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  Slow graphics on Intel Xtreme? Nils <tuxifan@posteo.de> - 2021-09-29 05:50 +0200
    Re: Slow graphics on Intel Xtreme? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-09-30 22:20 +0200
      Re: Slow graphics on Intel Xtreme? Nils <tuxifan@posteo.de> - 2021-09-30 23:30 +0200
        Re: Slow graphics on Intel Xtreme? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-09-30 23:50 +0200
          Re: Slow graphics on Intel Xtreme? Nils <tuxifan@posteo.de> - 2021-10-02 01:50 +0200
          Re: Slow graphics on Intel Xtreme? Tuxifan <tuxifan-dml@posteo.de> - 2021-10-02 01:50 +0200
            Re: Slow graphics on Intel Xtreme? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-10-02 02:20 +0200
              Re: Slow graphics on Intel Xtreme? Nils <tuxifan@posteo.de> - 2021-10-02 09:40 +0200
                Re: Slow graphics on Intel Xtreme? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-10-02 14:50 +0200
                  Re: Slow graphics on Intel Xtreme? Nils <tuxifan@posteo.de> - 2021-10-03 02:20 +0200
      Re: Slow graphics on Intel Xtreme? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-10-01 17:20 +0200
    Re: Slow graphics on Intel Xtreme? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-10-02 08:40 +0200
      Re: Slow graphics on Intel Xtreme? Nils <tuxifan@posteo.de> - 2021-10-02 09:20 +0200
        Re: Slow graphics on Intel Xtreme? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-10-03 20:10 +0200

#240531 — Slow graphics on Intel Xtreme?

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Hey,


I got a laptop from 2004, Intel Xtreme graphics inside.
Everything works fine, except 3D and even 2D acceleration. These seem to run fully on software even tho glxinfo claims opengl availability?

Here are the specs:
 - Intel Celeron (2.6 GHz, single-core)
 - 15" TFT (XGA 1024x768)
 - 1 GB of RAM
 - Intel Xtreme Graphics up to 64 MB, On demand
 - 16-bit Soundblaster Pro compatible + AC 97 CODEC, Microphone, Stereo Speakers
 - 60 GB HDD (IDE)
 - 4xUSB 2.0
 - TV-Out (S-Video), VGA-Out
 - PS/2 port (keyboard & Mouseport)
 - Line-Out, Mic-In
 - Parallel port
 - 10/100 Mbit LAN, 56k Modem V.90


Thx
Tuxifan

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#240692

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 03:27:18AM +0000, Nils wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> 
> I got a laptop from 2004, Intel Xtreme graphics inside.
> Everything works fine, except 3D and even 2D acceleration. These seem to run fully on software even tho glxinfo claims opengl availability?
> 
> Here are the specs:
>  - Intel Celeron (2.6 GHz, single-core)
>  - 15" TFT (XGA 1024x768)
>  - 1 GB of RAM
>  - Intel Xtreme Graphics up to 64 MB, On demand
>  - 16-bit Soundblaster Pro compatible + AC 97 CODEC, Microphone, Stereo Speakers
>  - 60 GB HDD (IDE)
>  - 4xUSB 2.0
>  - TV-Out (S-Video), VGA-Out
>  - PS/2 port (keyboard & Mouseport)
>  - Line-Out, Mic-In
>  - Parallel port
>  - 10/100 Mbit LAN, 56k Modem V.90
> 
> 
> Thx
> Tuxifan

This would seem to be running on the very edge of hardware: I'm surprised
that anything graphical will run at all in 1GB of total memory and 64M
of video RAM.

If you were to take Debian from 15 years ago, Debian 3.1 (or maybe 4.x)
this would work very well. If you were to only use command line tools
it might well run Debian 11 - but anything graphical will struggle on
1G of memory, I think.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

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#240694

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I ran one game on Windows XP and it ran just fine, full FPS.
Same game got like 5 FPS on Debian? How is that possible?

