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  HTML syntax. peter@easthope.ca - 2021-05-03 18:10 +0200
    Re: HTML syntax. Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-05-03 18:40 +0200
    Re: HTML syntax. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-05-03 18:40 +0200
    Re: HTML syntax. Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-05-03 18:40 +0200
    Re: HTML syntax. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-03 21:00 +0200
      Re: HTML syntax. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-05-03 21:50 +0200
        Re: HTML syntax. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-04 00:00 +0200
          Re: HTML syntax. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-05-04 09:10 +0200
            Re: HTML syntax. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-04 10:40 +0200
              Re: HTML syntax. Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-05-04 10:50 +0200
                Re: HTML syntax. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-04 16:40 +0200
              [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-05-04 11:20 +0200
                Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2021-05-04 16:00 +0200
                  Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-04 16:30 +0200
                    Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2021-05-04 18:40 +0200
                    Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2021-05-05 01:10 +0200
                      Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2021-05-05 09:10 +0200
                        Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-05 09:30 +0200
                          Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2021-05-05 09:50 +0200
                        Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-05-05 10:00 +0200
                          Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-05 10:20 +0200
                            Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-05-05 10:40 +0200
                              Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-05 13:50 +0200
                          Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2021-05-05 10:30 +0200
                            Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-05-05 11:30 +0200
                          Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-05-05 13:20 +0200
                      Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-05 09:20 +0200
    Re: HTML syntax. rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-05-04 19:30 +0200
      Re: HTML syntax. peter@easthope.ca - 2021-05-07 01:10 +0200
        Re: HTML syntax. Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-05-07 01:30 +0200

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#234855 — Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax.

Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> We had cases of self-censoring which led to depublication. I remember
> the song "Meine Oma ist 'ne alte Umweltsau" (= "My granny is an old
> environmental hog"), sung by a children choir and produced by TV station
> WDR in 2019. That video was retracted after conservative politicians
> complained about the insult towards their main voter group.
>
https://www.sueddeutsche.de/medien/wdr-umweltsau-kinderchor-satire-1.4738637
> 
> But i really do not see any such censoring with the video about
> environmental problems with electrical cars. It was aired and then
> available for two months. Business as good or bad as ever.

But it was on youtube and was removed and I could not find it

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#234857 — Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax.

Hi,

i wrote:
> > i really do not see any such censoring with the video about
> > environmental problems with electrical cars.

deloptes wrote:
> But it was on youtube and was removed and I could not find it

I agree that it is not people-friendly to try preventing the use of a video
after it was depublicated by state TV. The concept of Depublication is
technically an unrealistic fiction and also a blow to the payers of state TV
fees ("Rundfunkgebuehren").

Given the german judicial principles, the owner (ZDF, as of Michael Lange's
report here) is obliged to use all reasonable means to enforce its legally
obliged decision to depublicate the video. So i assume they use their
copyright claim towards Youtube and others as tool to show this reasonable
effort.

I see no indication that the content of the video was the reason for its
depublication. Such content driven depublication happens from time to
time, but not silently. Usually it rather enhances the public impact of the
disliked message.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#234864 — Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax.

Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> I agree that it is not people-friendly to try preventing the use of a
> video after it was depublicated by state TV. The concept of Depublication
> is technically an unrealistic fiction and also a blow to the payers of
> state TV fees ("Rundfunkgebuehren").
> 
> Given the german judicial principles, the owner (ZDF, as of Michael
> Lange's report here) is obliged to use all reasonable means to enforce its
> legally obliged decision to depublicate the video. So i assume they use
> their copyright claim towards Youtube and others as tool to show this
> reasonable effort.
> 
> I see no indication that the content of the video was the reason for its
> depublication. Such content driven depublication happens from time to
> time, but not silently. Usually it rather enhances the public impact of
> the disliked message.

I understand the general part and partially agree - though it is disputable
if such lows ("Rundfunkgebuehren") are contemporary.
For this specific documentary I do not know, because there are many other
documentaries on YT that are still available.
It is very hard to not slip into conspiracy because even in the documentary
they say that the studies performed by the French Government, VW and Audi
showed that such vehicles become green after 200000km and that the media
refused to publish the studies, because it is damageing the image of EVs.

Anyway - I was trying to not download any video I like, but just to bookmark
the link to the video. This story here emerged from the sneaking
dictatorship of big corporations and governments and went off line.

There is definitely less freedom than in 2007. There is more spying,
censorship and aggression from left and right.

As for the HTML5 it is obviously hard to make a parser (there are roughly 2
engines that can handle HTML5 well) so there is also less freedom here.

Hence my conclusion that we enter middle/dark ages of modern world

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#234856 — Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax.

