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| First post | 2021-12-09 11:20 +0100 |
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Firefox ESR EOL piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-12-09 11:20 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz> - 2021-12-09 14:00 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-12-09 15:20 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-12-09 17:40 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2021-12-09 17:50 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2021-12-09 17:50 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz> - 2021-12-09 18:00 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2021-12-09 18:30 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz> - 2021-12-09 18:50 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2021-12-09 19:30 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz> - 2021-12-09 20:00 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2021-12-09 18:30 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-12-09 18:30 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-12-09 18:30 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-12-09 21:50 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-12-09 23:10 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-12-09 23:20 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-12-09 23:30 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2021-12-09 23:40 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Michael Castellon <castellonmichael@gmail.com> - 2021-12-10 00:00 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-12-10 11:50 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> - 2021-12-09 23:30 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-12-10 11:00 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-12-18 21:50 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-12-18 23:30 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-12-19 00:10 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Rainer Dorsch <ml@bokomoko.de> - 2021-12-19 10:30 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-12-20 11:00 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Jeremy Ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2021-12-20 11:10 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-12-20 12:50 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-12-20 15:50 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-12-20 17:10 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-12-21 00:00 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-12-25 12:10 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-12-25 18:40 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-12-20 16:40 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL David Newman <dnewman@networktest.com> - 2021-12-18 23:30 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-12-19 09:20 +0100
Re: Risc-V [OT: Firefox ESR EOL] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-12-19 19:50 +0100
Re: Risc-V [OT: Firefox ESR EOL] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-12-20 10:00 +0100
Re: Risc-V [OT: Firefox ESR EOL] Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-12-25 12:10 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-12-10 00:10 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-12-10 00:10 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2021-12-10 10:30 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2021-12-10 11:30 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2021-12-10 13:30 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Rainer Dorsch <ml@bokomoko.de> - 2021-12-18 12:40 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz> - 2021-12-18 20:10 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-12-10 11:50 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2021-12-09 14:10 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2021-12-09 17:20 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-12-09 19:30 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-12-09 19:50 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-12-09 20:00 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2021-12-10 08:00 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2021-12-10 07:50 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-12-10 11:30 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-12-09 18:30 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-12-09 18:50 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Michael Castellon <castellonmichael@gmail.com> - 2021-12-09 22:30 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-12-09 22:50 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2021-12-10 01:50 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Michael Castellon <castellonmichael@gmail.com> - 2021-12-09 18:30 +0100
[SOLVED] Firefox + Thunderbird upstream solution piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-12-10 15:10 +0100
Re: [SOLVED] Firefox + Thunderbird upstream solution Michael Castellon <castellonmichael@gmail.com> - 2021-12-10 15:50 +0100
Re: [SOLVED] Firefox + Thunderbird upstream solution Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-12-10 16:40 +0100
Re: [SOLVED] Firefox + Thunderbird upstream solution piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-12-10 17:00 +0100
Re: [SOLVED] Firefox + Thunderbird upstream solution Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-12-10 17:00 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Kushal Kumaran <kushal@locationd.net> - 2021-12-21 02:20 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-12-26 23:20 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-12-27 09:20 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-12-27 09:40 +0100
Re: Firefox ESR EOL Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-12-27 15:30 +0100
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| From | Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-12-25 12:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Risc-V [OT: Firefox ESR EOL] |
| Message-ID | <Dyd62-2Up-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #243284 |
