and actions you configured 
>> before anybopdy can develop any clue.
>>
>> Also, adding the actual version of thunderbird will be useful.

115.6.0 (64-bit)

>> And it may be relevant to have the account type, too -- pop3, imap, 
>> whatever server side, and how your local mail storage is organized.
imap
> 
> Until this bug is resolved, I suggest:
> 
> 1.  Shut down the computer.  If you have Ethernet, disconnect the cable.
> 
> 2.  Boot the computer.  Login to your user account.  If you have Wi-Fi 
> or any other network interfaces, disable them so that your comptuer 
> cannot connect to mail server.
> 
> 3.  Back up the $HOME/.thunderbird folder.
> 
> 4.  Start Thunderbird.  Go to Tools -> Message Filters and disable  all 
> filters.  Close Thunderbird.  Shut down your computer.
> 
> 5.  If you have Ethernet, connect the cable.  Boot your computer.  Login 
> to your user account.  If you have Wi-Fi or any other network 
> interfaces, enable them.
> 
> 6.  Start Thunderbird.  Verify that all message filters are disabled. 
> Verify that you can send and receive mail.
> 
> 
> Go to Thunderbird -> Edit -> Account Settings -> gheskett@shentel.net -> 
> Server Settings.  What is the value of the field "Server Type"?

IMAP MAIL Server

> Please run the following commands and post your console session:
> 
> 2024-01-12 11:49:46 root@taz ~
> # cat /etc/debian_version ; uname -a

12.4
Linux coyote 6.1.0-17-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_RT Debian 6.1.69-1 
(2023-12-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux

> 11.8
> Linux taz 5.10.0-26-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.197-1 (2023-09-29) x86_64 
> GNU/Linux
> 
> 2024-01-12 11:49:56 root@taz ~
> # dpkg-query -W thunderbird

thunderbird     1:115.6.0-1~deb12u1

> thunderbird    1:115.6.0-1~deb11u1
> 
> 
> STFW for "thunderbird filter plain text dump", I found:
> 
> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1147503
> 
> 
> Searching for the Thunderbird message filter configuration files on my 
> computer:
> 
> 2024-01-12 12:31:57 dpchrist@taz ~
> $ find .thunderbird/dpchrist -iname '*filter*'
> .thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/msgFilterRules.dat
> .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat
> .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat
> 
I have no such directory structure where subbing my id for dpchrist 
might hide:
gene@coyote:~/.thunderbird$ ls
'Crash Reports'   f37v8icg.default-default   installs.ini  'Pending 
Pings'   profiles.ini   twpgj5qd.default

However, I do have in my home dir, an mbox file dated the 7th:
Which may result in a clue about my raid10, its msgs from SMARTCTL 
running as root to me I've never rx'd containing warnings about /dev/sde 
which is part of that raid10 that is the systems /home directory.
So I'll take a break here and go investigate that.

It does lead to another question, how do I incorporate that into tbird 
so I get important status msgs from root?.
> 
> My mail hosting provider is Hurricane Electric (he.het).  My account is 
> on the host november.he.net.  Looking at the contexts of above  files:
> 
> 2024-01-12 12:34:03 dpchrist@taz ~
> $ cat '.thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/msgFilterRules.dat'
> version="9"
> logging="no"
> 
> 2024-01-12 12:34:54 dpchrist@taz ~
> $ cat .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat
> version="9"
> logging="no"
> 
> 2024-01-12 12:38:30 dpchrist@taz ~
> $ cat .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat
> version="9"
> logging="no"
> name="nuke"
> enabled="yes"
> type="17"
> action="Move to folder"
> actionValue="imap://dpchrist%40holgerdanske.com@november.he.net/nuke"
> action="Stop execution"
> condition="OR (from,contains,redacted-user@redacted-host) OR 
> (from,contains,@redacted-host) OR ...)"
> name="Inbox-copy"
> enabled="yes"
> type="17"
> action="Copy to folder"
> actionValue="imap://dpchrist%40holgerdanske.com@november.he.net/Inbox-copy"
> condition="ALL"
> 
> 
> Please post the contents of your Thunderbird message filter 
> configuration files.  Redact if you must, but understand that we cannot 
> debug what we cannot see.
> 
> 
> David
> 
> .
Appreciated David. If it happens again I will do as much of the above as 
I can, It does seem as if my input sorting filters are working 
noticeably better now.  This is an imap account, aliased to mail2world 
by my isp. I hve increased the period of the savr's whn editing a long 
reply, from 5 minutes to ten, but hve made no other changes.

