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| Started by | Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> |
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| First post | 2023-12-20 14:00 +0100 |
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lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 14:00 +0100
Re: lists Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-20 14:10 +0100
Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 14:40 +0100
Re: lists Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-20 14:50 +0100
Re: lists <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-20 14:50 +0100
Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 16:10 +0100
Re: lists Christoph Brinkhaus <c.brinkhaus@t-online.de> - 2023-12-20 16:20 +0100
Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 16:20 +0100
Re: lists Christoph Brinkhaus <c.brinkhaus@t-online.de> - 2023-12-20 16:30 +0100
Re: lists Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2023-12-20 16:50 +0100
Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 16:30 +0100
Re: lists Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-12-20 16:40 +0100
Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 16:50 +0100
Re: lists Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-20 17:00 +0100
Re: lists Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-12-20 17:00 +0100
Re: lists "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2023-12-20 17:30 +0100
Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 17:40 +0100
Re: lists Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-20 17:00 +0100
Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 17:10 +0100
Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 17:20 +0100
Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 17:20 +0100
Re: lists <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-20 17:30 +0100
Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 17:40 +0100
Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 17:40 +0100
Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 17:50 +0100
Re: lists <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-20 17:50 +0100
Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 17:50 +0100
Re: lists Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-20 18:00 +0100
Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 18:10 +0100
Re: lists Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2023-12-20 19:30 +0100
Re: lists Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-20 17:50 +0100
Re: lists Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-20 17:40 +0100
Re: lists <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-20 17:50 +0100
Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 18:10 +0100
Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 17:50 +0100
Re: lists Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2023-12-20 19:30 +0100
Re: lists Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-20 17:40 +0100
Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 17:40 +0100
Re: lists Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2023-12-20 17:00 +0100
Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 17:20 +0100
Re: lists <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-20 17:30 +0100
Re: lists Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2023-12-20 17:50 +0100
Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 18:00 +0100
Re: lists Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2023-12-20 18:00 +0100
Re: lists gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-20 18:00 +0100
Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 18:10 +0100
Re: lists Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-12-20 19:20 +0100
Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 19:30 +0100
Re: lists Hanno 'Rince' Wagner <wagner@debian.org> - 2023-12-20 19:50 +0100
Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 20:10 +0100
Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 20:20 +0100
Re: lists Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-12-20 21:00 +0100
Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 21:10 +0100
Re: lists Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-20 21:30 +0100
Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-20 21:50 +0100
Re: lists gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-21 00:00 +0100
Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 00:20 +0100
Re: lists John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-12-21 00:50 +0100
Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 01:00 +0100
Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-12-21 11:40 +0100
Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 11:50 +0100
Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-21 12:40 +0100
Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 13:40 +0100
Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Byung-Hee HWANG <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> - 2023-12-21 14:20 +0100
Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-21 14:50 +0100
Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 15:00 +0100
Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-12-21 15:10 +0100
Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Hanno 'Rince' Wagner <wagner@debian.org> - 2023-12-21 15:20 +0100
Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 15:30 +0100
Re: lists gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-20 23:40 +0100
Re: lists Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 00:00 +0100
Re: lists Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2023-12-21 00:10 +0100
Re: wireless broadband providers exist (was: lists) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2023-12-21 01:50 +0100
