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| Started by | Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> |
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| First post | 2023-08-15 19:10 +0200 |
| Last post | 2023-11-21 04:50 +0100 |
| Articles | 7 on this page of 27 — 15 participants |
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Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2023-08-15 19:10 +0200
Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Marco <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-08-15 19:20 +0200
Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2023-08-15 20:40 +0200
Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2023-08-15 21:20 +0200
Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2023-08-15 21:50 +0200
Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2023-08-15 23:30 +0200
Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Frank Lanitz <frank@frank.uvena.de> - 2023-08-29 20:30 +0200
Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2023-08-19 16:10 +0200
Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2023-08-19 16:30 +0200
Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 04:30 +0200
Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2023-08-19 16:20 +0200
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> - 2023-11-18 18:10 +0100
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail peter ehlert <sdibaja@gmail.com> - 2023-11-18 18:30 +0100
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail peter ehlert <sdibaja@gmail.com> - 2023-11-19 16:00 +0100
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Alex <alex@blueselene.com> - 2023-11-18 19:10 +0100
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail jeremy ardley <jeremy.ardley@gmail.com> - 2023-11-19 01:10 +0100
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail jeremy ardley <jeremy.ardley@gmail.com> - 2023-11-19 02:30 +0100
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2023-11-18 20:30 +0100
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2023-11-18 22:30 +0100
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2023-11-19 13:10 +0100
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Tim Woodall <debianuser@woodall.me.uk> - 2023-11-19 05:40 +0100
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-11-19 06:50 +0100
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2023-11-19 13:00 +0100
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2023-11-19 17:20 +0100
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> - 2023-11-19 17:00 +0100
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2023-11-19 19:00 +0100
Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-11-21 04:50 +0100
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| From | Tim Woodall <debianuser@woodall.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2023-11-19 05:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail |
| Message-ID | <HBHLb-6qVz-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #263666 |
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023, Joe wrote: > If this area is likely to be the issue, try telnet to the IMAP server > using port 143, you should get back a list of capabilities which may > help. Oddly, though I'm using port 993 to my local server, it does not > return any information from that port, only on 143. Presumably this is > to assist security. > I'd assume you need to use something like openssl s_client rather than telnet to port 993.
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2023-11-19 06:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail |
| Message-ID | <HBIQW-6rJh-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #263679 |
On Sun 19 Nov 2023 at 04:29:57 (+0000), Tim Woodall wrote: > On Sat, 18 Nov 2023, Joe wrote: > > > If this area is likely to be the issue, try telnet to the IMAP server > > using port 143, you should get back a list of capabilities which may > > help. Oddly, though I'm using port 993 to my local server, it does not > > return any information from that port, only on 143. Presumably this is > > to assist security. > > I'd assume you need to use something like openssl s_client rather than > telnet to port 993. Sure, but you still need to know what to type (assuming that's what you do), because it just sits there rather than blurting it all out: $ openssl s_client -starttls imap -crlf -connect lionunicorn.co.uk:993 CONNECTED(00000003) and nothing happens until: ^C 130 $ OTOH, openssl to port 143 is a bit more informative. Cheers, David.