How ever t-bird has so many hot keys that pop up some config page as I'm 
typing what looks like a legit sentence that I may have commanded 
something by continuing to type after the popup shows up as it steals 
the focus when it does. I wish there was some way to disable that crap 
until I actually want to do some config stuff.

Typed the above before I noted the mbox file.  Thanks David.  New thread 
when I find out whats wrong.

Take care, stat warm, dry and well.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#265919 — Re: Thunderbird filters

On 1/12/24 18:17, gene heskett wrote:
> On 1/12/24 15:58, David Christensen wrote:
>> Go to Thunderbird -> Edit -> Account Settings -> gheskett@shentel.net 
>> -> Server Settings.  What is the value of the field "Server Type"?
> 
> IMAP MAIL Server


Okay.


>> Please run the following commands and post your console session:
>>
>> 2024-01-12 11:49:46 root@taz ~
>> # cat /etc/debian_version ; uname -a
> 
> 12.4
> Linux coyote 6.1.0-17-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_RT Debian 6.1.69-1 
> (2023-12-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux


Okay.


>> 2024-01-12 11:49:56 root@taz ~
>> # dpkg-query -W thunderbird
> 
> thunderbird     1:115.6.0-1~deb12u1


Okay.


>> Searching for the Thunderbird message filter configuration files on my 
>> computer:
>>
>> 2024-01-12 12:31:57 dpchrist@taz ~
>> $ find .thunderbird/dpchrist -iname '*filter*'
>> .thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/msgFilterRules.dat
>> .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat
>> .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat
>>
> I have no such directory structure where subbing my id for dpchrist 
> might hide:
> gene@coyote:~/.thunderbird$ ls
> 'Crash Reports'   f37v8icg.default-default   installs.ini  'Pending 
> Pings'   profiles.ini   twpgj5qd.default


Use find(1) instead of ls(1):

$ find . -xdev -iname '*filter*'


> However, I do have in my home dir, an mbox file dated the 7th:
> Which may result in a clue about my raid10, its msgs from SMARTCTL 
> running as root to me I've never rx'd containing warnings about /dev/sde 
> which is part of that raid10 that is the systems /home directory.
> So I'll take a break here and go investigate that.
> 
> It does lead to another question, how do I incorporate that into tbird 
> so I get important status msgs from root?.


I have the same need for both my Debian and FreeBSD machines.


>> Please post the contents of your Thunderbird message filter 
>> configuration files.  Redact if you must, but understand that we 
>> cannot debug what we cannot see.

> Appreciated David. If it happens again I will do as much of the above as 
> I can, It does seem as if my input sorting filters are working 
> noticeably better now.  This is an imap account, aliased to mail2world 
> by my isp. I hve increased the period of the savr's whn editing a long 
> reply, from 5 minutes to ten, but hve made no other changes.
> 
> How ever t-bird has so many hot keys that pop up some config page as I'm 
> typing what looks like a legit sentence that I may have commanded 
> something by continuing to type after the popup shows up as it steals 
> the focus when it does. I wish there was some way to disable that crap 
> until I actually want to do some config stuff.


Edit -> Settings does not seem to offer a way to turn off hot keys (?). 
All I can suggest is that you slow down and concentrate on your fingers.


> Typed the above before I noted the mbox file.  Thanks David.  New thread 
> when I find out whats wrong.
> 
> Take care, stat warm, dry and well.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.


Same to you.  :-)


David

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#265932 — Re: Thunderbird filters

On 1/14/24 04:58, David Christensen wrote:
> find . -xdev -iname '*filter*'
gene@coyote:/etc$ sudo find . -xdev -iname '*filter*'
[sudo] password for gene:
./libreoffice/registry/graphicfilter.xcd
./libreoffice/registry/xsltfilter.xcd
./fonts/conf.d/11-lcdfilter-default.conf
./xdg/kshorturifilterrc
./alternatives/bogofilter
./bogofilter.cf
./apache2/mods-enabled/filter.load
./apache2/mods-available/filter.load
./apache2/mods-available/ext_filter.load
./modules-load.d/cups-filters.conf
gene@coyote:/etc$
I don't see anything thunderbird there. I have some macular degeneration 
but wouldn't call myself blind, yet...