Re: wireless broadband providers exist The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2023-12-21 01:50 +0100
Re: wireless broadband providers exist Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 02:10 +0100
Re: wireless broadband providers exist Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-12-21 02:50 +0100
Re: wireless broadband providers exist Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 03:30 +0100
Re: wireless broadband providers exist John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-12-21 05:30 +0100
Re: wireless broadband providers exist John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-12-21 05:20 +0100
Re: wireless broadband providers exist Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 02:00 +0100
Re: wireless broadband providers exist Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2023-12-21 02:30 +0100
Re: wireless broadband providers exist Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> - 2023-12-21 02:40 +0100
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| From | Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-21 11:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] |
| Message-ID | <HNoMO-f4n6-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #265059 |
Sent from my iPad > On Dec 21, 2023, at 5:37 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater <amacater@einval.com> wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 06:57:50PM -0500, Pocket wrote: >> > > Could we please stop the thread now? You appear to be talking past each > other at this point. Various suggestions as to the nature of the problem > and possible solutions have been put forward - it is absolutely for you > to choose whatever you wish to do but can we please end the discussion now. > > The aim in this list is to be constructive and helpful - sometimes lengthy > threads wear that thin. > > Andy > Maybe I should not post at all? I have spoken
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| From | Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> |
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| Date | 2023-12-21 12:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] |
| Message-ID | <HNpzb-f4Sn-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #265061 |
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 05:44:23AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > Maybe I should not post at all? Unless you are able to do better at it, that is a solution that I for one am in favour of. Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
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| From | Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-21 13:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] |
| Message-ID | <HNqvf-f5rz-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #265062 |
On 12/21/23 06:32, Andy Smith wrote: > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 05:44:23AM -0500, Pocket wrote: >> Maybe I should not post at all? > Unless you are able to do better at it, that is a solution that I > for one am in favour of. > > Andy So I see that I am not welcome here. Ok fine, I will take my leave and move on to another distro, since the folks here seem top be quite hostile. My intention was to meld the raspios to debian to bring debian to be able to run better on the raspberry pi platform. I use just starting to learn how to package software under debian, now it seems that I would be foolish to waste time doing that. I will remove debian from my amd64 system and replace it with ArchLinux and return to developing my custom OS for the raspberry pi platform. I don't want to waste any more time here. BTW: What is your official capacity for debian? -- Hindi madali ang maging ako
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| From | Byung-Hee HWANG <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> |
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| Date | 2023-12-21 14:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] |
| Message-ID | <HNr7X-f5UQ-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #265067 |
On Thu, 2023-12-21 at 07:35 -0500, Pocket wrote: > > On 12/21/23 06:32, Andy Smith wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 05:44:23AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > > > Maybe I should not post at all? > > Unless you are able to do better at it, that is a solution that I > > for one am in favour of. > > > > Andy > > > So I see that I am not welcome here. > Hellow Pocket, Gmane is good to reading emails of mailing lists like as debian-user@l.d.o. Also if you want to post someting, you can do that via Gmane. For now i am reading emails by Gmane (Gnome Evolution). And i am writing in Gmane (Gnome Evolution). If you use Gmane, actually you will be free from SMTP issues. And Welcome to the Debian INDEED ^^^ Sincerely, Byung-Hee from South Korea -- ^고맙습니다 _布德天下_ 감사합니다_^))//
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| From | Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> |
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| Date | 2023-12-21 14:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] |
| Message-ID | <HNrAZ-f64t-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #265067 |
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 07:35:44AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > On 12/21/23 06:32, Andy Smith wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 05:44:23AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > > > Maybe I should not post at all? > > Unless you are able to do better at it, that is a solution that I > > for one am in favour of. > > So I see that I am not welcome here. You refuse to do better - got it. Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
