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  Can MATE DE be attractive as well as functional Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-06-26 22:40 +0200
    Re: Can MATE DE be attractive as well as functional Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2021-06-26 23:30 +0200
      Re: Can MATE DE be attractive as well as functional Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2021-06-27 00:20 +0200
        Re: Can MATE DE be attractive as well as functional Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-06-27 11:30 +0200
      Re: Can MATE DE be attractive as well as functional Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-06-27 14:20 +0200
    Resolved: Can MATE DE be attractive as well as functional Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-06-27 13:00 +0200
      Re: Resolved: Can MATE DE be attractive as well as functional Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-06-27 14:20 +0200
    Re: Can MATE DE be attractive as well as functional Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-06-27 14:10 +0200

#236506 — Can MATE DE be attractive as well as functional

Can icons placed on desktop be in a regular geometric pattern.
I think it tries to do that. But over the years I've had differing 
monitor geometries. Does operator have any control over where next icon 
is placed?

Just curious ;/
TIA

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#236507

On 27/6/21 4:30 am, Richard Owlett wrote:
> Can icons placed on desktop be in a regular geometric pattern.
> I think it tries to do that. But over the years I've had differing 
> monitor geometries. Does operator have any control over where next icon 
> is placed?
> 
> Just curious ;/
> TIA
> 
> 
> 
> 

This is not an answer to your question, but, rather, something that 
arises, because of your question.

You have posted to this list, a number of different queries, relating to 
the MATE interface.

This also happens on the Ubuntu users list.

A"flavour" of Ubuntu, exists, named UbuntuMATE (or, however a person 
wants to write the name), in addition to the other flavours;Lubuntu, 
Xubuntu,Kubuntu, etc.

With Debian, different flavours, also exist, from memory.

But, with MATE, whilst a Debian-mate mailing lists exists, to which 
reference was made, in response to a previous thread involving a query 
about MATE running on Debian, the Debian-mate list appears to have posts 
relating to only bug reports, and, announcements or security announcements.

I think that MATE also runs as a desktop environment, on dragonflyBSD 
(if not the other BSD distributions, also).

But, whilst (independently operated and administered) users mailing 
lists exist, for Thunderbird (two separate users lists), Firefox, and 
Seamonkey, no users list appears to exist for either UbuntuMATE, or, 
MATE running on Debian, or, for the MATE desktop environment (if that is 
the correct term), across the different platforms.

The question then arises - would it be worthwhile, to start a users 
mailing list, for MATE desktop interface (and applications that are part 
of the MATE environment), to deal with MATE users across different 
platforms?

I think that MATE also runs as a desktop environment, on dragonflyBSD 
(if not the other BSD distributions, also).

So, I wonder about the worthwhileness (?) of setting up a new MATE users 
mailing list.

-- 
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
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#236508

On 27/6/21 5:07 am, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 27/6/21 4:30 am, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> Can icons placed on desktop be in a regular geometric pattern.
>> I think it tries to do that. But over the years I've had differing 
>> monitor geometries. Does operator have any control over where next 
>> icon is placed?
>>
>> Just curious ;/
>> TIA
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> This is not an answer to your question, but, rather, something that 
> arises, because of your question.
> 
> You have posted to this list, a number of different queries, relating to 
> the MATE interface.
> 
> This also happens on the Ubuntu users list.
> 

Just to clarify - I did not mean that Richard Owlett also posts queries 
about the MATE desktop environment, to the Ubuntu users list; what I 
meant (and, should have explicitly worded), is that queries also get 
posted to the Ubuntu users mailing list, relating to the MATE desktop 
environment and its applications.

-- 
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

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#236518

On 06/26/2021 04:49 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 27/6/21 5:07 am, Bret Busby wrote:
>> On 27/6/21 4:30 am, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> Can icons placed on desktop be in a regular geometric pattern.
>>> I think it tries to do that. But over the years I've had differing 
>>> monitor geometries. Does operator have any control over where next 
>>> icon is placed?
>>>
>>> Just curious ;/
>>> TIA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> This is not an answer to your question, but, rather, something that 
>> arises, because of your question.
>>
>> You have posted to this list, a number of different queries, relating 
>> to the MATE interface.
>>
>> This also happens on the Ubuntu users list.
>>
> 
> Just to clarify - I did not mean that Richard Owlett also posts queries 
> about the MATE desktop environment, to the Ubuntu users list; what I 
> meant (and, should have explicitly worded), is that queries also get 
> posted to the Ubuntu users mailing list, relating to the MATE desktop 
> environment and its applications.
> 

No problem. I took it as you intended.
In threads I've begun, most mention MATE to establish my environment.
Roughly 10% of those might be said to be "about MATE". But the 
underlying question in most of those questions is about the OS but the 
DE strongly influences what was observed.
Does that make sense.