Thanks David.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#265934 — Re: Thunderbird filters

Gene,

Am 14.01.2024 um 16:56 schrieb gene heskett:
> On 1/14/24 04:58, David Christensen wrote:
>> find . -xdev -iname '*filter*'
> gene@coyote:/etc$ sudo find . -xdev -iname '*filter*'

why sudo, and why in /etc ?

Cheers,

Arno

-- 
Arno Lehmann

IT-Service Lehmann
Sandstr. 6, 49080 Osnabrück

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#265953 — Re: Thunderbird filters

On 1/14/24 11:10, Arno Lehmann wrote:
> Gene,
> 
> Am 14.01.2024 um 16:56 schrieb gene heskett:
>> On 1/14/24 04:58, David Christensen wrote:
>>> find . -xdev -iname '*filter*'
>> gene@coyote:/etc$ sudo find . -xdev -iname '*filter*'
> 
> why sudo, and why in /etc ?
/etc only because I was there and sudo to get around a whole passel of 
no permissons.
I thought find was global. Its not? My mistake then.
Thanks Arno

> Cheers,
> 
> Arno
> 

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#265956 — Re: Thunderbird filters

On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 05:00:09PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> On 1/14/24 11:10, Arno Lehmann wrote:
> > Gene,
> > 
> > Am 14.01.2024 um 16:56 schrieb gene heskett:
> > > On 1/14/24 04:58, David Christensen wrote:
> > > > find . -xdev -iname '*filter*'
> > > gene@coyote:/etc$ sudo find . -xdev -iname '*filter*'
> > 
> > why sudo, and why in /etc ?
> /etc only because I was there and sudo to get around a whole passel of no
> permissons.
> I thought find was global. Its not? My mistake then.

The arguments after find which don't begin with "-" are the starting
point(s).  In this case, your command asks find to start in "." which
is the current directory.

If you were to run something like

    find /tmp /var -iname '*.log'

then it would look for pathnames ending with .log (case-insensitive)
starting in /tmp and /var.

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#265967 — Re: Thunderbird filters

On 1/14/24 17:27, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 05:00:09PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
>> On 1/14/24 11:10, Arno Lehmann wrote:
>>> Gene,
>>>
>>> Am 14.01.2024 um 16:56 schrieb gene heskett:
>>>> On 1/14/24 04:58, David Christensen wrote:
>>>>> find . -xdev -iname '*filter*'
>>>> gene@coyote:/etc$ sudo find . -xdev -iname '*filter*'
>>>
>>> why sudo, and why in /etc ?
>> /etc only because I was there and sudo to get around a whole passel of no
>> permissons.
>> I thought find was global. Its not? My mistake then.
> 
> The arguments after find which don't begin with "-" are the starting
> point(s).  In this case, your command asks find to start in "." which
> is the current directory.
> 
> If you were to run something like
> 
>      find /tmp /var -iname '*.log'
> 
> then it would look for pathnames ending with .log (case-insensitive)
> starting in /tmp and /var.
> 
> .
I see. I grew into linux 26 years ago, using locate but you have to 
updatedb first if you want the current state. I should use find more 
often, its realtime.

Thanks Greg.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#265962 — Re: Thunderbird filters

Am 14.01.2024 um 23:00 schrieb gene heskett:
> On 1/14/24 11:10, Arno Lehmann wrote:
>> Gene,
>>
>> Am 14.01.2024 um 16:56 schrieb gene heskett:
>>> On 1/14/24 04:58, David Christensen wrote:
>>>> find . -xdev -iname '*filter*'
>>> gene@coyote:/etc$ sudo find . -xdev -iname '*filter*'
>>
>> why sudo, and why in /etc ?
> /etc only because I was there and sudo to get around a whole passel of 
> no permissons.
> I thought find was global. Its not? My mistake then.

It might be helpful if you either started doing exactly what gets 
proposed, and not something else based upon assumptions.