Nils

Am 30. September 2021 22:16:50 MESZ schrieb "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com>:
>On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 03:27:18AM +0000, Nils wrote:
>> Hey,
>> 
>> 
>> I got a laptop from 2004, Intel Xtreme graphics inside.
>> Everything works fine, except 3D and even 2D acceleration. These seem to run fully on software even tho glxinfo claims opengl availability?
>> 
>> Here are the specs:
>>  - Intel Celeron (2.6 GHz, single-core)
>>  - 15" TFT (XGA 1024x768)
>>  - 1 GB of RAM
>>  - Intel Xtreme Graphics up to 64 MB, On demand
>>  - 16-bit Soundblaster Pro compatible + AC 97 CODEC, Microphone, Stereo Speakers
>>  - 60 GB HDD (IDE)
>>  - 4xUSB 2.0
>>  - TV-Out (S-Video), VGA-Out
>>  - PS/2 port (keyboard & Mouseport)
>>  - Line-Out, Mic-In
>>  - Parallel port
>>  - 10/100 Mbit LAN, 56k Modem V.90
>> 
>> 
>> Thx
>> Tuxifan
>
>This would seem to be running on the very edge of hardware: I'm surprised
>that anything graphical will run at all in 1GB of total memory and 64M
>of video RAM.
>
>If you were to take Debian from 15 years ago, Debian 3.1 (or maybe 4.x)
>this would work very well. If you were to only use command line tools
>it might well run Debian 11 - but anything graphical will struggle on
>1G of memory, I think.
>
>All the very best, as ever,
>
>Andy Cater
>

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#240695

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 09:27:12PM +0000, Nils wrote:
> I ran one game on Windows XP and it ran just fine, full FPS.
> Same game got like 5 FPS on Debian? How is that possible?

Usually lack of (non-free) video firmware.

In some cases, lack of a proprietary nvidia driver.  But your Subject:
header says Intel, so it's probably not that.(*)

You probably just need firmware.  Use "dmesg | grep -i firmware" to
verify this.

(*) Unless you're on an "optimus" setup, which has both nvidia and
Intel graphics devices.  If you're on one of those, get the sacrificial
animals ready.

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#240764

Well, this command gets me no output at all!
Maybe these Intel Xtreme graphics cards are simply too weak for Linux and Windows can handle them better?

On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 17:43:49 -0400
Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 09:27:12PM +0000, Nils wrote:
> > I ran one game on Windows XP and it ran just fine, full FPS.
> > Same game got like 5 FPS on Debian? How is that possible?
> 
> Usually lack of (non-free) video firmware.
> 
> In some cases, lack of a proprietary nvidia driver.  But your Subject:
> header says Intel, so it's probably not that.(*)
> 
> You probably just need firmware.  Use "dmesg | grep -i firmware" to
> verify this.
> 
> (*) Unless you're on an "optimus" setup, which has both nvidia and
> Intel graphics devices.  If you're on one of those, get the sacrificial
> animals ready.
> 


-- 
Nils <tuxifan@posteo.de>

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#240765

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Additional info, here is my "lspci -nn":
> 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE/PE DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface [8086:2560] (rev 03)
> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device [8086:2562] (rev 03)
> 00:1d.0 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 [8086:24c2] (rev 02)
> 00:1d.1 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 [8086:24c4] (rev 02)
> 00:1d.2 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 [8086:24c7] (rev 02)
> 00:1d.7 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2 EHCI Controller [8086:24cd] (rev 02)
> 00:1e.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge [8086:244e] (rev 82)
> 00:1f.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) LPC Interface Bridge [8086:24c0] (rev 02)
> 00:1f.1 IDE interface [0101]: Intel Corporation 82801DB (ICH4) IDE Controller [8086:24cb] (rev 02)
> 00:1f.3 SMBus [0c05]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus Controller [8086:24c3] (rev 02)
> 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller [8086:24c5] (rev 02)
> 00:1f.6 Modem [0703]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controller [8086:24c6] (rev 02)
> 01:0c.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: National Semiconductor Corporation DP83815 (MacPhyter) Ethernet Controller [100b:0020]