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| From | Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-21 15:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] |
| Message-ID | <HNrKF-f67R-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #265074 |
On 12/21/23 08:49, Andy Smith wrote: > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 07:35:44AM -0500, Pocket wrote: >> On 12/21/23 06:32, Andy Smith wrote: >>> On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 05:44:23AM -0500, Pocket wrote: >>>> Maybe I should not post at all? >>> Unless you are able to do better at it, that is a solution that I >>> for one am in favour of. >> So I see that I am not welcome here. > You refuse to do better - got it. > > Andy > I see you didn't answer my question, That is not surprising. What is your official capacity for debian? Are you the moderator here? Are you the mailing list cops? -- Hindi madali ang maging ako
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| From | Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> |
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| Date | 2023-12-21 15:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] |
| Message-ID | <HNrUl-f6ql-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #265075 |
Hello all, I did see the request from Andy Cater to bring this thread to a close so I am only going to answer the below questions off-list and do my part to not prolong this. Hopefully you didn't feel that you missed anything. 😀 Thanks, Andy On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 08:58:28AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > > On 12/21/23 08:49, Andy Smith wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 07:35:44AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > > > On 12/21/23 06:32, Andy Smith wrote: > > > > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 05:44:23AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > > > > > Maybe I should not post at all? > > > > Unless you are able to do better at it, that is a solution that I > > > > for one am in favour of. > > > So I see that I am not welcome here. > > You refuse to do better - got it. > > > > Andy > > > > I see you didn't answer my question, That is not surprising. > > > > What is your official capacity for debian? > > > Are you the moderator here? > > > Are you the mailing list cops? > > -- > Hindi madali ang maging ako
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| From | Hanno 'Rince' Wagner <wagner@debian.org> |
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| Date | 2023-12-21 15:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] |
| Message-ID | <HNs41-f6tl-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #265075 |
Hi Pocket, On Thu, 21 Dec 2023, Pocket wrote: > What is your official capacity for debian? This is the mailinglist debian-user, where User help User with their problems. Mainly Desktop-related some server-related. but this is a user (in the sense of consumer, not developer) list. so most people writing and reading here are just like you - User of the Linux-Distribution. best regards, Hanno Wagner -- | Hanno Wagner | Member of the HTML Writers Guild | Rince@IRC | | Eine gewerbliche Nutzung meiner Email-Adressen ist nicht gestattet! | | 74 a3 53 cc 0b 19 - we did it! | Generation @ | Fachbegriffe der Informatik : Shockwave Flash -> Augenkrebs Felix von Leitner
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| From | Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-21 15:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] |
| Message-ID | <HNsdH-f6wJ-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #265078 |
On 12/21/23 09:10, Hanno 'Rince' Wagner wrote: > Hi Pocket, > > On Thu, 21 Dec 2023, Pocket wrote: > >> What is your official capacity for debian? > This is the mailinglist debian-user, where User help User with their > problems. Mainly Desktop-related some server-related. but this is a > user (in the sense of consumer, not developer) list. > > so most people writing and reading here are just like you - User of > the Linux-Distribution. Actually I develop custom GNU/Linux OS on the Raspberry Pi platform. my work is on the internet in a github type public repository. I had a thought that I would move to debian and help debian support the Raspberry pi platform better , but it seems I have been grossly mistaken in that belief. I moved my amd64 system to debian and it appears that was a mistake. I will be correcting that miss step after Christmas and changing/rebuilding my cross compiler to use Archlinux instead of debian. -- Hindi madali ang maging ako
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| From | gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2023-12-20 23:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <HNdol-eXgs-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #265015 |