Hi,

On Wed, 05 May 2021 09:51:59 +0200
"Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> wrote:

(...)
> The reason for not eternally offering videos for download is in the
> legal framework of german state TV. (In german:
> "Rundfunkstaatsvertrag", now "Medienstaatsvertrag".)
> 
> State run TV collects mandatory fees from all households for the purpose
> of broadcasting radio and TV. When the internet became important for
> publishing, the private german newspaper publishers and TV stations
> objected that the state run TV used those fees for financing a strong
> web appearance. The compromise, which is now law, was the rule that
> videos and audio are publicly available only for a limited time.
>   https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96ffentlich-rechtlicher_Rundfunk#Engagement_im_Internet
>   https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depublizieren
> 

I know, but that does not really explain why they bother to block
third-party uploads on yt, there are lots of material there hwre they
apparently don't care, like these two quickly collected examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhGC1O0gZNI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnH10TfhkOQ

> We had cases of self-censoring which led to depublication. I remember
> the song "Meine Oma ist 'ne alte Umweltsau" (= "My granny is an old
> environmental hog"), sung by a children choir and produced by TV station
> WDR in 2019. That video was retracted after conservative politicians
> complained about the insult towards their main voter group.
>   https://www.sueddeutsche.de/medien/wdr-umweltsau-kinderchor-satire-1.4738637

Yeah, I remember that one, and particularly its aftermath; is there an
English word for "Realsatire"? Priceless! :-)

Still seems to be available on yt, though.

> 
> But i really do not see any such censoring with the video about
> environmental problems with electrical cars. It was aired and then
> available for two months. Business as good or bad as ever.

Sure, I agree about that. For some reason they care enough to make yt
block the video for Germany, but that has nothing to do with
"censorship". It think it might even be possible that they found enough
factual errors in the film that they prefer to withdraw it.

Regards

Michael

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#234858 — Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax.

Hi,

i wrote:
> > the song "Meine Oma ist 'ne alte Umweltsau" (= "My granny is an old
> > environmental hog"), sung by a children choir

Michael Lange wrote:
> Still seems to be available on yt, though.

Legally it could now be "Zeitgeschichte" (= "contemporary history") and
thus be exempted from the obligation to depublish it.
But since WDR as the copyright owner retracted it, it rather could be due
to the technical unfeasability of depublication.

My best theory is that they have a good media consultant who told them
that any publicly visible attention to this song would start a new wave
of ridiculing the wobbly backbone of WDR.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#234860 — Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax.

On Wed, 05 May 2021 09:51:59 +0200
"Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> wrote:


> 
> But i really do not see any such censoring with the video about
> environmental problems with electrical cars. It was aired and then
> available for two months. Business as good or bad as ever.
> 

Even the WEF are fairly upfront about it:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/03/the-dirty-secret-of-electric-vehicles/

-- 
Joe

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#234850 — Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax.

Felmon Davis wrote:

> I got intrigued (and again apologies for my error!) and weird but I
> found it here: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6gCdCC-HWo>.
> 
> I'm pretty sure it's the right video but check.
> 
> also I wonder if the link will work for you.

Cool. This is great help - THANK YOU! Downloading now. And for the future, I
will be downloading all the videos. I have been downloading only from time
to time.

The question remains - was it removed on purpose and why the
Green-Lobby-Trolls have their videos online.

The link works, I am not in China :) thanks again

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#234821

On Monday, May 03, 2021 11:44:41 AM peter@easthope.ca wrote:
> Is there an editor which checks that HTML opening and closing tags are
> paired and nested properly.  An opening tag without matching close, a
> closing tag without matching open and crossed tags should be flagged
> by line number or color.
> 
> Preferably an editor with minimal overhead of installation and
> configuration.

I think any editor with syntax highlighting will help you with that -- exactly 
what it tells you may depend on how the syntax highlighter is designed -- in 
general, if you are expecting something to be syntax highlighted as, for 
example, a heading, if the either the starting or ending markup for the header 
is missing or incorrect, that part will not be properly highlighted.

I use kde and occasionally (and in the future) plan to use editors based on 
Scintilla.  I use my own syntax highlighter "definition" for my own markup 
language, but both of those have syntax highlighters for HTML.

Scintilla is used as the editing component (text entry and display) of quite a 
few editors, among them Geany (there is a list somewhere of maybe up to 100, 
not sure all of them still exist (or ever existed "in the wild").

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#234951

    From: rhkramer@gmail.com
    Date: Tue, 4 May 2021 13:20:31 -0400
> Scintilla is used as the editing component (text entry and display) of quite a 
> few editors, among them Geany (there is a list somewhere of maybe up to 100, 
> not sure all of them still exist (or ever existed "in the wild").

Thanks.  I installed Geany and it colors HTML syntax.  Definitely helpful.

Mousepad has View > Color Scheme > {None, Classic, Cobalt, ... }.
None is the only color scheme it will retain. 

Does mousepad need another module for color schemes to work?

Thanks again,                           ... P.

-- 
tel: +1 604 670 0140            Bcc: peter at easthope. ca

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#234952

On 07-05-2021 08:17, peter@easthope.ca wrote:
> From: rhkramer@gmail.com
>     Date: Tue, 4 May 2021 13:20:31 -0400
>> Scintilla is used as the editing component (text entry and display) of quite a
>> few editors, among them Geany (there is a list somewhere of maybe up to 100,
>> not sure all of them still exist (or ever existed "in the wild").
> 
> Thanks.  I installed Geany and it colors HTML syntax.  Definitely helpful.
> 
> Mousepad has View > Color Scheme > {None, Classic, Cobalt, ... }.
> None is the only color scheme it will retain. 
> 
> Does mousepad need another module for color schemes to work?

Bluefish supplies all of this: in the repositories.
Cheers!

Harry.

-- 
`The first stage of fascism should more appropriately be called
Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power'.
-- Mussolini

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