> Well, this command gets me no output at all!
> Maybe these Intel Xtreme graphics cards are simply too weak for Linux and Windows can handle them better?
> 
> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 17:43:49 -0400
> Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 09:27:12PM +0000, Nils wrote:
> > > I ran one game on Windows XP and it ran just fine, full FPS.
> > > Same game got like 5 FPS on Debian? How is that possible?
> > 
> > Usually lack of (non-free) video firmware.
> > 
> > In some cases, lack of a proprietary nvidia driver.  But your Subject:
> > header says Intel, so it's probably not that.(*)
> > 
> > You probably just need firmware.  Use "dmesg | grep -i firmware" to
> > verify this.
> > 
> > (*) Unless you're on an "optimus" setup, which has both nvidia and
> > Intel graphics devices.  If you're on one of those, get the sacrificial
> > animals ready.
> > 


-- 
Nils <tuxifan@posteo.de>

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#240767

> Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> wrote:
> > You probably just need firmware.  Use "dmesg | grep -i firmware" to
> > verify this.

On Fri, Oct 01, 2021 at 11:32:57PM +0000, Nils wrote:
> Well, this command gets me no output at all!
> Maybe these Intel Xtreme graphics cards are simply too weak for Linux and Windows can handle them better?

On Fri, Oct 01, 2021 at 11:40:16PM +0000, Tuxifan wrote:
> Additional info, here is my "lspci -nn":
> > 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE/PE DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface [8086:2560] (rev 03)
> > 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device [8086:2562] (rev 03)

This is an old chipset, which explains why it doesn't need any firmware.

I found a 10 year old forum thread where someone with this chipset had
problems, with no resolution:
<https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=71083>

Of course, that's 10 years ago.  Here's a 9 year old thread from someone
who got things to be "less bad" by installing some missing packages:
<https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/3d-acceleration-with-intel-corporation-82845g-gl%5Bbrookdale-g%5D-4175410707/>

You could check glxinfo (from mesa-utils) and see whether direct
rendering is working at all.  It might also be worth looking at your
Xorg.0.log file and see if it has any useful errors or warnings.

I'm not an expert on decades-old Intel video hardware, but everything I've
heard about it over the years says that it was notoriously bad.  Maybe
you can find some way to make it less bad, but it's definitely never going
to be *great*.

If you don't get the answers you're looking for here, you might need to
seek out people who know more about running Linux/X11 on museum-age
Intel devices.

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#240779

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So I installed this package. But unlike the guy in that post, my glxinfo still shows "Mesa/X.org" as OpenGL vendor string and "llvmpipe" as renderer string.

Soo... Has the graphics card removed from the driver? Can I install some more ancient driver?

Am 2. Oktober 2021 02:12:16 MESZ schrieb Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org>:
>> Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> wrote:
>> > You probably just need firmware.  Use "dmesg | grep -i firmware" to
>> > verify this.
>
>On Fri, Oct 01, 2021 at 11:32:57PM +0000, Nils wrote:
>> Well, this command gets me no output at all!
>> Maybe these Intel Xtreme graphics cards are simply too weak for Linux and Windows can handle them better?
>
>On Fri, Oct 01, 2021 at 11:40:16PM +0000, Tuxifan wrote:
>> Additional info, here is my "lspci -nn":
>> > 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE/PE DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface [8086:2560] (rev 03)
>> > 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device [8086:2562] (rev 03)
>
>This is an old chipset, which explains why it doesn't need any firmware.
>
>I found a 10 year old forum thread where someone with this chipset had
>problems, with no resolution:
><https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=71083>
>
>Of course, that's 10 years ago.  Here's a 9 year old thread from someone
>who got things to be "less bad" by installing some missing packages:
><https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/3d-acceleration-with-intel-corporation-82845g-gl%5Bbrookdale-g%5D-4175410707/>
>
>You could check glxinfo (from mesa-utils) and see whether direct
>rendering is working at all.  It might also be worth looking at your
>Xorg.0.log file and see if it has any useful errors or warnings.
>
>I'm not an expert on decades-old Intel video hardware, but everything I've
>heard about it over the years says that it was notoriously bad.  Maybe
>you can find some way to make it less bad, but it's definitely never going
>to be *great*.
>
>If you don't get the answers you're looking for here, you might need to
>seek out people who know more about running Linux/X11 on museum-age
>Intel devices.
>