On 12/20/23 12:05, Pocket wrote: > > On 12/20/23 11:51, gene heskett wrote: >> On 12/20/23 08:30, Pocket wrote: >>> >>> On 12/20/23 07:59, Andy Smith wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 07:38:49AM -0500, Pocket wrote: >>>>> which pocket@columbus.rr.com >>>> Not sure what you're trying to achieve but these administrative >>>> commands should go to the mailing list software at >>>> <majordomo@lists.debian.org>, not to debian-user@, which is the list >>>> itself and its thousands of subscribers. >>>> >>>> (A pity the list software does not automatically hold mails with >>>> administrative commands in them, like Mailman does.) >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Andy >>>> >>> >>> Every 60 days I get kicked from this list which I receive an email >>> stating my kick value is 2%. >>> >>> I then try to see if I am subscribed by the web and sending emails to >>> the >>> >>> majordomo@lists.debian.org which fails, >>> >>> trying to subscribe from the web gets me gateway errors. >>> >>> >>> . >> I get those too, but a little more often, but you may be miss-readiing >> the message. What I get says the kick score is 2%, but you've got to >> hit 80% to get autokicked. > > > I was kicked at 2% > > >> >> Have you look at the link to the message? Here its never been a legit >> msg, always spam or phishing that should have been rejected by the >> list server at debian. So unless some black hat blasts a phishing >> expedition through the server and your ISP rejects that crap >> wholesale, which they should, your kick score will stay at 2% which is >> well below the kick trigger. I've got to the point where I look at >> the kick score and if 2%, delete it. >> Cheers, Gene Heskett. > > > I made a pdf of the email from the link in the bounce message, for > the "record" > > > If I get one bounce email I am banned, I will never get to even 10% as > 2% and I am gone. That may be a side effect that your provider should address, or as suggested by others, change providers. I got tired of verizon not having the resources to modernize their system of 70 yo buried cable and bailed to the local cable co for net and phone about 15 years back. This is a small WV county seat town, around 6000 at the last census, It has at least 3, including spectrum, who rent facilities from the bigger guys, so I went with the cable folks to get a little closer to the techs who make it work. In the past 15 years I didn't have net or phone for 3 days after a 122 mph direcho came thru in 2020, destroying the power grid over a 100 yard wide path about 10 miles long. I also have a 20 kw generac in the back yard, installed previously because my now deceased wife had COPD. So I had power and had drop cords powering the neighbors fridges. I had phone and net about 20 minutes after power was restored and their batteries were partially recharged. Locally, mention spectrum and get unflattering 4 letter descriptions of their service. Surely you can find another vendor of ISP services, being aware that you usually get what you pay for. Here, as in most service related fields, the keyword is TANSTAAFL. Sometimes the PUC in your locale can be helpful. Good luck pocket. Take care, stay warm and well. > Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
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| From | Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-21 00:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <HNdHH-eXo6-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #265034 |
On 12/20/23 17:37, gene heskett wrote: > On 12/20/23 12:05, Pocket wrote: >> >> On 12/20/23 11:51, gene heskett wrote: >>> On 12/20/23 08:30, Pocket wrote: >>>> >>>> On 12/20/23 07:59, Andy Smith wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 07:38:49AM -0500, Pocket wrote: >>>>>> which pocket@columbus.rr.com >>>>> Not sure what you're trying to achieve but these administrative >>>>> commands should go to the mailing list software at >>>>> <majordomo@lists.debian.org>, not to debian-user@, which is the list >>>>> itself and its thousands of subscribers. >>>>> >>>>> (A pity the list software does not automatically hold mails with >>>>> administrative commands in them, like Mailman does.) >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Andy >>>>> >>>> >>>> Every 60 days I get kicked from this list which I receive an email >>>> stating my kick value is 2%. >>>> >>>> I then try to see if I am subscribed by the web and sending emails >>>> to the >>>> >>>> majordomo@lists.debian.org which fails, >>>> >>>> trying to subscribe from the web gets me gateway errors. >>>> >>>> >>>> . >>> I get those too, but a little more often, but you may be >>> miss-readiing the message. What I get says the kick score is 2%, but >>> you've got to hit 80% to get autokicked. >> >> >> I was kicked at 2% >> >> >>> >>> Have you look at the link to the message? Here its never been a >>> legit msg, always spam or phishing that should have been rejected by >>> the list server at debian. So unless some black hat blasts a >>> phishing expedition through the server and your ISP rejects that >>> crap wholesale, which they should, your kick score will stay at 2% >>> which is well below the kick trigger. I've got to the point where I >>> look at the kick score and if 2%, delete it. >>> Cheers, Gene Heskett. >> >> >> I made a pdf of the email from the link in the bounce message, for >> the "record" >> >> >> If I get one bounce email I am banned, I will never get to even 10% >> as 2% and I am gone. > That may be a side effect that your provider should address, or as > suggested by others, change providers. I got tired of verizon not > having the resources to modernize their system of 70 yo buried cable > and bailed to the local cable co for net and phone about 15 years > back. This is a small WV county seat town, around 6000 at the last > census, It has at least 3, including spectrum, who rent facilities > from the bigger guys, so I went with the cable folks to get a little > closer to the techs who make it work. In the past 15 years I didn't > have net or phone for 3 days after a 122 mph direcho came thru in > 2020, destroying the power grid over a 100 yard wide path about 10 > miles long. I also have a 20 kw generac in the back yard, installed > previously because my now deceased wife had COPD. So I had power and > had drop cords powering the neighbors fridges. I had phone and net > about 20 minutes after power was restored and their batteries were > partially recharged. Locally, mention spectrum and get unflattering 4 > letter descriptions of their service. Surely you can find another > vendor of ISP services, being aware that you usually get what you pay > for. Here, as in most service related fields, the keyword is > TANSTAAFL. Sometimes the PUC in your locale can be helpful. > Good luck pocket. Take care, stay warm and well. >> > > Actually I can not change as the ISP has exclusive rights to the high speed internet in the area I reside in. No other providers are allowed. I have spoken -- Hindi madali ang maging ako
