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  Mouse single click handling? local10 <local10@tutanota.com> - 2023-12-19 16:10 +0100
    Re: Mouse single click handling? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-12-19 16:30 +0100
    Re: Mouse single click handling? Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2023-12-19 16:40 +0100
      Re: Mouse single click handling? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-12-19 16:50 +0100
        Re: Mouse single click handling? Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2023-12-20 05:40 +0100
          Re: Mouse single click handling? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-12-20 06:00 +0100
            Re: Mouse single click handling? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-20 06:10 +0100
      Re: Mouse single click handling? local10 <local10@tutanota.com> - 2023-12-19 17:10 +0100
        Re: Mouse single click handling? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-19 17:40 +0100
          [SOLVED?] Re: Mouse single click handling? local10 <local10@tutanota.com> - 2023-12-21 11:50 +0100
        Re: Mouse single click handling? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-12-19 17:40 +0100
          Re: Mouse single click handling? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-19 17:40 +0100
            Re: Mouse single click handling? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2023-12-19 17:50 +0100
        Installing? Why debian? yxcv@vienna.at - 2023-12-19 17:50 +0100
        Re: Mouse single click handling? local10 <local10@tutanota.com> - 2023-12-19 18:00 +0100
        Re: Mouse single click handling? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2023-12-19 18:20 +0100
        Re: Mouse single click handling? Alexis Grigoriou <alexis@nanoid.net> - 2023-12-19 19:50 +0100
          Re: Mouse single click handling? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-19 19:50 +0100
          Re: Mouse single click handling? local10 <local10@tutanota.com> - 2023-12-19 21:50 +0100
            Re: Mouse single click handling? Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2023-12-20 16:00 +0100
              [SOLVED] Re: Mouse single click handling? local10 <local10@tutanota.com> - 2023-12-20 19:30 +0100
        Re: Mouse single click handling? Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2023-12-20 05:30 +0100
          Re: Mouse single click handling? "Jeremy Nicoll" <jn.ml.dbi.73@letterboxes.org> - 2023-12-20 20:40 +0100
            Re: Mouse single click handling? "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> - 2023-12-20 21:00 +0100
              Re: Mouse single click handling? songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2023-12-21 15:00 +0100
                Re: Mouse single click handling? "Jeremy Nicoll" <jn.ml.dbi.73@letterboxes.org> - 2023-12-22 16:40 +0100
                  worn off key labels songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2023-12-23 16:30 +0100
                  Re: Mouse single click handling? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2023-12-23 18:00 +0100
        Re: Mouse single click handling? Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2023-12-20 22:10 +0100
          Re: Mouse single click handling? "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> - 2023-12-20 23:10 +0100
      Re: Mouse single click handling? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-19 17:40 +0100
    Re: Mouse single click handling? "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2023-12-19 17:40 +0100
      Re: Mouse single click handling? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-12-19 17:50 +0100
        Re: Mouse single click handling? "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2023-12-19 18:10 +0100
      Re: Mouse single click handling? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2023-12-19 19:50 +0100
        Re: Mouse single click handling? Fred <fred@blakemfg.com> - 2023-12-20 02:10 +0100
          Re: Mouse single click handling? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2023-12-20 03:20 +0100
        OT: Pitfalls of online purchases (Was Re: Mouse single click  handling?) "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2023-12-20 08:50 +0100
          Re: OT: Pitfalls of online purchases (Was Re: Mouse single  clickhandling?) gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-20 12:30 +0100
        Re: Mouse single click handling? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-12-20 13:50 +0100
    Re: Mouse single click handling? gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-12-19 18:10 +0100
    Re: Mouse single click handling? Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-12-20 16:20 +0100
      Re: Mouse single click handling? Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-12-20 16:30 +0100
      Re: Mouse single click handling? local10 <local10@tutanota.com> - 2023-12-20 19:30 +0100

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#265020 — [SOLVED] Re: Mouse single click handling?