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#240794

On Sat, Oct 02, 2021 at 07:20:19AM +0000, Nils wrote:
> So I installed this package. But unlike the guy in that post, my glxinfo still shows "Mesa/X.org" as OpenGL vendor string and "llvmpipe" as renderer string.
> 
> Soo... Has the graphics card removed from the driver? Can I install some more ancient driver?

Here's another thread from 8 years ago:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/15ps6v/getting_3d_support_on_intel_845g/>

Every search result I find says that this chipset is just *terrible*,
especially under Linux.  Even when it was brand new, it was cheap rubbish,
for bottom-of-the-line machines.

At some point, hardware simply becomes obsolete, and you'll have to
accept this.  You're free to continue searching, but as I said before,
you really need to get in touch with people who are experts in ancient
Intel chipsets if you want any hope.

Meanwhile, I also found:

<https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/fb/intelfb.html>
<https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/xserver-xorg-video-intel/intel.4.en.html>
<https://prahladyeri.wordpress.com/2012/07/15/intel-graphic-cards-issue/>
<http://web.archive.org/web/20070322222045/http://www.xfree86.org/~dawes/845driver.html>

Happy reading?

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#240824

Well, thanks a lot, anyways!
Might just replace this Laptop with my other one for games and keep this one for emailing etc

Am 2. Oktober 2021 14:41:55 MESZ schrieb Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org>:
>On Sat, Oct 02, 2021 at 07:20:19AM +0000, Nils wrote:
>> So I installed this package. But unlike the guy in that post, my glxinfo still shows "Mesa/X.org" as OpenGL vendor string and "llvmpipe" as renderer string.
>> 
>> Soo... Has the graphics card removed from the driver? Can I install some more ancient driver?
>
>Here's another thread from 8 years ago:
><https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/15ps6v/getting_3d_support_on_intel_845g/>
>
>Every search result I find says that this chipset is just *terrible*,
>especially under Linux.  Even when it was brand new, it was cheap rubbish,
>for bottom-of-the-line machines.
>
>At some point, hardware simply becomes obsolete, and you'll have to
>accept this.  You're free to continue searching, but as I said before,
>you really need to get in touch with people who are experts in ancient
>Intel chipsets if you want any hope.
>
>Meanwhile, I also found:
>
><https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/fb/intelfb.html>
><https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/xserver-xorg-video-intel/intel.4.en.html>
><https://prahladyeri.wordpress.com/2012/07/15/intel-graphic-cards-issue/>
><http://web.archive.org/web/20070322222045/http://www.xfree86.org/~dawes/845driver.html>
>
>Happy reading?
>

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#240728

> This would seem to be running on the very edge of hardware: I'm surprised
> that anything graphical will run at all in 1GB of total memory and 64M
> of video RAM.

My old Thinkpad X30 is still quite functional (that's the machine I use
to plug into LCD projectors to display slides during talks and classes).

So, I can confirm that 1GB of RAM is still enough to run XFCE in Debian
testing (the PDFs are displayed via doc-view-mode in Emacs).  Firefox is
too sluggish on that machine, OTOH.