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| From | Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> |
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| Date | 2023-12-21 00:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <HNdRo-eXGw-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #265036 |
On 21/12/23 11:55, Pocket wrote: > > On 12/20/23 17:37, gene heskett wrote: >> On 12/20/23 12:05, Pocket wrote: >>> >>> On 12/20/23 11:51, gene heskett wrote: >>>> On 12/20/23 08:30, Pocket wrote: >>> If I get one bounce email I am banned, I will never get to even 10% >>> as 2% and I am gone. >> That may be a side effect that your provider should address, or as >> suggested by others, change providers. >> >> > Actually I can not change as the ISP has exclusive rights to the high > speed internet in the area I reside in. > > No other providers are allowed. You could use an email provider that is not your ISP. Richard
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| From | Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2023-12-21 01:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: wireless broadband providers exist (was: lists) |
| Message-ID | <HNfq9-eYrg-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #265036 |
Pocket composed on 2023-12-20 17:55 (UTC-0500): > Actually I can not change as the ISP has exclusive rights to the high > speed internet in the area I reside in. > > No other providers are allowed. That could be a historical concept, depending exactly on where you live. Some of us mericans who formerly had no access to real broadband except via prohibitively expensive, high latency satellite dish now have broadband provided wirelessly. All the big cablecos have been slowly rolling it out. The areas covered are limited, with limited overlap among providers. The targets so far have been mostly areas unserved by traditional cable, but there is overlap. Maybe you should check with T-Mobile: https://www.allconnect.com/local/oh/columbus -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
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| From | The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> |
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| Date | 2023-12-21 01:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: wireless broadband providers exist |
| Message-ID | <HNfq9-eYrg-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #265041 |
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On 2023-12-20 at 19:39, Felix Miata wrote: > Pocket composed on 2023-12-20 17:55 (UTC-0500): > >> Actually I can not change as the ISP has exclusive rights to the high >> speed internet in the area I reside in. >> >> No other providers are allowed. > > That could be a historical concept, depending exactly on where you live. Some of > us mericans who formerly had no access to real broadband except via prohibitively > expensive, high latency satellite dish now have broadband provided wirelessly. All > the big cablecos have been slowly rolling it out. The areas covered are limited, > with limited overlap among providers. The targets so far have been mostly areas > unserved by traditional cable, but there is overlap. Maybe you should check with > T-Mobile: > https://www.allconnect.com/local/oh/columbus It is my understanding that there are (or at least have been, and I know of no reason for this to have changed) some apartment buildings, et cetera, in which there is a provision of the tenancy agreement (or whatever else applies) requiring that Internet service be exclusively through the provider chosen by the management of the apartment building. (The question of motivations for doing this, on the part of both the management and the provider, I leave un-discussed for at least the time being.) If that is correct, and if Pocket resides in such an environment, then it is possible that even if wireless "high-speed" Internet access could in a technical sense work in that area it might be prohibited in a contractual sense. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw
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| From | Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-21 02:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: wireless broadband providers exist |
| Message-ID | <HNfJv-eYME-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #265042 |