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On Lu, 20 dec 21, 09:53:54, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 01:44:35PM -0500, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > [...] > > > Would you have some suggestion if I'd like to try out a Risc-V board ? > > Feeding your fave search engine with, e.g. single board computer +"Risc-V" > yields some hits. A couple of examples: > > https://liliputing.com/2021/05/nezha-is-a-99-single-board-pc-with-a-risc-v-processor.html > https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/04/13/allwinner-d1-linux-risc-v-sbc-processor/ > https://marketresearchtelecast.com/tried-risc-v-single-board-computer-rvboards-nezha-with-debian-linux/98055/ > https://www.reddit.com/r/RISCV/comments/kwgcx2/beaglev_the_first_affordable_riscv_computer/ https://www.pine64.org/2021/12/15/december-update-a-year-in-review/ > Don't expect laptop-like or desktop-like performance yet -- rather > embedded-like performance. Those things haven't got the economy of scale > to justify vast caching architectures and other luxuries. That would > make them unaffordable. But things might change... Agreed. This is something to keep an eye on as a potential future competitor for ARM, which is starting to challenge x86 in various areas. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser
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| From | Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-12-10 00:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <DsAI1-70n-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #242842 |
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Am I allowed to top-post myself :-) If we want to make comparisons, why not talk about the BSD flavors? Or Slackware? Those are more apples-to-apples comparison. On Thu, Dec 9, 2021, 5:03 PM Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 9, 2021, 2:44 PM Andrew M.A. Cater <amacater@einval.com> > wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 09, 2021 at 05:11:05PM +0000, piorunz wrote: >> > >> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Web-Browser-Packages-Debian >> > >> > :( >> > >> > -- >> > With kindest regards, Piotr. >> > >> > ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ >> > ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system >> > ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ >> > ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀ >> >> Yes: not great but also not informed. We do package the latest versions as >> we can - the latest dependency on Rust is a problem and the point about >> needing to build toolchains is very valid. >> >> Too many comments there are just Debian-bashing with no real >> understanding. >> >> The one thing that would be good would be a backport of the mesa-utils to >> Bullseye as that would also solve problems with Debian and GUI apps under >> WSL2 and Windows :) >> > > And there's an even better example than the one I mentioned. But none of > them are negatives on Debian or its maintainers. Who could have predicted > the constant churn in linux GUI and graphics and X-Windows since, say, 1996 > when I first started-up twm on a German distro's real MIT X-Windows at > home. Just like on high end Unix workstations in office and lab. > That churn is all across Linux, not Debian. > > Debian tries to cover every base there. And it simply isn't humanly > possible. But the maintainers march forward, covering as much ground as > they can. > > > All the very best, as ever, >> >> Andy Cater >> >>
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| From | Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-12-10 00:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <DsAI1-70n-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #242842 |
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On Thu, Dec 9, 2021, 2:44 PM Andrew M.A. Cater <amacater@einval.com> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 09, 2021 at 05:11:05PM +0000, piorunz wrote: > > > https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Web-Browser-Packages-Debian > > > > :( > > > > -- > > With kindest regards, Piotr. > > > > ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ > > ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system > > ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ > > ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀ > > Yes: not great but also not informed. We do package the latest versions as > we can - the latest dependency on Rust is a problem and the point about > needing to build toolchains is very valid. > > Too many comments there are just Debian-bashing with no real understanding. > > The one thing that would be good would be a backport of the mesa-utils to > Bullseye as that would also solve problems with Debian and GUI apps under > WSL2 and Windows :) > And there's an even better example than the one I mentioned. But none of them are negatives on Debian or its maintainers. Who could have predicted the constant churn in linux GUI and graphics and X-Windows since, say, 1996 when I first started-up twm on a German distro's real MIT X-Windows at home. Just like on high end Unix workstations in office and lab. That churn is all across Linux, not Debian. Debian tries to cover every base there. And it simply isn't humanly possible. But the maintainers march forward, covering as much ground as they can. All the very best, as ever, > > Andy Cater > >
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| From | Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-12-10 10:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <DsKo2-4FE-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #242842 |
On Thursday, 9 Dec 2021 at 20:44, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > Too many comments there are just Debian-bashing with no real understanding. Indeed, and with absolutely no appreciation for the effort put in by all of you Debian folk. Especially in having "stable" *mean* stable! Thank you all. -- Eric S Fraga with org 9.5.1 in Emacs 29.0.50 on Debian 11.0
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| From | Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> |
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| Date | 2021-12-10 11:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <DsLk7-5ej-21@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #242880 |
On 2021-12-10 10:25 UTC+0100, Eric S Fraga wrote: > Indeed, and with absolutely no appreciation for the effort put in by all > of you Debian folk. Especially in having "stable" *mean* stable! I love Debian and I appreciate the work of the developers, but I don't like stability in the sense of leaving security holes unfixed constantly. There surely must be a better solution or Debian should put packages like Chromium, Firefox and Thunderbird on the list of packages without security support.