        Stefan

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#240776

Nils composed on 2021-09-29 03:27 (UTC):

> I got a laptop from 2004, Intel Xtreme graphics inside.
> Everything works fine, except 3D and even 2D acceleration. These seem to run fully on software even tho glxinfo claims opengl availability?

> Here are the specs:
>  - Intel Celeron (2.6 GHz, single-core)
>  - 15" TFT (XGA 1024x768)
>  - 1 GB of RAM
>  - Intel Xtreme Graphics up to 64 MB, On demand ...
											
Don't be mislead by the moniker Xtreme Graphics. It was a good bit better than
Intel's previous graphics iterations, but xtreme would be best applied in
conjunction with the descriptor "weak". It wasn't much better than simply
tolerable when new. It doesn't help to have it with a Celeron, Intel's bottom of
the line CPU and trivial CPU cache. Here are some specs from a Pentium IV (I have
no Debian on either of mine.):
# glxinfo -B
name of display: :0
display: :0  screen: 0
direct rendering: Yes
Extended renderer info (GLX_MESA_query_renderer):
    Vendor: Intel Open Source Technology Center (0x8086)
    Device: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 845G x86/MMX/SSE2 (0x2562)
    Version: 21.2.2
    Accelerated: yes
    Video memory: 96MB
    Unified memory: yes
    Preferred profile: compat (0x2)
    Max core profile version: 0.0
    Max compat profile version: 1.3
    Max GLES1 profile version: 1.1
    Max GLES[23] profile version: 0.0
OpenGL vendor string: Intel Open Source Technology Center
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 845G x86/MMX/SSE2
OpenGL version string: 1.3 Mesa 21.2.2
# inxi -CSyz
System:
  Kernel: 5.13.12-1-default i686 bits: 32 Desktop: KDE 3.5.10
  Distro: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20210929
CPU:
  Info: Single Core model: Intel Pentium 4 bits: 32 type: MCP cache:
  L2: 512 KiB
  Speed: 2399 MHz min/max: N/A Core speed (MHz): 1: 2399
# inxi -Gayz
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Integrated Graphics vendor: Dell
  driver: i915 v: kernel bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:2562 class-ID: 0300
  Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.13 driver: loaded: intel
  unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa display-ID: :0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1680x1050 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 444x277mm (17.5x10.9")
  s-diag: 523mm (20.6")
  Monitor-1: VGA1 res: 1680x1050 hz: 60 dpi: 91 size: 470x300mm (18.5x11.8")
  diag: 558mm (22")
  OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 845G x86/MMX/SSE2 v: 1.3 Mesa 21.2.2
  direct render: Yes
#

Running KDE3, it's tolerable for essentials if no faster machine is available,
fine for running OS/2 or DOS.
-- 
Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion,
	based on faith, not based on science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata

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#240777

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Well, still... The thing is, that games that run flawlessly on Windows XP have like 1 FPS on Debian.
So... It **does** have the ability to run these games.
I also noticed, that in Minetest OpenGL is exactly as fast as software randering... whoops?