Dec 20, 2023, 14:57 by anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi:

> BTW, you might be able to use working switches from your other mice as
> spare parts if you want to fix one.
>

That's a good idea though I ended up doing what Tom had suggested: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/12/msg00950.html

The small boards (one on each side) on which the switches are located were a bit loose in their cradles and could move 1-2mm when under pressure. So I added a small piece of double-folded duct tape to make their placement in the cradles a bit more secure. That seems to have fixed the issue.

Regards,

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#264945

On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 17:01:46 +0100 (CET)
local10 <local10@tutanota.com> wrote:

> I've been replacing them, I have 4-5 mice like that, they all fail
> with the same defect after 6-12 months or so. So I thought perhaps
> there was a way to fix them instead of buying a new one every 6-12
> months.

I suggest you buy a different rodent. I bought three Logitech rodents
some years ago on sale for $10 each. All three still work quite well.

ID 046d:c517 Logitech, Inc. LX710 Cordless Desktop Laser

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#265026

On Wed, 20 Dec 2023, at 04:25, Charles Curley wrote:

> I suggest you buy a different rodent. I bought three Logitech rodents
> some years ago on sale for $10 each. All three still work quite well.

Until about a year ago my experience with Logitech mice had been
good.  Those that had died normally did so after falling off a desk,
which I don't really see as a manufacturing fault.

But since then several I've bought have all failed with the problem of
LMB sending double-clicks when pressed once.  That includes two 
separate "Pebble" mice.

I read through a LOT of reviews on amazon uk, for cheap & pricey
Logitech mice & discovered lots of people had similar experiences
- that recent products don't seem to have the quality that older 
ones had.

(In my case I need wireless optical mice, as they're often used running
on a bed sheet under a duvet, with the laptop on an overbed table.)    


For now I'm using an Anker vertical mouse, which has lasted longer
than the previous Logitech mice.  It too has fallen to the floor a few
times, but I have a theory that its odd body shape means that it 
tends to hit the floor then roll over (like a landing paratrooper)
which damages it less than traditionally shaped rodents).

As a side issue, the vertical form-factor - once I got used to it - 
has proved more comfortable for use when sitting up in bed,
using the mouse approx half-way between my bum & knee,
either on top of or underneath the duvet.

-- 
Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

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#265028

On 12/20/23 11:30 AM, Jeremy Nicoll wrote:
> Until about a year ago my experience with Logitech mice had been
> good.  Those that had died normally did so after falling off a desk,
> which I don't really see as a manufacturing fault.
> 
> But since then several I've bought have all failed with the problem of
> LMB sending double-clicks when pressed once.  That includes two
> separate "Pebble" mice.

I've also been sticking with Logitech mice for many years. Specifically, 
M100/B100/M110, &c.

But my brand-loyalty has been eroding, because they've been cheapening 
their product. In particular, it wasn't that long ago that, without 
changing the model number, or making any public announcement, they 
pulled support for PS/2 (and therefore for passive PS/2 adapters) from 
what had been, up until then, dual-mode mice. Not a major problem for 
Linux, running on current hardware, but a *very* major problem for me, 
because I also run DOS (IBM PC/DOS 2000, with no WinDoze whatsoever) on 
antique hardware.

Fortunately, I live and work near what can only be described as a 
computer junk shop, where finding antique hardware, some of it still 
new-in-box, is not terribly difficult.

But I can definitely confirm that Logitech is NOT making mice like they 
used to.

If only Unicomp made a mouse as good as their keyboards . . . .