I don't see a strong need for another mailing list. YMMV

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#236534

On 6/26/21 2:07 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 27/6/21 4:30 am, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> Can icons placed on desktop be in a regular geometric pattern.
>> I think it tries to do that. But over the years I've had differing 
>> monitor geometries. Does operator have any control over where next 
>> icon is placed?
>>
>> Just curious ;/
>> TIA
>>
>
> But, with MATE, whilst a Debian-mate mailing lists exists, to which 
> reference was made, in response to a previous thread involving a query 
> about MATE running on Debian, the Debian-mate list appears to have 
> posts relating to only bug reports, and, announcements or security 
> announcements.
>
true, not as I would expect.
>
> The question then arises - would it be worthwhile, to start a users 
> mailing list, for MATE desktop interface (and applications that are 
> part of the MATE environment), to deal with MATE users across 
> different platforms?
>
yes, a Debian mate user list would be quite welcome
>
>
> So, I wonder about the worthwhileness (?) of setting up a new MATE 
> users mailing list.
I do see questions here about other platforms, and Mate, but they kinda 
get lost.

one needs watch daily, or more often.

UbuntuMATE is quite different, they don't use the full suite of Mate 
apps, using odd (to me) substitute...and continues to go their own way.

Most of the Ubuntu derivatives do the same, often loosing functions and 
features in the process.

a more central location for Mate specific Q&A would be welcome

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#236522 — Resolved: Can MATE DE be attractive as well as functional

On 06/26/2021 03:30 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> Can icons placed on desktop be in a regular geometric pattern.
> I think it tries to do that. But over the years I've had differing 
> monitor geometries. Does operator have any control over where next icon 
> is placed?
> 
> Just curious ;/
> TIA

I received an off-list reply saying, in part:
> 
> "Organise desktop by name" from the desktop (right click) menu results
> in a broadly rectangular formation of icons, but doesn't seem to impose
> alphabetical order as might be expected, nor indeed any afaics, at least
> in Buster.  You may know this already, and the "keep aligned" option
> (to keep new icons in the pattern or some future point of it), though the
> space between the desktop left edge and the top and left of the first icon
> row is unequal.

That solved my problem.

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#236533 — Re: Resolved: Can MATE DE be attractive as well as functional

On 6/27/21 3:52 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 06/26/2021 03:30 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> Can icons placed on desktop be in a regular geometric pattern.
>> I think it tries to do that. But over the years I've had differing 
>> monitor geometries. Does operator have any control over where next 
>> icon is placed?
>>
>> Just curious ;/
>> TIA
>
> I received an off-list reply saying, in part:
>>
>> "Organise desktop by name" from the desktop (right click) menu results
>> in a broadly rectangular formation of icons, but doesn't seem to impose
>> alphabetical order as might be expected, nor indeed any afaics, at least
>> in Buster.  You may know this already, and the "keep aligned" option
>> (to keep new icons in the pattern or some future point of it), though 
>> the
>> space between the desktop left edge and the top and left of the first 
>> icon
>> row is unequal.
>
> That solved my problem.
>
>
Interesting.  I just tried that, first the "keep aligned" toggle and 
then the "organize by name" function.
at first it seemed OK, a widely spaced grid and first folders (and 
shortcuts to folders) alphabetically, then files alphabetically.
then I deleted a few and created some new ones. The results were not as 
expected...

"keep aligned" needs to be run again if you want that pattern. I do not.

yes, it would be handy to have new icons fall in a logical and 
predictable location.

* perhaps a feature request upstream is in order.

>
>

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#236530

On 6/26/21 1:30 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> Can icons placed on desktop be in a regular geometric pattern.
> I think it tries to do that. But over the years I've had differing 
> monitor geometries. Does operator have any control over where next 
> icon is placed?
to my knowledge no.

there is the "organize by name" function and the "keep aligned" toggle.
yes, it would be handy to have new icons fall in a more predictable 
location.
>
> Just curious ;/
> TIA
>
>
>
>
>

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