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| From | Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> |
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| Date | 2021-12-10 13:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <DsNcd-6mt-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #242886 |
On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 11:03:50AM +0100, Christian Britz wrote: > > > On 2021-12-10 10:25 UTC+0100, Eric S Fraga wrote: > > Indeed, and with absolutely no appreciation for the effort put in by all > > of you Debian folk. Especially in having "stable" *mean* stable! > Indeed! For those who would rather have "lastest" instead of "stable", there are many available solutions, both within and without Debian. > I love Debian and I appreciate the work of the developers, but I don't > like stability in the sense of leaving security holes unfixed constantly. > Please note that, as Jonathan pointed out in another message, the firefox-esr/thunderbird packages specifically have a great deal of complexity associated with them. On the whole, security vulnerabilities in Debian are fixed quite quickly and usually by a group of people made up mostly of volunteers. > There surely must be a better solution or Debian should put packages > like Chromium, Firefox and Thunderbird on the list of packages without > security support. > That was the case in the past. In particular, when Mozilla was much more hostile to downstream distributions concerning things like security support, branding, and building "modified" packages (e.g., carrying distribution-specific packages). The problem with that, of course, is that Debian buster, the current oldstable distrubtion (still in fairly active use), was initially released in July 2019. Firefox ESR 68 was also released that same month, meaning that the initial buster release would have contained at best Firefox 60 ESR (initially released May 2018). If the security team was not making an effort to update to the lastest ESR release, anyone using buster would have to choose between Firefox 60 ESR from the official repository, a current ESR from an external provider, or a manual download (as has been discussed in this thread). None of those seem to be good options. I remember the "good old days" when the security team didn't support FF in stable/oldstable. I remember having no choice but to install from upstream binary tarballs. I'd rather not go back to that being the only choice. Rather, the fact the security is making the effort says a great deal about Debian and those who are so committed to it that rather than just look at this situation (the difficulty of integrating new FF ESR into Debian stable/oldstable) and "nope", they dedicate themselves to solving the problems so that Debian users can benefit from a properly supported web browser. All the hate in this thread is really very tiresome. I'm not directing this specifically to you, Christian, rather speaking of the general tone of this thread. Discussing alternatives for users who are concerned about still being on FF 78 ESR and who would like options for running the latest ESR is fine. But bashing on the people who have been working literally for months on sorting out all of the issues (and there are many) to bring the latest FF ESR into Debian stable/oldstable is not productive. Nor is it productive to point at Debian and other distros and say things like "they do it, how come Debian can't?" Each distro has slightly different objectives, operating frameworks, etc. Debian's goals are different from Ubuntu's goals, are different from Fedora's goals, are different from Mozilla upstream's goals. Let's just accept that (or work constructively to adjust the goals to better suit you) and support the people doing the work. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez
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| From | Rainer Dorsch <ml@bokomoko.de> |
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| Date | 2021-12-18 12:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <DvGee-86P-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #242898 |
Am Freitag, 10. Dezember 2021, 13:25:17 CET schrieb Roberto C. Sánchez: > [...] > All the hate in this thread is really very tiresome. I'm not directing > this specifically to you, Christian, rather speaking of the general tone > of this thread. Discussing alternatives for users who are concerned > about still being on FF 78 ESR and who would like options for running > the latest ESR is fine. But bashing on the people who have been working > literally for months on sorting out all of the issues (and there are > many) to bring the latest FF ESR into Debian stable/oldstable is not > productive. Nor is it productive to point at Debian and other distros > and say things like "they do it, how come Debian can't?" Each distro > has slightly different objectives, operating frameworks, etc. Debian's > goals are different from Ubuntu's goals, are different from Fedora's > goals, are different from Mozilla upstream's goals. Let's just accept > that (or work constructively to adjust the goals to better suit you) and > support the people doing the work. Hi Roberto, thanks and I agree with all you wrote. But also be aware that not all critics is bashing and not everybody has the skills and/or time to actively help to backport the necessary packages. I do not intend to bash anybody, I understand that Debian is based on volunteer work (which is tremendous), and I hope that you consider the feedback as constructive. What I am missing is transparency, but it might be my fault that I just do not find the right information. What would help me feeling more comfortable with the situation is 1) a statement which is informing the users through a Debian channel about the thread before that appears on Linux Blogs/news channels. Even now I have not seen any comment on this topic. I am subscribed to the what I think are the relevant Debian channels for Debian users (and some more). 2) an estimate for the ETA. That would it make easier for me to decide if I can just wait for the update or if I need to work on another solution myself. Regards Rainer -- Rainer Dorsch http://bokomoko.de/