--
James H. H. Lampert

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#265076

James H. H. Lampert wrote:
> On 12/20/23 11:30 AM, Jeremy Nicoll wrote:
>> Until about a year ago my experience with Logitech mice had been
>> good.  Those that had died normally did so after falling off a desk,
>> which I don't really see as a manufacturing fault.
>> 
>> But since then several I've bought have all failed with the problem of
>> LMB sending double-clicks when pressed once.  That includes two
>> separate "Pebble" mice.
>
> I've also been sticking with Logitech mice for many years. Specifically, 
> M100/B100/M110, &c.
>
> But my brand-loyalty has been eroding, because they've been cheapening 
> their product. In particular, it wasn't that long ago that, without 
> changing the model number, or making any public announcement, they 
> pulled support for PS/2 (and therefore for passive PS/2 adapters) from 
> what had been, up until then, dual-mode mice. Not a major problem for 
> Linux, running on current hardware, but a *very* major problem for me, 
> because I also run DOS (IBM PC/DOS 2000, with no WinDoze whatsoever) on 
> antique hardware.
>
> Fortunately, I live and work near what can only be described as a 
> computer junk shop, where finding antique hardware, some of it still 
> new-in-box, is not terribly difficult.
>
> But I can definitely confirm that Logitech is NOT making mice like they 
> used to.

  true, my M325 is doing the quick double clicks recently.  :(

  i'd love a converted Model M with a long (12ft) USB cable.
but i won't buy a new keyboard that is all plastic because 
they just bend too much and then fail.


> If only Unicomp made a mouse as good as their keyboards . . . .

  sadly i have two of them which failed too soon because they
don't have a sold base.  when used as lapkeyboards they stopped
sending the correct signals.  i switched to a Logitech K840 
which does have a solid base and it works, but i hate how stiff
it feels and it's been fading somewhat on me recently and needing
repeat key presses at some times to get a key to register.  i've
already worn some of letters off the keys.  :(  but, well, i got
it on sale for about $30 so i really can't complain.

  i won't buy any more keyboards from them because it costs
as much to fix them as it does to buy a new one.  i haven't
figured out how to fix them myself, but it would be nice to
see any vids where someone takes one apart and puts one back
together again and it actually works (note: i haven't looked 
recently).


  songbird

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#265153

On Thu, 21 Dec 2023, at 13:36, songbird wrote:

> i've
> already worn some of letters off the keys.  :(  but, well, i got
> it on sale for about $30 so i really can't complain.

For years I've used Dymo labels to replace keyboard legends.
(Not the 1960s/1970s thick 3d labels, but 'printed' ones).  After
sticking individual letters onto keytops (usually using tweezers
to position them as accurately as possible) I put mutiple coats
of clear nail varnish over them - which seems to lengthen their
life & help to hold down the edges of the stickers.

When they eventually need replaced it's sometimes difficult 
to get a Dymo letter off a key, needing something sharp (eg
a needle or scalpel) to lift the sticky label off the key.

Then I clean the key with isopropyl alcohol (as used eg for
cleaning heads on tape recorders), & make & attach a new
label.

Mostly I use Dymo media corresponding to the colour 
scheme of the original keyboard, but - eg on a laptop
which has white legends on black keys - I've replaced
some legends with "black print on yellow tape" labels
which are much easier to see and provide me with a
few visual landmarks on the keyboard ... which helps me
when I don't yet quite need to put a room light on.

I keep hoping that my next laptop will have a backlit
keyboard but very often the machines I choose (for
other higher-priority criteria) don't have them.

I've also tried a few clip-on mini lights (plugged into a
spare USB socket) but many such lights come with poor
quality clips &/ cables that are too short to reach the
USB socket of choice (or indeed any USB socket). 

-- 
Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

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#265200 — worn off key labels