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On 12/20/23 19:48, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2023-12-20 at 19:39, Felix Miata wrote: > >> Pocket composed on 2023-12-20 17:55 (UTC-0500): >> >>> Actually I can not change as the ISP has exclusive rights to the high >>> speed internet in the area I reside in. >>> >>> No other providers are allowed. >> That could be a historical concept, depending exactly on where you live. Some of >> us mericans who formerly had no access to real broadband except via prohibitively >> expensive, high latency satellite dish now have broadband provided wirelessly. All >> the big cablecos have been slowly rolling it out. The areas covered are limited, >> with limited overlap among providers. The targets so far have been mostly areas >> unserved by traditional cable, but there is overlap. Maybe you should check with >> T-Mobile: >> https://www.allconnect.com/local/oh/columbus > It is my understanding that there are (or at least have been, and I know > of no reason for this to have changed) some apartment buildings, et > cetera, in which there is a provision of the tenancy agreement (or > whatever else applies) requiring that Internet service be exclusively > through the provider chosen by the management of the apartment building. > > (The question of motivations for doing this, on the part of both the > management and the provider, I leave un-discussed for at least the time > being.) > > If that is correct, and if Pocket resides in such an environment, then > it is possible that even if wireless "high-speed" Internet access could > in a technical sense work in that area it might be prohibited in a > contractual sense. > You are exactly correct wireless "high-speed" Internet access is prohibited as stated in the agreement (made in the year 1995)between city council and time warner who was bought out by charter/spectrum This is the way -- Hindi madali ang maging ako
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| From | Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-21 02:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: wireless broadband providers exist |
| Message-ID | <HNgmd-eYYn-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #265044 |
On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 8:04 PM Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> wrote: > > > On 12/20/23 19:48, The Wanderer wrote: > > On 2023-12-20 at 19:39, Felix Miata wrote: > > Pocket composed on 2023-12-20 17:55 (UTC-0500): > > Actually I can not change as the ISP has exclusive rights to the high > speed internet in the area I reside in. > > No other providers are allowed. > > That could be a historical concept, depending exactly on where you live. Some of > us mericans who formerly had no access to real broadband except via prohibitively > expensive, high latency satellite dish now have broadband provided wirelessly. All > the big cablecos have been slowly rolling it out. The areas covered are limited, > with limited overlap among providers. The targets so far have been mostly areas > unserved by traditional cable, but there is overlap. Maybe you should check with > T-Mobile: > https://www.allconnect.com/local/oh/columbus > > It is my understanding that there are (or at least have been, and I know > of no reason for this to have changed) some apartment buildings, et > cetera, in which there is a provision of the tenancy agreement (or > whatever else applies) requiring that Internet service be exclusively > through the provider chosen by the management of the apartment building. > > (The question of motivations for doing this, on the part of both the > management and the provider, I leave un-discussed for at least the time > being.) > > If that is correct, and if Pocket resides in such an environment, then > it is possible that even if wireless "high-speed" Internet access could > in a technical sense work in that area it might be prohibited in a > contractual sense. > > You are exactly correct > > wireless "high-speed" Internet access is prohibited as stated in the agreement (made in the year 1995) between city council and time warner who was bought out by charter/spectrum This does not pass the sniff test (to me). Service providers are usually not allowed to enter into those types of agreements because it is anti-competitive for the consumer. I know the FCC forbids it between landlords and service providers in multi-tenant environments (MTEs). See <https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/consumer-faq-rules-service-providers-multiple-tenant-environments>. I would probably contact the FCC and see what their [the FTC] position is when a city attempts to grant a monopoly to a service provider. I also fail to see what a mail service provider has to do with your internet service provider. They are different services, and one should not affect the other. If you use Spectrum for internet access, then that's your business. It does not affect your decision to use Yahoo or Hotmail for your email service. Jeff
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| From | Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-21 03:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: wireless broadband providers exist |
| Message-ID | <HNgYV-eZqX-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #265047 |
On 12/20/23 20:45, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 8:04 PM Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> wrote: >> >> On 12/20/23 19:48, The Wanderer wrote: >> >> On 2023-12-20 at 19:39, Felix Miata wrote: >> >> Pocket composed on 2023-12-20 17:55 (UTC-0500): >> >> Actually I can not change as the ISP has exclusive rights to the high >> speed internet in the area I reside in. >> >> No other providers are allowed. >> >> That could be a historical concept, depending exactly on where you live. Some of >> us mericans who formerly had no access to real broadband except via prohibitively >> expensive, high latency satellite dish now have broadband provided wirelessly. All >> the big cablecos have been slowly rolling it out. The areas covered are limited, >> with limited overlap among providers. The targets so far have been mostly areas >> unserved by traditional cable, but there is overlap. Maybe you should check with >> T-Mobile: >> https://www.allconnect.com/local/oh/columbus >> >> It is my understanding that there are (or at least have been, and I know >> of no reason