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| From | Joe <joe@jretrading.com> |
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| Date | 2023-11-19 13:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail |
| Message-ID | <HBOCZ-6vBa-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #263666 |
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 19:31:31 +0000 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote: > On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 19:20:49 +0000 > Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote: > > Hello Joe, > > >currently, selecting an email in the list marks it as read, which is > >not > > Can be altered in Prefs. > Display; Summaries Message list tab "Mark message as read" section. > Thank you. I never told it to do that. -- Joe
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| From | Joe <joe@jretrading.com> |
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| Date | 2023-11-19 17:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail |
| Message-ID | <HBSGB-6y89-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #263691 |
On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 12:25:34 +0000 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote: > On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 11:57:03 +0000 > Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote: > > Hello Joe, > > >On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 19:31:31 +0000 > >Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote: > >> Can be altered in Prefs. > >> Display; Summaries Message list tab "Mark message as read" > >> section. > >Thank you. I never told it to do that. > > I think (but don't quote me) it's the default in CM. And with the > large number of settings, it's easy to miss it. > > Took me a while to find the right section before responding to to your > post: > I *know* it's there somewhere...... :-l > I've been using Claws for some years without it happening. It suddenly started, certainly without me asking for it, which is why I thought it was a bug in an upgrade. Thanks again. -- Joe
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| From | Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> |
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| Date | 2023-11-19 17:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail |
| Message-ID | <HBSnf-6xMb-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #263660 |
On 11/18/23 08:58, Peter Ehlert wrote: > thread back from the dead: > first, thanks for all of the input and wise suggestions > > I am going crazy with Thunderbird, and Claws too. > Now Claws has a calendar add-on, did not try it but maybe it will > suffice. > > My longtime web and email host support have been struggling to help > me, Kudos to webmasters dot com > the Kudos was premature. they provided unclear/wrong instructions. I said screw it and did "the wrong thing" and expected to loose the copious pent-up messages, but it Did Work. I'm good. > IMP vs POP ...the "web" seems to reverse the definitions! I don't know > who to trust > > I really want to keep messages on their server, space is Not an issue. > > Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave messages > on the server? My question was incomplete. I should have added that I must have local copies of almost everything, for Me to filter an purge. --- > So you folks discussing IMAP made it super clear that POP is my only choice. < --- thanks! > > On 8/15/23 09:43, Peter Ehlert wrote: >> >> >> I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI >> has been slowly been changed. >> lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My >> Way. Minor success. Tbird still sucks in several ways. However the many alternatives suck worse in my opinion. Old dogs and all of that. >> >> also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and easy >> backups. >> >> In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few >> filters and rearrange my copious folders. >> >> Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail? >> the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I >> know little of the history and stability. >> >> secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters? >> >> thanks in advance. >>
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| From | Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2023-11-19 19:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail |
| Message-ID | <HBUfn-6yST-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #263697 |
On Sun, 2023-11-19 at 07:58 -0800, Peter Ehlert wrote: > > Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave > > messages > > on the server? > My question was incomplete. I should have added that I must have > local > copies of almost everything, for Me to filter an purge. > --- > So you folks discussing IMAP made it super clear that POP is my > only choice. < --- I don't see why you need POP to filter email. Your email client will almost certainly let you create filters to process and delete emails. E.g. I use IMAP with Evolution mail client and have various filters for spam and kill files. Amongst the many filter options is the ability to pipe new messages to an external program and the perform actions on the result. That's how I implement killfiles for this email list, I have a bash script to match email headers against a kill list and then if my script returns 'true' I have evolution set to delete them. -- Tixy
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2023-11-21 04:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail |
| Message-ID | <HCpVT-6Sh5-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #263660 |
On Sat 18 Nov 2023 at 08:58:41 (-0800), Peter Ehlert wrote: > thread back from the dead: > first, thanks for all of the input and wise suggestions > > I am going crazy with Thunderbird, and Claws too. > Now Claws has a calendar add-on, did not try it but maybe it will suffice. > > My longtime web and email host support have been struggling to help > me, Kudos to webmasters dot com > > IMP vs POP ...the "web" seems to reverse the definitions! I don't know > who to trust > > I really want to keep messages on their server, space is Not an issue. > > Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave messages > on the server? Well, sorting by Date, mutt lists your post at position: 33858 L 231118 Peter Ehlert (1.2K) Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail out of a total of 33910 on the server (in the UK). The posts are also all on this machine here: ~/.cache/mutt/imaps:ABC@DEF.co.uk@GHI.co.uk:993/INBOX$ ls -1 | wc -l 35700 ~/.cache/mutt/imaps:ABC@DEF.co.uk@GHI.co.uk:993/INBOX$ du -sh 630M . ~/.cache/mutt/imaps:ABC@DEF.co.uk@GHI.co.uk:993/INBOX$ (Some posts in my cache are orphaned, for straightforward reasons I won't bother to explain here.) Cheers, David.
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