Jeremy Nicoll wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Dec 2023, at 13:36, songbird wrote:
>
>> i've
>> already worn some of letters off the keys.  :(  but, well, i got
>> it on sale for about $30 so i really can't complain.
>
> For years I've used Dymo labels to replace keyboard legends.
> (Not the 1960s/1970s thick 3d labels, but 'printed' ones).  After
> sticking individual letters onto keytops (usually using tweezers
> to position them as accurately as possible) I put mutiple coats
> of clear nail varnish over them - which seems to lengthen their
> life & help to hold down the edges of the stickers.
>
> When they eventually need replaced it's sometimes difficult 
> to get a Dymo letter off a key, needing something sharp (eg
> a needle or scalpel) to lift the sticky label off the key.
>
> Then I clean the key with isopropyl alcohol (as used eg for
> cleaning heads on tape recorders), & make & attach a new
> label.
>
> Mostly I use Dymo media corresponding to the colour 
> scheme of the original keyboard, but - eg on a laptop
> which has white legends on black keys - I've replaced
> some legends with "black print on yellow tape" labels
> which are much easier to see and provide me with a
> few visual landmarks on the keyboard ... which helps me
> when I don't yet quite need to put a room light on.
>
> I keep hoping that my next laptop will have a backlit
> keyboard but very often the machines I choose (for
> other higher-priority criteria) don't have them.
>
> I've also tried a few clip-on mini lights (plugged into a
> spare USB socket) but many such lights come with poor
> quality clips &/ cables that are too short to reach the
> USB socket of choice (or indeed any USB socket). 

  i usually don't even look at the keyboard when i'm
typing.  just once in a while when i need to use a 
strange key.  :)  in the winter i may even type with
my hands under a light blanket.

  the idea of using a sticker is a good one but i have
black keys and no white ink.  however, i could get by
using something to just mark the key a bit in the right
shape to give me a hint if i need it.  so far i don't
seem to need it.

  this would really amaze my typing teacher from Jr.
High School (who is likely now long dead) as i managed
to flunk it.  at that time (several years before i
even first touched a computer) the class was all manual
typewriters and i was a bored trouble maker.  i did
deserve to be flunked - no excuse there at all...  but
what was funny is that i went on to college and having
to use a keypunch and then terminals of many kinds and
so with all the hours i spent at the keyboards i was
forced to learn how to touch type after all, so yes,
that teacher was right.  :)


  songbird

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#265205

Jeremy Nicoll wrote: 
> I keep hoping that my next laptop will have a backlit
> keyboard but very often the machines I choose (for
> other higher-priority criteria) don't have them.
> 
> I've also tried a few clip-on mini lights (plugged into a
> spare USB socket) but many such lights come with poor
> quality clips &/ cables that are too short to reach the
> USB socket of choice (or indeed any USB socket). 

IKEA sells the Jansjo USB LED, $7.99, which has about
20cm of gooseneck which will hold its shape quite well in any
shape except straight out sideways -- then it will droop.

-dsr-

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#265032

On 12/19/23, local10 <local10@tutanota.com> wrote:
> Dec 19, 2023, 15:30 by hfollmann@itcfollmann.com:
>
>> I have to ask: are you currently located at a remote location like the
>> ISS
>> station or similar?
>
> No, nothing like that.
>
>> Why would you go down this rabbit hole when the right
>> thing is to replace faulty hardware especially when it is cheap hardware?
>
> I've been replacing them, I have 4-5 mice like that, they all fail with the
> same defect after 6-12 months or so. So I thought perhaps there was a way to
> fix them instead of buying a new one every 6-12 months.

Same has been my experience for over two decades. I used to feel
blessed if they would last six months. I finally switched tactics last
year and tried gaming mice. I thought about the way they're used. It's
comparable to how much I click for emails and research related to
ongoing Life.. shtuff.

If I can help it, I'll never buy a "regular" mouse again. I'm still
poverty level so I buy bottom dollar electronics, used and otherwise.
If you can find "cheap" new gaming mice, the price kind of evens out
with buying multiple regular mice during a specific time period. That
means it's longer in between those times of frustration when they fizz
out always at just the wrong time.