Even better, try to *understand* what you type. The find program, for 
example, has a decent manual page, and it's a very old unix tool, and 
thus should be covered in any tutorial, manual, or introduction 
textbook. I guess today you'll even find youtube videos.

Anyway, it seems you already decided your mails are gone, so it's 
pointless investigating further.

Perhaps it would be useful to remove all existing filters, if they tend 
to delete all your mails. I would even propose to configure yll your 
mail accounts to avoid removing mails from servers, and probably even 
see if you can make the mail servers read-only. After all, nearly every 
program you use seems to insist on deleting your data or at least 
breaking your software, if not your hardware.

Cheers,

Arno

> Thanks Arno
> 
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Arno
>>
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.

-- 
Arno Lehmann

IT-Service Lehmann
Sandstr. 6, 49080 Osnabrück

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#265973 — Re: Thunderbird filters

On 1/14/24 07:56, gene heskett wrote:
> On 1/14/24 04:58, David Christensen wrote:
>> find . -xdev -iname '*filter*'
> gene@coyote:/etc$ sudo find . -xdev -iname '*filter*'
> [sudo] password for gene:
> ./libreoffice/registry/graphicfilter.xcd
> ./libreoffice/registry/xsltfilter.xcd
> ./fonts/conf.d/11-lcdfilter-default.conf
> ./xdg/kshorturifilterrc
> ./alternatives/bogofilter
> ./bogofilter.cf
> ./apache2/mods-enabled/filter.load
> ./apache2/mods-available/filter.load
> ./apache2/mods-available/ext_filter.load
> ./modules-load.d/cups-filters.conf
> gene@coyote:/etc$
> I don't see anything thunderbird there. I have some macular degeneration 
> but wouldn't call myself blind, yet...
> 
> Thanks David.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.


On 1/14/24 08:09, Arno Lehmann wrote:
 > why sudo, and why in /etc ?


On 1/14/24 14:00, gene heskett wrote:
 > I thought find was global. Its not? My mistake then.


You need to tell find(1) where to start searching via the 
"starting-point" argument  This incantation makes it explicit that 
find(1) should search the ".thunderbird" subdirectory in your home 
directory:

2024-01-14 16:56:50 dpchrist@laalaa ~
$ find $HOME/.thunderbird -iname '*filter*'
/home/dpchrist/.thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/msgFilterRules.dat
/home/dpchrist/.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-3.net/msgFilterRules.dat
/home/dpchrist/.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-2.net/msgFilterRules.dat
/home/dpchrist/.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat
/home/dpchrist/.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat



Once you have found the files, you can look inside for the bug.


David

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#265989 — Re: Thunderbird filters

On 15/01/2024 08:25, David Christensen wrote:
> /home/dpchrist/.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-3.net/msgFilterRules.dat
> /home/dpchrist/.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-2.net/msgFilterRules.dat
> /home/dpchrist/.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat
> /home/dpchrist/.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat

These set of directories might mean that thunderbird had issues with the 
november.he.net account and only one from this set contains actual data, 
others might be almost garbage consuming disk space due to stale offline 
message cache. I am unsure concerning profile directory structure if 
multiple accounts are created for different users on the same server.

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#266009 — Re: Thunderbird filters

On 1/15/24 06:08, Max Nikulin wrote:
> On 15/01/2024 08:25, David Christensen wrote:
>> /home/dpchrist/.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-3.net/msgFilterRules.dat
>> /home/dpchrist/.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-2.net/msgFilterRules.dat
>> /home/dpchrist/.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat
>> /home/dpchrist/.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat
> 
> These set of directories might mean that thunderbird had issues with the 
> november.he.net account and only one from this set contains actual data, 
> others might be almost garbage consuming disk space due to stale offline 
> message cache. I am unsure concerning profile directory structure if 
> multiple accounts are created for different users on the same server.