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| From | Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz> |
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| Date | 2021-12-18 20:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <DvNfH-4oO-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #243233 |
On 12/18/21 13:34, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > Am Freitag, 10. Dezember 2021, 13:25:17 CET schrieb Roberto C. Sánchez: >> [...] >> All the hate in this thread is really very tiresome. I'm not directing >> this specifically to you, Christian, rather speaking of the general tone >> of this thread. Discussing alternatives for users who are concerned >> about still being on FF 78 ESR and who would like options for running >> the latest ESR is fine. But bashing on the people who have been working >> literally for months on sorting out all of the issues (and there are >> many) to bring the latest FF ESR into Debian stable/oldstable is not >> productive. Nor is it productive to point at Debian and other distros >> and say things like "they do it, how come Debian can't?" Each distro >> has slightly different objectives, operating frameworks, etc. Debian's >> goals are different from Ubuntu's goals, are different from Fedora's >> goals, are different from Mozilla upstream's goals. Let's just accept >> that (or work constructively to adjust the goals to better suit you) and >> support the people doing the work. > > Hi Roberto, > > thanks and I agree with all you wrote. But also be aware that not all critics > is bashing and not everybody has the skills and/or time to actively help to > backport the necessary packages. I do not intend to bash anybody, I understand > that Debian is based on volunteer work (which is tremendous), and I hope that > you consider the feedback as constructive. > > What I am missing is transparency, but it might be my fault that I just do not > find the right information. What would help me feeling more comfortable with > the situation is > > 1) a statement which is informing the users through a Debian channel about the > thread before that appears on Linux Blogs/news channels. Even now I have not > seen any comment on this topic. I am subscribed to the what I think are the > relevant Debian channels for Debian users (and some more). > > 2) an estimate for the ETA. That would it make easier for me to decide if I > can just wait for the update or if I need to work on another solution myself. > I also think that if Debian project cannot handle with particular security issue on time then Debian users should be informed. Kind regards Georgi
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| From | Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> |
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| Date | 2021-12-10 11:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <DsLDs-5kE-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #242826 |
piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> writes: > https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Web-Browser-Packages-Debian They mention the Thunderbird situation as well. Looks like the Thunderbird Debian package has 22 open security issue and is version 78.14 in stable. As I've found an AppImage of Librewolf as a reasonable solution to the browser problem on my Bullseye desktop, I'm left wondering what to do about Thunderbird? Other than downloading the tarball? Or are these 22 issues too minor to matter? I don't really want to go through all of them myself.
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| From | Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> |
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| Date | 2021-12-09 14:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <Dsrlo-1mQ-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #242796 |
Security is the reason why I download and install browser and mail client directly from the vendor, not Debian repositories. For Chromium the situation is (was) even worse IIRC. Am 09.12.21 um 11:12 schrieb piorunz: > Hello, > > I noticed that Debian Stable uses Firefox ESR 78.15.0, which is final > update of 78 series. All further updates go to Firefox ESR 91, as > Mozilla page says: > https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/78.15.0/releasenotes > > "Version 78.15.0, first offered to ESR channel users on October 5, 2021 > This is the final planned ESR78 release. Eligible users will be > automatically updated to the ESR91 release on November 2." > > Since 2 November, Firefox 78 is EOL and we all should upgrade. I use > Debian Bullseye on several of my computers, and they all are on ESR 78. > > Firefox 91 should migrate to Stable as soon as possible, otherwise we > risk unpatched security vulnerabilities being present in Debian Stable, > there are several of them already. > https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/firefox-esr > > Is there any remedy for this? > > -- > With kindest regards, Piotr. > > ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ > ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system > ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ > ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀ >
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| From | Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-12-09 17:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <Dsujg-36l-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #242800 |