for this to have changed) some apartment buildings, et >> cetera, in which there is a provision of the tenancy agreement (or >> whatever else applies) requiring that Internet service be exclusively >> through the provider chosen by the management of the apartment building. >> >> (The question of motivations for doing this, on the part of both the >> management and the provider, I leave un-discussed for at least the time >> being.) >> >> If that is correct, and if Pocket resides in such an environment, then >> it is possible that even if wireless "high-speed" Internet access could >> in a technical sense work in that area it might be prohibited in a >> contractual sense. >> >> You are exactly correct >> >> wireless "high-speed" Internet access is prohibited as stated in the agreement (made in the year 1995) between city council and time warner who was bought out by charter/spectrum > This does not pass the sniff test (to me). Service providers are > usually not allowed to enter into those types of agreements because it > is anti-competitive for the consumer. I know the FCC forbids it > between landlords and service providers in multi-tenant environments > (MTEs). See <https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/consumer-faq-rules-service-providers-multiple-tenant-environments>. This is the entire city and outside area. What you posted is about buildings From your link.... Apartments, condominiums, and office buildings are homes and workplaces for millions of Americans. To promote competition and consumer choice, the FCC regulates access to telecommunications, cable, and broadband services in these "multiple tenant environments," or MTEs for short. These rules regulate the kinds of agreements service providers may enter into with landlords and prohibit certain anti-competitive arrangements. Additional rules recently went into effect that place new obligations and restrictions on service providers in MTEs. If you are tenant in an MTE, or own or manage one, check out the FAQ below, along with the overview of new FCC rules for MTEs, to gain a better understanding of how you may be affected. > > I would probably contact the FCC and see what their [the FTC] position > is when a city attempts to grant a monopoly to a service provider. Well it was 28 years ago > > I also fail to see what a mail service provider has to do with your > internet service provider. They are different services, and one should > not affect the other. If you use Spectrum for internet access, then > that's your business. It does not affect your decision to use Yahoo or > Hotmail for your email service. I didn't say it did I have spoken -- Hindi madali ang maging ako
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| From | John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-21 05:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: wireless broadband providers exist |
| Message-ID | <HNiR3-f0Be-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #265047 |
Jeff writes: > I would probably contact the FCC and see what their [the FTC] position > is when a city attempts to grant a monopoly to a service provider. Cities can decide who they allow to string cables over or under their streets. They can't regulate radio, though. > It does not affect your decision to use Yahoo or Hotmail for your > email service. Better to use a fee for service email provider such as Fastmail. -- John Hasler john@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-21 05:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: wireless broadband providers exist |
| Message-ID | <HNiHo-f0yq-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #265044 |
pocket writes: > wireless "high-speed" Internet access is prohibited as stated in the > agreement (made in the year 1995) between city council and time warner > who was bought out by charter/spectrum That's binding on the city government, not on you. In the USA the city can deny a wireless provider the use of any city-owned land, but they cannot regulate radio transmission or reception. That is the exclusive jurisdiction of the FCC. -- John Hasler john@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | Pocket <pocket@columbus.rr.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-21 02:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: wireless broadband providers exist |
| Message-ID | <HNfzP-eYue-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #265041 |
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On 12/20/23 19:39, Felix Miata wrote: > Pocket composed on 2023-12-20 17:55 (UTC-0500): > >> Actually I can not change as the ISP has exclusive rights to the high >> speed internet in the area I reside in. >> >> No other providers are allowed. > That could be a historical concept, depending exactly on where you live. Some of > us mericans who formerly had no access to real broadband except via prohibitively > expensive, high latency satellite dish now have broadband provided wirelessly. All > the big cablecos have been slowly rolling it out. The areas covered are limited, > with limited overlap among providers. The targets so far have been mostly areas > unserved by traditional cable, but there is overlap. Maybe you should check with > T-Mobile: > https://www.allconnect.com/local/oh/columbus I already have and the can not provide service This is the only provider available as per their site Spectrum <https://www.allconnect.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Spectrum_RA.png>Spectrum Internet Available speeds Contract length None Data caps None Plans starting at *$49.99/mo.* * * Should I go with spectrum? I have spoken -- Hindi madali ang maging ako
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