In thinking more on it, I've tripped into a couple sales where the
alleged "gaming" mouse was the price of regular ones. Yeah, in that
case it might be purely about the appearance of gaming and not the
mechanics, but those mice still lasted longer so something was
thankfully also tougher under the hood, maybe just enough to satisfy
average (novice) consumers' expectations. :)

Cindy :)
-- 
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* runs with birdseed *

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#265033

On 12/20/23 1:06 PM, Cindy Sue Causey wrote:
> I finally switched tactics last year and tried gaming mice. I thought
> about the way they're used. It's comparable to how much I click for
> emails and research related to ongoing Life.. shtuff.

The main reason why I avoid gaming mice is because they tend to be 
loaded down with unnecessary bells and whistles.

Again, if only Unicomp offered mice that were built like their 
keyboards. . . .

--
JHHL

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On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 10:29:33AM -0500, Henning Follmann wrote:

[...]

> I have to ask: are you currently located at a remote location like the ISS
> station or similar? [...]

Bad mood, today?

Cheer up
-- 
t

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On 19.12.2023 20:04, local10 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have several mice that went bad with the same defect: they sometimes generate two single clicks very quickly (say, within 10-20ms) instead of a single click.
This is a very common problem with micro-switches inside computer mice, 
mechanical keyboards, etc.
They wear out with use and has to be replaced, given that they are very 
inexpensive, standardized and relatively easy to replace.
Here is a link to PDF datasheet [1] for Omron D2F series switches 
specifications.
You need a switch with pin plunger and compatible terminals, those 
depend on mice model.
You can buy them at local electronics store, order them from China 
(AliExpress), or from any other reputable source.


[1] https://omronfs.omron.com/en_US/ecb/products/pdf/en-d2f.pdf
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On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 09:37:20PM +0500, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:
> On 19.12.2023 20:04, local10 wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I have several mice that went bad with the same defect: they sometimes generate two single clicks very quickly (say, within 10-20ms) instead of a single click.
> This is a very common problem with micro-switches inside computer mice,
> mechanical keyboards, etc.
> They wear out with use and has to be replaced, given that they are very
> inexpensive, standardized and relatively easy to replace.

I've had some success inserting a thin shim between plunger and
switch, on the theory that the whole thing (plunger, switch, mount
on the PCB) get shortened/worn out on use.

Cheers
-- 
t

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On 19.12.2023 21:41, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 09:37:20PM +0500, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:
>> On 19.12.2023 20:04, local10 wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have several mice that went bad with the same defect: they sometimes generate two single clicks very quickly (say, within 10-20ms) instead of a single click.
>> This is a very common problem with micro-switches inside computer mice,
>> mechanical keyboards, etc.
>> They wear out with use and has to be replaced, given that they are very
>> inexpensive, standardized and relatively easy to replace.
> I've had some success inserting a thin shim between plunger and
> switch, on the theory that the whole thing (plunger, switch, mount
> on the PCB) get shortened/worn out on use.
Usually it is gunk and taint getting accumulated on metal contacts inside.
If you really have to repair a micro-switch without soldering, you can 
disassemble them, clean thoroughly contacts inside and metal plate with 
Isopropyl alcohol, let it dry out and reassemble.
Required tools:
1. Needle to pry open a plastic cap and tweezers (those could be bought 
at hardware store)
2. Steady hands (can't be bought)
3. Good eyesight (you guessed it, also can't be bought).


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#264927

Alexander V. Makartsev composed on 2023-12-19 11:37 (UTC-0500):

> local10 wrote:

>> I have several mice that went bad with the same defect: they sometimes generate two single clicks very quickly (say, within 10-20ms) instead of a single click.
> This is a very common problem with micro-switches inside computer mice, 
> mechanical keyboards, etc.
> They wear out with use and has to be replaced, given that they are very 
> inexpensive, standardized and relatively easy to replace.
> Here is a link to PDF datasheet [1] for Omron D2F series switches 
> specifications.
> You need a switch with pin plunger and compatible terminals, those 
> depend on mice model.
> You can buy them at local electronics store, order them from China 
> (AliExpress), or from any other reputable source.