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I am testing Bookworm now, both on xfce and lxde. On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 8:01 AM Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> wrote: > Security is the reason why I download and install browser and mail > client directly from the vendor, not Debian repositories. > > For Chromium the situation is (was) even worse IIRC. > Indeed. Apt "politely" told me that chromium was "replaced" by chromium-bsu, an Arcade Shoot-em-up Game! :-) > Am 09.12.21 um 11:12 schrieb piorunz: <snip> > Firefox 91 should migrate to Stable as soon as possible, otherwise we > > risk unpatched security vulnerabilities being present in Debian Stable, > > there are several of them already. > > https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/firefox-esr (Obviously, Bookworm comes before Bullseye in this Process). To test Firefox 91 in Bookworm, can I use *one* Repository in Unstable, as an "unofficial Backports"? (And then only install Firefox 91 from there)? Thanks in advance, Kenneth Parker
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| From | Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-12-09 19:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <Dswbn-4dC-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #242800 |
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On Thu, Dec 9, 2021, 7:01 AM Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> wrote: > Security is the reason why I download and install browser and mail > client directly from the vendor, not Debian repositories. > And you may have heard yesterday a young woman on a separate thread advised NOT to do that. With an audio package IIRC. On general Debian administration and package management grounds.. No one corrected that statement later. For Chromium the situation is (was) even worse IIRC. > > Am 09.12.21 um 11:12 schrieb piorunz: > > Hello, > > > > I noticed that Debian Stable uses Firefox ESR 78.15.0, which is final > > update of 78 series. All further updates go to Firefox ESR 91, as > > Mozilla page says: > > https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/78.15.0/releasenotes > > > > "Version 78.15.0, first offered to ESR channel users on October 5, 2021 > > This is the final planned ESR78 release. Eligible users will be > > automatically updated to the ESR91 release on November 2." > > > > Since 2 November, Firefox 78 is EOL and we all should upgrade. I use > > Debian Bullseye on several of my computers, and they all are on ESR 78. > > > > Firefox 91 should migrate to Stable as soon as possible, otherwise we > > risk unpatched security vulnerabilities being present in Debian Stable, > > there are several of them already. > > https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/firefox-esr > > > > Is there any remedy for this? > > > > -- > > With kindest regards, Piotr. > > > > ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ > > ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system > > ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ > > ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀ > > > >
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| From | Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> |
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| Date | 2021-12-09 19:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <DswEq-4n4-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #242829 |
Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > On Thu, Dec 9, 2021, 7:01 AM Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> wrote: > > > Security is the reason why I download and install browser and mail > > client directly from the vendor, not Debian repositories. > > > > And you may have heard yesterday a young woman on a separate thread advised > NOT to do that. With an audio package IIRC. On general Debian > administration and package management grounds.. No one corrected that > statement later. Here's the main thing that people like to forget: When you run a Debian system, you are in charge of it. You can do anything you like to it. You get to live with the consequences. If you ask for help here, people will recommend that you do things in a way which minimizes the likelihood that you will break more things. You don't have to take that advice. But if you want more useful help here, you should. It is absolutely okay to create a FrankenDebian with repos from testing, unstable, Ubuntu Jovial Jackrabbit and a cronjob that looks for changes to a webpage somewhere in oracle.com and automatically downloads and installs a new Java Runtime on alternate Thursdays, then recompiles the kernel with a bleeding-edge GLIBC-alternative. But if you want help with that, you should expect to pay someone for the privilege of dealing with it. -dsr-
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| From | Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> |
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| Date | 2021-12-09 20:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <DswO5-4qq-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #242833 |
On Thu, Dec 09, 2021 at 01:27:56PM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote: > It is absolutely okay to create a FrankenDebian with repos from > testing, unstable, Ubuntu Jovial Jackrabbit and a cronjob that > looks for changes to a webpage somewhere in oracle.com and > automatically downloads and installs a new Java Runtime on > alternate Thursdays, then recompiles the kernel with a > bleeding-edge GLIBC-alternative. > > But if you want help with that, you should expect to pay someone > for the privilege of dealing with it. I wouldn't say it's "okay" to do that. It's possible to do that. But it's very far from O.K.