Am 2. Oktober 2021 08:33:44 MESZ schrieb Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net>:
>Nils composed on 2021-09-29 03:27 (UTC):
>
>> I got a laptop from 2004, Intel Xtreme graphics inside.
>> Everything works fine, except 3D and even 2D acceleration. These seem to run fully on software even tho glxinfo claims opengl availability?
>
>> Here are the specs:
>>  - Intel Celeron (2.6 GHz, single-core)
>>  - 15" TFT (XGA 1024x768)
>>  - 1 GB of RAM
>>  - Intel Xtreme Graphics up to 64 MB, On demand ...
>											
>Don't be mislead by the moniker Xtreme Graphics. It was a good bit better than
>Intel's previous graphics iterations, but xtreme would be best applied in
>conjunction with the descriptor "weak". It wasn't much better than simply
>tolerable when new. It doesn't help to have it with a Celeron, Intel's bottom of
>the line CPU and trivial CPU cache. Here are some specs from a Pentium IV (I have
>no Debian on either of mine.):
># glxinfo -B
>name of display: :0
>display: :0  screen: 0
>direct rendering: Yes
>Extended renderer info (GLX_MESA_query_renderer):
>    Vendor: Intel Open Source Technology Center (0x8086)
>    Device: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 845G x86/MMX/SSE2 (0x2562)
>    Version: 21.2.2
>    Accelerated: yes
>    Video memory: 96MB
>    Unified memory: yes
>    Preferred profile: compat (0x2)
>    Max core profile version: 0.0
>    Max compat profile version: 1.3
>    Max GLES1 profile version: 1.1
>    Max GLES[23] profile version: 0.0
>OpenGL vendor string: Intel Open Source Technology Center
>OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 845G x86/MMX/SSE2
>OpenGL version string: 1.3 Mesa 21.2.2
># inxi -CSyz
>System:
>  Kernel: 5.13.12-1-default i686 bits: 32 Desktop: KDE 3.5.10
>  Distro: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20210929
>CPU:
>  Info: Single Core model: Intel Pentium 4 bits: 32 type: MCP cache:
>  L2: 512 KiB
>  Speed: 2399 MHz min/max: N/A Core speed (MHz): 1: 2399
># inxi -Gayz
>Graphics:
>  Device-1: Intel 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Integrated Graphics vendor: Dell
>  driver: i915 v: kernel bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:2562 class-ID: 0300
>  Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.13 driver: loaded: intel
>  unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa display-ID: :0 screens: 1
>  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1680x1050 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 444x277mm (17.5x10.9")
>  s-diag: 523mm (20.6")
>  Monitor-1: VGA1 res: 1680x1050 hz: 60 dpi: 91 size: 470x300mm (18.5x11.8")
>  diag: 558mm (22")
>  OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 845G x86/MMX/SSE2 v: 1.3 Mesa 21.2.2
>  direct render: Yes
>#
>
>Running KDE3, it's tolerable for essentials if no faster machine is available,
>fine for running OS/2 or DOS.
>-- 
>Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion,
>	based on faith, not based on science.
>
> Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
>
>Felix Miata
>

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#240860

On Sat 02 Oct 2021 at 07:10:58 (+0000), Nils wrote:
> Well, still... The thing is, that games that run flawlessly on Windows XP have like 1 FPS on Debian.
> So... It **does** have the ability to run these games.

Should we be surprised that a laptop from 2004 works well with
a contemporary Windows OS—so did my Travelmate from the same year.

But as each version of Debian is released, I have to retweak
things to get X to run reliably. However, I can still browse
(slowly) on buster, and it plays videos reasonably smoothly
unless their resolution exceeds the screen's. I get the
impression it runs faster on jessie, so smoother videos, but
I wouldn't consider opening a browser.

It's a modest 1.50GHz Pentium with 500MB memory with 64MB video
memory. In Wheezy, I needed Option "AGPFastWrite" "no" in
xorg.conf, but in buster I get by with nomodeset in the kernel line.
Obviously I only run a WM, not a DE.

It would be a pleasant surprise if someone in Debian or the kernel
team took an interest in what tweaks to make, perhaps by chance
still running a similar video card (mine being an ATI Radeon
Mobility: 0x4e50).

> >Nils composed on 2021-09-29 03:27 (UTC):
> >
> >> I got a laptop from 2004, Intel Xtreme graphics inside.
> >> Everything works fine, except 3D and even 2D acceleration. These seem to run fully on software even tho glxinfo claims opengl availability?
> >
> >> Here are the specs:
> >>  - Intel Celeron (2.6 GHz, single-core)
> >>  - 15" TFT (XGA 1024x768)
> >>  - 1 GB of RAM
> >>  - Intel Xtreme Graphics up to 64 MB, On demand ...

Cheers,
David.

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