> [1] https://omronfs.omron.com/en_US/ecb/products/pdf/en-d2f.pdf

Can you suggest any particular online source in North America that sells those
switches? I had no success trying to refurb one in my invaluable Logitech Trackman
Marble FX PS/2 trackball. It took 2 hours to get that tiny switch back together
after disassembly and cleaning. :( A Kensington Orbit I had much better luck with
cleaning, so didn't need a new switch.

AliExpress is reputable? That's news to me. I ordered something from it 20 months
ago. There was a lot of back and forth email between us before I actually got
something a month later that turned out to be used rather than new, and just as
broken as the original part I was trying to replace. My credit card company
eventually issued a refund after I explained all that happened. That particular
card I rarely used, and hadn't for a number of months before that online purchase
or for several months after. 3 months or so after the refund, there were 4 cash
advances issued on it totaling around $8,000 on the other side of an ocean I had
never crossed. Those got reversed, but my credit rating dropped 100 points and
hasn't come near recovering.
-- 
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	based on faith, not based on science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata

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#264938

On 12/19/23 11:48, Felix Miata wrote:
> Alexander V. Makartsev composed on 2023-12-19 11:37 (UTC-0500):
> 
>> local10 wrote:
> 
>>> I have several mice that went bad with the same defect: they sometimes generate two single clicks very quickly (say, within 10-20ms) instead of a single click.
>> This is a very common problem with micro-switches inside computer mice,
>> mechanical keyboards, etc.
>> They wear out with use and has to be replaced, given that they are very
>> inexpensive, standardized and relatively easy to replace.
>> Here is a link to PDF datasheet [1] for Omron D2F series switches
>> specifications.
>> You need a switch with pin plunger and compatible terminals, those
>> depend on mice model.
>> You can buy them at local electronics store, order them from China
>> (AliExpress), or from any other reputable source.
> 
>> [1] https://omronfs.omron.com/en_US/ecb/products/pdf/en-d2f.pdf
> 
> Can you suggest any particular online source in North America that sells those
> switches? I had no success trying to refurb one in my invaluable Logitech Trackman
> Marble FX PS/2 trackball. It took 2 hours to get that tiny switch back together
> after disassembly and cleaning. :( A Kensington Orbit I had much better luck with
> cleaning, so didn't need a new switch.
> 
> AliExpress is reputable? That's news to me. I ordered something from it 20 months
> ago. There was a lot of back and forth email between us before I actually got
> something a month later that turned out to be used rather than new, and just as
> broken as the original part I was trying to replace. My credit card company
> eventually issued a refund after I explained all that happened. That particular
> card I rarely used, and hadn't for a number of months before that online purchase
> or for several months after. 3 months or so after the refund, there were 4 cash
> advances issued on it totaling around $8,000 on the other side of an ocean I had
> never crossed. Those got reversed, but my credit rating dropped 100 points and
> hasn't come near recovering.
Hi,

digikey.com and mouser.com both have microswitches and good service.  It 
will be a lot easier to throw the mouse away and get a new one.  They 
are almost dirt cheap.

Best regards,
Fred

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#264939

Fred composed on 2023-12-19 18:04 (UTC-0700):

> Felix Miata wrote:

>> invaluable Logitech Trackman
>> Marble FX PS/2 trackball. 

Nothing like it has been manufactured since it was discontinued nearly 3 decades ago.

> digikey.com and mouser.com both have microswitches and good service.  It 
> will be a lot easier to throw the mouse away and get a new one.  They 
> are almost dirt cheap.

Not trackballs like a Marble FX, at any price. Caps are about the only things on
digikey and mouser I can ever find to match need. Identifying what I need among
the bazillion choices of almost but not quite they stock is the usual problem.
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#264955 — OT: Pitfalls of online purchases (Was Re: Mouse single click handling?)