Today, I exited Thunderbird, reviewed all of the message filter data 
files, combined all of the code into one file, and removed the other files:

2024-01-15 12:50:13 dpchrist@laalaa ~
$ ll -1 .thunderbird/dpchrist/*/*/msgFilterRules.dat
-rw-r--r-- 1 dpchrist dpchrist 1011 2024-01-15 12:43:39 
.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat

2024-01-15 12:50:51 dpchrist@laalaa ~
$ cat .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat
version="9"
logging="no"
name="nuke"
enabled="yes"
type="17"
action="Move to folder"
actionValue="imap://dpchrist%40holgerdanske.com@november.he.net/nuke"
action="Stop execution"
condition="OR (from,contains,@domain.name) OR 
(from,contains,user@domain.name2)"
name="Inbox-copy"
enabled="yes"
type="17"
action="Copy to folder"
actionValue="imap://dpchrist%40holgerdanske.com@november.he.net/Inbox-copy"
condition="ALL"


The first filter looks for messages from specific domains or from 
specific users.  Matching messages are moved to the IMAP folder "nuke" 
and no more filters are applied to that message.


The second filter copies all other incoming messages to the IMAP folder 
"Inbox-copy".  This provides me with a backup of my incoming messages.


(My outgoing messages are backed up to another e-mail account via Edit 
-> Account Settings -> dpchrist@holgerdanske.com -> Copies & Folders -> 
When sending messages, automatically -> Bcc these email addresses -> 
redacted.user@redacted.domain.name.)


Using Thunderbird -> Tools -> Message Filters -> Filters for -> 
dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, I see a filter "SpamAssassinYes" and then the 
two filters defined above.


When I close the Message Filters dialog and exit Thunderbird, I see:

2024-01-15 12:57:23 dpchrist@laalaa ~
$ ll -1 .thunderbird/dpchrist/*/*/msgFilterRules.dat
-rw-r--r-- 1 dpchrist dpchrist   25 2024-01-15 12:50:34 
.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat
-rw-r--r-- 1 dpchrist dpchrist 1011 2024-01-15 13:07:32 
.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat
-rw-r--r-- 1 dpchrist dpchrist   25 2024-01-15 12:50:36 
'.thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/msgFilterRules.dat'


Two new files have appeared:

2024-01-15 13:07:39 dpchrist@laalaa ~
$ cat .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat
version="9"
logging="no"

2024-01-15 13:08:20 dpchrist@laalaa ~
$ cat '.thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/msgFilterRules.dat'
version="9"
logging="no"


David

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#266031 — Re: Thunderbird filters

On 16/01/2024 04:19, David Christensen wrote:
> $ ll -1 .thunderbird/dpchrist/*/*/msgFilterRules.dat
> -rw-r--r-- 1 dpchrist dpchrist   25 2024-01-15 12:50:34 
> .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat
> -rw-r--r-- 1 dpchrist dpchrist 1011 2024-01-15 13:07:32 
> .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat

I have realized that I may be wrong. I confused november.he-3.net and 
november.he.net-3. Perhaps november.he-1.net was obtained from your 
email using an autoconfiguration protocol. However I am still surprised 
that 2 ImapMail directories have been updated.

If you are interested in going deeper, I would check modification time 
of various files under  november.he*.net and would had a look into 
.thunderbird/dpchrist/prefs.js. Currently used dirs are like 
mail.server.server1.directory (with various numbers).

There are some open bugs related to changing server name, e.g.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1483485
however I am unsure that any of them may be relevant to your configuration.

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#266036 — Re: Thunderbird filters

On 1/15/24 18:32, Max Nikulin wrote:
> On 16/01/2024 04:19, David Christensen wrote:
>> $ ll -1 .thunderbird/dpchrist/*/*/msgFilterRules.dat
>> -rw-r--r-- 1 dpchrist dpchrist   25 2024-01-15 12:50:34 
>> .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat
>> -rw-r--r-- 1 dpchrist dpchrist 1011 2024-01-15 13:07:32 
>> .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat
> 
> I have realized that I may be wrong. I confused november.he-3.net and 
> november.he.net-3. Perhaps november.he-1.net was obtained from your 
> email using an autoconfiguration protocol. However I am still surprised 
> that 2 ImapMail directories have been updated.
> 
> If you are interested in going deeper, I would check modification time 
> of various files under  november.he*.net and would had a look into 
> .thunderbird/dpchrist/prefs.js. Currently used dirs are like 
> mail.server.server1.directory (with various numbers).
> 
> There are some open bugs related to changing server name, e.g.
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1483485
> however I am unsure that any of them may be relevant to your configuration.