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| From | Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> |
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| Date | 2021-12-10 08:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <DsI2S-39u-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #242833 |
On 2021-12-09 19:27 UTC+0100, Dan Ritter wrote: > It is absolutely okay to create a FrankenDebian with repos from > testing, unstable, Ubuntu Jovial Jackrabbit and a cronjob that > looks for changes to a webpage somewhere in oracle.com and > automatically downloads and installs a new Java Runtime on > alternate Thursdays, then recompiles the kernel with a > bleeding-edge GLIBC-alternative. You really want to compare that to untarring a mail client to /opt and linking the executable to /usr/local/bin ? (OK, as a bonus you might create a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications). You prefer to live with https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/thunderbird ? Regards, Christian
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| From | Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> |
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| Date | 2021-12-10 07:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <DsHTb-36t-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #242829 |
On 2021-12-09 19:09 UTC+0100, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > On Thu, Dec 9, 2021, 7:01 AM Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de > <mailto:cbritz@t-online.de>> wrote: > > Security is the reason why I download and install browser and mail > client directly from the vendor, not Debian repositories. > > > And you may have heard yesterday a young woman on a separate thread > advised NOT to do that. With an audio package IIRC. On general Debian > administration and package management grounds.. No one corrected that > statement later. I read it and I don't care about that questionable absolute statement. I am using Debian about 20 years now and of course it runs well together with external software, if you know what you are doing. I dfinitely won't put my system on risk by using outdated browser and mail client packages full of security holes. Best Regards, Christian
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| From | Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-12-10 11:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <DsLk7-5ej-17@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #242872 |
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On Vi, 10 dec 21, 07:46:34, Christian Britz wrote:
> On 2021-12-09 19:09 UTC+0100, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 9, 2021, 7:01 AM Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de
> > <mailto:cbritz@t-online.de>> wrote:
> >
> > Security is the reason why I download and install browser and mail
> > client directly from the vendor, not Debian repositories.
> >
> >
> > And you may have heard yesterday a young woman on a separate thread
> > advised NOT to do that. With an audio package IIRC. On general Debian
> > administration and package management grounds.. No one corrected that
> > statement later.
>
> I read it and I don't care about that questionable absolute statement. I
> am using Debian about 20 years now and of course it runs well together
> with external software, if you know what you are doing.
In my opinion this is the important part ("know what you are doing").
As far as I'm concerned, I'll try to help posters deal with whatever
FrankenDebian they created as long as they are putting real effort in
helping themselves first, describing the problem accurately, etc.
Of course, in practice this means most will have solved their own
problems without needing any assistance from the list ;)
Kind regards,
Andrei
--
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser
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| From | piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2021-12-09 18:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <DsvoZ-3HZ-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #242796 |
On 09/12/2021 17:15, Michael Castellon wrote: > wget -O firefox.tar > "https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-latest&os=linux64 > <https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-latest&os=linux64>" Thanks! Can you generate the same, but for Firefox-ESR? -- With kindest regards, Piotr. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀
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| From | piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2021-12-09 18:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <DsvIl-3Op-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #242818 |
Got it!! wget -O firefox.tar.bz2 "https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-esr-latest&os=linux64&lang=en-GB" tar vxf firefox.tar.bz2 firefox/firefox You can add switch -P after firefox, it allows you to create new profile, in case you even want to go back to older ESR. Once updated by ESR91, it is likely your Fx profile won't work with ESR78 any more. I recommend backing up .mozilla folder before proceeding. Sad thing is, /$HOME/firefox/firefox doesn't work with firejail profile anymore. So I have either vulnerable ESR78 with firejail, or new vanilla ESR91 without firejail. 😭 -- With kindest regards, Piotr. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀
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| From | Michael Castellon <castellonmichael@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-12-09 22:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <Dsz9f-5Y6-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #242818 |
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all versions: https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/ version esr: wget -O firefox-esr.tar " https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-esr-latest&os=linux64" remember, delete cookies, etc: rm -r ~/.mozilla Regards. On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:28 PM piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> wrote: > On 09/12/2021 17:15, Michael Castellon wrote: > > wget -O firefox.tar > > "https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-latest&os=linux64 > > <https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-latest&os=linux64>" > > Thanks! > > Can you generate the same, but for Firefox-ESR? > > -- > With kindest regards, Piotr. > > ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ > ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system > ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ > ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀ >
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