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On 19.12.2023 23:48, Felix Miata wrote:
>
> Can you suggest any particular online source in North America that sells those
> switches? I had no success trying to refurb one in my invaluable Logitech Trackman
> Marble FX PS/2 trackball. It took 2 hours to get that tiny switch back together
> after disassembly and cleaning. :( A Kensington Orbit I had much better luck with
> cleaning, so didn't need a new switch.
I can't unfortunately.

> AliExpress is reputable? That's news to me. I ordered something from it 20 months
> ago. There was a lot of back and forth email between us before I actually got
> something a month later that turned out to be used rather than new, and just as
> broken as the original part I was trying to replace. My credit card company
> eventually issued a refund after I explained all that happened. That particular
> card I rarely used, and hadn't for a number of months before that online purchase
> or for several months after. 3 months or so after the refund, there were 4 cash
> advances issued on it totaling around $8,000 on the other side of an ocean I had
> never crossed. Those got reversed, but my credit rating dropped 100 points and
> hasn't come near recovering.
I share information only about my own experiences with AliExpress.
It might be very hard to find a good and reliable store there, but at 
least their official support and "dispute-system" are working fine.
The important part is that you have to keep all transactions, 
communications, chats within AliExpress platform.
Never agree to switch to email or any other resource for conversations 
with sellers. It's just asking to be scammed and AliExpress official 
customer service will be unable to help you.
I had to open disputes a few times and usually AliExpress officials 
step-in and resolve the dispute in customer's favor, unless the dispute 
is unreasonable and there is no evidence.
The whole shopping experience there could be daunting, there is simply 
too much stores and wares to choose from and their site is not helping, 
by being difficult and slow.
IMO it is too much of a risk to buy anything expensive there, given that 
postal service might smash the package during delivery, but ordering 
something like electronic components, hand tools, repair equipment, 
spare parts, etc, should be fine.
I had to order spare LCD screens and fragile repair equipment from 
reputable shops a few times. All delivered without damages.
Sometimes shops send items with a wrong part number, I had to start 
disputes explaining the problems and return items back. All returns were 
refunded back to my debit card.
I've never encountered any problems with payments or refunds, and their 
Escrow-account protection ensures that money will be released to the 
seller only after customer has received what they ordered.
I've heard there is a frequent "carder" and "skimmer" problem in the 
United States [1], so those issued card advances you had might be 
nothing to do with AliExpress, if you paid using their platform.
Anyway, I've used many cards throughout the years to pay for goods on 
AliExpress and never encountered any suspicious activities.
I also extra careful when I have to reveal my card information online 
and when I use ATMs.


[1] https://krebsonsecurity.com/?s=carder+skimmer
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#264959 — Re: OT: Pitfalls of online purchases (Was Re: Mouse single clickhandling?)