My Debian, Thunderbird, and message filters are working very well.  :-)


One complaint is that Mozilla included whitespace in file and directory 
names, which we all know causes grief when using the shell:

2024-01-15 21:33:56 dpchrist@laalaa ~
$ find .thunderbird/dpchrist/ -name '* *' | grep -v dpchrist-
.thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders
.thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/Unsent Messages.msf
.thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/Unsent Messages
.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/Deleted Messages.msf
.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/Sent Messages.msf
.thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/Junk E-mail.msf


David

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#266074 — Re: Thunderbird filters

On 16/01/2024 12:36, David Christensen wrote:
> My Debian, Thunderbird, and message filters are working very well.  :-)

My experience is that enough garbage appears in thunderbird profiles 
after several years of usage. Unsubscribed NNTP groups, IMAP caches that 
thunderbird considered corrupted, so another one with -1 suffix appear, 
server-side changes of folder name encodings, etc.

> One complaint is that Mozilla included whitespace in file and directory 
> names, which we all know causes grief when using the shell:
> 
> .thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders

While thunderbird is not running, you may try to rename the profile 
inside prefs.js and the directory on the disk. I have no idea if global 
search index will be affected by such rename.

> .thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/Unsent Messages.msf
> .thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/Unsent Messages

It should be possible to use another folder for this purpose.

> .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/Deleted Messages.msf

Thunderbird may use another folder. Perhaps server might insist that 
such name must exist. It should be possible to unsubscribe from this 
folder, but I would not call it a bullet-proof solution.

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#265933 — Re: Thunderbird filters

On Sun 14 Jan 2024 at 01:57:59 (-0800), David Christensen wrote:
> On 1/12/24 18:17, gene heskett wrote:
> > On 1/12/24 15:58, David Christensen wrote:

> > > Searching for the Thunderbird message filter configuration
> > > files on my computer:
> > > 
> > > 2024-01-12 12:31:57 dpchrist@taz ~
> > > $ find .thunderbird/dpchrist -iname '*filter*'
> > > .thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/msgFilterRules.dat
> > > .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat
> > > .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat

Did you choose those (appropriate-looking) names?

> > I have no such directory structure where subbing my id for
> > dpchrist might hide:
> > gene@coyote:~/.thunderbird$ ls
> > 'Crash Reports'   f37v8icg.default-default   installs.ini
> > 'Pending Pings'   profiles.ini   twpgj5qd.default
> 
> Use find(1) instead of ls(1):
> 
> $ find . -xdev -iname '*filter*'

Random website:

  Create Filter Rules in Mozilla Thunderbird

  Let’s go over the steps you need to follow to create Thunderbird rules that move messages from a specific sender to a folder:

    Launch Mozilla Thunderbird.
    Open the Tools menu and choose Message Filters.
    Click New to create a new filter.
    Give the filter a suitable name.

… or an unsuitable one?

> > However, I do have in my home dir, an mbox file dated the 7th:
> > Which may result in a clue about my raid10, its msgs from SMARTCTL
> > running as root to me I've never rx'd containing warnings about
> > /dev/sde which is part of that raid10 that is the systems /home
> > directory.
> > So I'll take a break here and go investigate that.
> > 
> > It does lead to another question, how do I incorporate that into
> > tbird so I get important status msgs from root?.

Add the filename to your list of incoming mailboxes. That should
notify you whenever something comes in to any of them.

> > How ever t-bird has so many hot keys that pop up some config page
> > as I'm typing what looks like a legit sentence that I may have
> > commanded something by continuing to type after the popup shows up
> > as it steals the focus when it does. I wish there was some way to
> > disable that crap until I actually want to do some config stuff.
> 
> Edit -> Settings does not seem to offer a way to turn off hot keys
> (?). All I can suggest is that you slow down and concentrate on your
> fingers.

It's difficult to prevent accidentally executing commands, but
you can prevent their altering your configuration by making
the latter readonly. Myself, I use that trick with mc, so that
it always starts in the same state, and any configuration changes
I do make (sorting, backup/hidden file visibility, etc) are
temporary and local, only lasting till I quit that instance.

Cheers,
David.

