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  Re: does your Thunderbird for deb11 often become unresponsive? "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2023-03-03 19:20 +0100
    Re: does your Thunderbird for deb11 often become unresponsive? Mark Allums <maa@allums.com> - 2023-03-05 08:50 +0100
      Re: does your Thunderbird for deb11 often become unresponsive? piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2023-03-05 21:20 +0100
        Re: does your Thunderbird for deb11 often become unresponsive? "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2023-03-05 21:40 +0100
          Re: does your Thunderbird for deb11 often become unresponsive? piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2023-03-06 04:30 +0100
            Re: does your Thunderbird for deb11 often become unresponsive? "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2023-03-06 07:40 +0100
              Re: does your Thunderbird for deb11 often become unresponsive? piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2023-03-06 18:40 +0100

#255558 — Re: does your Thunderbird for deb11 often become unresponsive?

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On 03.03.2023 09:02, hlyg wrote:
> at first i suspect Thunderbird(TB) try to access some sites that are 
> blocked in china
>
> i disable show Start Page when it launches
>
> i disable check email automatically for each account
>
> but it becomes unresponsive when i File->New->Message
>
> i really don't know cause of unresponsiveness
>
> PS: even if blocked sites cause trouble, it's bug of TB, it shall 
> timeout after it can't access sites for some time
I don't have any issues with TB on a PC with operating system on SSD.
If I had to guess the culprit, it could be a failing HDD.
You should check "/var/log/syslog" for anything suspicious and\or 
"smartctl".
This also could be a symptom of resource starvation. Run "free -h" 
and\or "top" to see if there is any resource hogs.

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#255606

On 3/3/23 12:17, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:
> On 03.03.2023 09:02, hlyg wrote:
>> at first i suspect Thunderbird(TB) try to access some sites that are 
>> blocked in china
>>
>> i disable show Start Page when it launches
>>
>> i disable check email automatically for each account
>>
>> but it becomes unresponsive when i File->New->Message
>>
>> i really don't know cause of unresponsiveness
>>
>> PS: even if blocked sites cause trouble, it's bug of TB, it shall 
>> timeout after it can't access sites for some time
> I don't have any issues with TB on a PC with operating system on SSD.
> If I had to guess the culprit, it could be a failing HDD.
> You should check "/var/log/syslog" for anything suspicious and\or 
> "smartctl".
> This also could be a symptom of resource starvation. Run "free -h" 
> and\or "top" to see if there is any resource hogs.
>
It's a bug in Thunderbird.  It is the result of using multiple accounts 
and something about multi-threading, I think, (on mine, anyway).  I have 
not filed a bug, but surely they know about it, it's present on both 
Linux and Windows, and through several versions.  I have been patiently 
waiting for a fix, perhaps we should all file bugs, if they are 
inundated with bug reports, maybe they'll be more motivated to fix it.

Mark A.


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#255635

On 05/03/2023 07:39, Mark Allums wrote:
> It's a bug in Thunderbird.  It is the result of using multiple accounts 
> and something about multi-threading, I think, (on mine, anyway).  I have 
> not filed a bug, but surely they know about it, it's present on both 
> Linux and Windows, and through several versions.  I have been patiently 
> waiting for a fix, perhaps we should all file bugs, if they are 
> inundated with bug reports, maybe they'll be more motivated to fix it.

Cannot reproduce, everything is fine for me in Debian Stable and Debian 
Testing, TB from repo in both cases.

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#255640

Thunderbird under Debian 11 gave minor miscellaneous problems from
time to time.  But when Thunderbird lost a couple of messages, I
switched to Evolution.  Now I have no more problems and I prefer
the features Evolution; I wish I had discovered Evolution long ago.

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ground; a fruitful land into barrenness, for the wickedness of them
that dwell therein. - Psalm 107:33-34

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#255648

On 05/03/2023 20:26, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> Thunderbird under Debian 11 gave minor miscellaneous problems from
> time to time.

Can't reproduce. If you have exact problem, please describe and/or fill 
a bug.
Disclaimer: I use TB for about 10 years and don't have any 
"miscellaneous problems" or "lost e-mails".

> But when Thunderbird lost a couple of messages

What you mean lost a couple of messages?
E-mails downloaded once to TB, usually still stay in on the server 
unless you configure your e-mail client to DELETE them PERMANENTLY.
I for example configured my TB to delete e-mails in non-important 
folders after a year, and never in important folders. If you can't find 
an e-mail, do a global TB search or login to web e-mail portal to check 
if your e-mail is still on the server.

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#255649

On Mon, Mar 06, 2023 at 03:26:15AM +0000, piorunz wrote:
>On 05/03/2023 20:26, Russell L. Harris wrote:
>>Thunderbird under Debian 11 gave minor miscellaneous problems from
>>time to time.
>
>Can't reproduce. If you have exact problem, please describe and/or 
>fill a bug.
>Disclaimer: I use TB for about 10 years and don't have any 
>"miscellaneous problems" or "lost e-mails".

My normal email client is mutt.  I forward some HTML messages to
Thunderbird and get some mail directly to Thunderbird.  I do not
recall the problems, because I do not use Thunderbird for critical mail.

>>But when Thunderbird lost a couple of messages

I did lose two or three messages which I did not delete.  That
disturbed me.  And that instance provided the impetus to search for an
alternative.  I found Evolution, and I find it easier to use than
Thunderbird.  All I am saying is that Evolution is a good alternative
to Thunderbird.

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#255659

On 06/03/2023 06:35, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 06, 2023 at 03:26:15AM +0000, piorunz wrote:
>> On 05/03/2023 20:26, Russell L. Harris wrote:
>>> Thunderbird under Debian 11 gave minor miscellaneous problems from
>>> time to time.
>>
>> Can't reproduce. If you have exact problem, please describe and/or 
>> fill a bug.
>> Disclaimer: I use TB for about 10 years and don't have any 
>> "miscellaneous problems" or "lost e-mails".
> 
> My normal email client is mutt.  I forward some HTML messages to
> Thunderbird and get some mail directly to Thunderbird.  I do not
> recall the problems, because I do not use Thunderbird for critical mail.

For me, my always-on 24/7 client is Claws Mail. It does sorting, 
filtering, executing scripts on e-mail arrivals (for example Telegram 
notifications), on home server computer.
TB is only to display end result and easily manage e-mail on my day to 
day work PC, its interface is much more comfortable than Claws.

And Claws *may* lose entire database on sudden PC shutdown/crash. 
Because files are not saved properly, or something, and some database 
files inside Claws folder have 0 length upon next restart. It happened 
to me once and I had to restore from backup. Very insecure! I don't know 
if it is due to default settings in Claws, or something else, but no 
other program I use does that. This was on RAID1 redundant Btrfs filesystem.
So yeah, I'd rather continue using TB for now as my main client.

>>> But when Thunderbird lost a couple of messages
> 
> I did lose two or three messages which I did not delete.  That
> disturbed me.  And that instance provided the impetus to search for an
> alternative.  I found Evolution, and I find it easier to use than
> Thunderbird.  All I am saying is that Evolution is a good alternative
> to Thunderbird.

This could have been user error. But I see your point. Thanks for 
sharing solution you decided to use.
I don't see major problems with TB, so I may stay with it. I 
experimented with KMail last year, but it wasn't any better than TB, so 
why change.

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