On 12/20/23 02:48, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:
> On 19.12.2023 23:48, Felix Miata wrote:
>>
>> Can you suggest any particular online source in North America that sells those
>> switches? I had no success trying to refurb one in my invaluable Logitech Trackman
>> Marble FX PS/2 trackball. It took 2 hours to get that tiny switch back together
>> after disassembly and cleaning. :( A Kensington Orbit I had much better luck with
>> cleaning, so didn't need a new switch.
> I can't unfortunately.
> 
>> AliExpress is reputable? That's news to me. I ordered something from it 20 months
>> ago. There was a lot of back and forth email between us before I actually got
>> something a month later that turned out to be used rather than new, and just as
>> broken as the original part I was trying to replace. My credit card company
>> eventually issued a refund after I explained all that happened. That particular
>> card I rarely used, and hadn't for a number of months before that online purchase
>> or for several months after. 3 months or so after the refund, there were 4 cash
>> advances issued on it totaling around $8,000 on the other side of an ocean I had
>> never crossed. Those got reversed, but my credit rating dropped 100 points and
>> hasn't come near recovering.
> I share information only about my own experiences with AliExpress.
> It might be very hard to find a good and reliable store there, but at 
> least their official support and "dispute-system" are working fine.
> The important part is that you have to keep all transactions, 
> communications, chats within AliExpress platform.
> Never agree to switch to email or any other resource for conversations 
> with sellers. It's just asking to be scammed and AliExpress official 
> customer service will be unable to help you.
> I had to open disputes a few times and usually AliExpress officials 
> step-in and resolve the dispute in customer's favor, unless the dispute 
> is unreasonable and there is no evidence.
> The whole shopping experience there could be daunting, there is simply 
> too much stores and wares to choose from and their site is not helping, 
> by being difficult and slow.
> IMO it is too much of a risk to buy anything expensive there, given that 
> postal service might smash the package during delivery, but ordering 
> something like electronic components, hand tools, repair equipment, 
> spare parts, etc, should be fine.
> I had to order spare LCD screens and fragile repair equipment from 
> reputable shops a few times. All delivered without damages.
> Sometimes shops send items with a wrong part number, I had to start 
> disputes explaining the problems and return items back. All returns were 
> refunded back to my debit card.
> I've never encountered any problems with payments or refunds, and their 
> Escrow-account protection ensures that money will be released to the 
> seller only after customer has received what they ordered.
> I've heard there is a frequent "carder" and "skimmer" problem in the 
> United States [1], so those issued card advances you had might be 
> nothing to do with AliExpress, if you paid using their platform.
> Anyway, I've used many cards throughout the years to pay for goods on 
> AliExpress and never encountered any suspicious activities.
> I also extra careful when I have to reveal my card information online 
> and when I use ATMs.
> 
I can't agree with that summation. They, AFAIAC, Now OWE ME AROUND 1800 
USD.  I bought a voron trident kit thru them that came in a badly 
damaged box for about $1750 with shipping.  But it came with only 1/4th 
of the plastic parts, and the packing in the box had no empty place 
where it might have been. I yelled, eventually getting files to print 
about half of the missing plastic. In the middle of all that, aliexress, 
based on what I wasn't told, did an automatic receipt which paid the 
vender and I've received no further comm with the vendor, I bought thru 
them 3 other times and the shipments have been to a bogus address and 
returned killing 2 or 3 months to get that squared away.  So I deal with 
them only when I cannot find it on amazon. That printer I paid $1750 
for?  is assembled frame only, I'm using for a parts warehouse. 
Otherwise its classic Chinese BBLB crap.
> 
> [1] https://krebsonsecurity.com/?s=carder+skimmer
> -- 
> With kindest regards, Alexander.
> 
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> ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org
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Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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On Dec 19, 2023, Felix Miata wrote:
> Alexander V. Makartsev composed on 2023-12-19 11:37 (UTC-0500):
> 
> > local10 wrote:
> 
> >> I have several mice that went bad with the same defect: they
> >> sometimes generate two single clicks very quickly (say, within
> >> 10-20ms) instead of a single click.
> > This is a very common problem with micro-switches inside computer mice, 
> > mechanical keyboards, etc.
> > They wear out with use and has to be replaced, given that they are very 
> > inexpensive, standardized and relatively easy to replace.
> > Here is a link to PDF datasheet [1] for Omron D2F series switches 
> > specifications.
> > You need a switch with pin plunger and compatible terminals, those 
> > depend on mice model.
> > You can buy them at local electronics store, order them from China 
> > (AliExpress), or from any other reputable source.
> 
> > [1] https://omronfs.omron.com/en_US/ecb/products/pdf/en-d2f.pdf
> 
> Can you suggest any particular online source in North America that
> sells those switches? I had no success trying to refurb one in my
> invaluable Logitech Trackman Marble FX PS/2 trackball. It took 2 hours
> to get that tiny switch back together after disassembly and cleaning.
> :( A Kensington Orbit I had much better luck with cleaning, so didn't
> need a new switch.

Mouser (<https://mouser.com>) or Digikey (<https://digikey.com>) both
carry the D2F series. They're both wonderful to work with, although I
prefer Digikey's parametric search over Mouser.


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