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#265954 — Re: Thunderbird filters

On 1/14/24 11:13, David Wright wrote:
> On Sun 14 Jan 2024 at 01:57:59 (-0800), David Christensen wrote:
>> On 1/12/24 18:17, gene heskett wrote:
>>> On 1/12/24 15:58, David Christensen wrote:
> 
>>>> Searching for the Thunderbird message filter configuration
>>>> files on my computer:
>>>>
>>>> 2024-01-12 12:31:57 dpchrist@taz ~
>>>> $ find .thunderbird/dpchrist -iname '*filter*'
>>>> .thunderbird/dpchrist/Mail/Local Folders/msgFilterRules.dat
>>>> .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he-1.net/msgFilterRules.dat
>>>> .thunderbird/dpchrist/ImapMail/november.he.net/msgFilterRules.dat
> 
> Did you choose those (appropriate-looking) names?
> 
that was the other David example, not mine.
>>> I have no such directory structure where subbing my id for
>>> dpchrist might hide:
>>> gene@coyote:~/.thunderbird$ ls
>>> 'Crash Reports'   f37v8icg.default-default   installs.ini
>>> 'Pending Pings'   profiles.ini   twpgj5qd.default
>>
>> Use find(1) instead of ls(1):
>>
>> $ find . -xdev -iname '*filter*'
> 
> Random website:
> 
>    Create Filter Rules in Mozilla Thunderbird
> 
>    Let’s go over the steps you need to follow to create Thunderbird rules that move messages from a specific sender to a folder:
Most of the "filters" I use (and there are well over a 100 of them) are 
based on the src of the mailing list they go into, and were first made 
by using a list mail as the filter key, move to such and such local 
directory.  As to where those filters are stored, I have not found them.
> 
>      Launch Mozilla Thunderbird.
>      Open the Tools menu and choose Message Filters.
>      Click New to create a new filter.
>      Give the filter a suitable name.
> 
> … or an unsuitable one?
> 
>>> However, I do have in my home dir, an mbox file dated the 7th:
>>> Which may result in a clue about my raid10, its msgs from SMARTCTL
>>> running as root to me I've never rx'd containing warnings about
>>> /dev/sde which is part of that raid10 that is the systems /home
>>> directory.
>>> So I'll take a break here and go investigate that.
>>>
>>> It does lead to another question, how do I incorporate that into
>>> tbird so I get important status msgs from root?.
> 
> Add the filename to your list of incoming mailboxes. That should
> notify you whenever something comes in to any of them.
> 
>>> How ever t-bird has so many hot keys that pop up some config page
>>> as I'm typing what looks like a legit sentence that I may have
>>> commanded something by continuing to type after the popup shows up
>>> as it steals the focus when it does. I wish there was some way to
>>> disable that crap until I actually want to do some config stuff.
>>
>> Edit -> Settings does not seem to offer a way to turn off hot keys
>> (?). All I can suggest is that you slow down and concentrate on your
>> fingers.
> 
> It's difficult to prevent accidentally executing commands, but
> you can prevent their altering your configuration by making
> the latter readonly. Myself, I use that trick with mc, so that
> it always starts in the same state, and any configuration changes
> I do make (sorting, backup/hidden file visibility, etc) are
> temporary and local, only lasting till I quit that instance.
> 
> Cheers,
> David.
> 
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#265958 — Re: Thunderbird filters

gene heskett composed on 2024-01-14 17:11 (UTC-0500):

> David Wright wrote:

>>    Let’s go over the steps you need to follow to create Thunderbird rules that move messages from a specific sender to a folder:

> Most of the "filters" I use (and there are well over a 100 of them) are 
> based on the src of the mailing list they go into, and were first made 
> by using a list mail as the filter key, move to such and such local 
> directory.  as to where those filters are stored, I have not found them.

Most likely the location is the same as in SeaMonkey, where there is one filter
file per account, which is by default, thus:

/home/username/.mozilla/profilename<salt>/Mail/smtp-name/msgFilterRules.dat

I believe in TB the default may be:

/home/username/.thunderbird/profilename<salt>/Mail/smtp-name/msgFilterRules.dat

Mozilla profiles located in other locations are supported. They need not be
anywhere in /home/ if properly configured and permissioned.
-- 
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	based on faith, not based on science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

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