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support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso

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  support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Sriram <vsram01@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-14 08:10 +0200
    Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-09-14 08:50 +0200
      Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Sriram <vsram01@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-14 11:50 +0200
        Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-09-14 12:30 +0200
        Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Sriram <vsram01@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-14 12:40 +0200
          Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Sriram <vsram01@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-16 07:30 +0200
            Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 09:50 +0200
              Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-09-16 11:50 +0200
              Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-09-16 15:10 +0200
                Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-09-17 00:50 +0200
                  Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-09-17 01:20 +0200
        Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-09-14 16:10 +0200
          Re: was: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-09-14 17:50 +0200
            mdadm RAID and the Bullseye installer Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-09-14 19:00 +0200
              Re: mdadm RAID and the Bullseye installer Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-09-14 19:30 +0200
            Re: was: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-09-14 19:20 +0200
              Re: was: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-09-14 19:50 +0200
                Re: was: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-09-15 09:20 +0200
        Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-09-14 16:40 +0200
    Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-09-14 09:10 +0200
    Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-09-14 13:30 +0200
      Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-09-14 16:00 +0200
        Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-09-14 20:00 +0200
          Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-09-15 09:30 +0200
            Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-09-15 16:00 +0200
              Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 06:10 +0200
    Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-09-14 13:40 +0200
      Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-09-14 14:00 +0200
        Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-09-14 15:30 +0200

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#239967

FromJoe <joe@jretrading.com>
Date2021-09-14 13:30 +0200
Message-ID<CXeNs-3un-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#239955
On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 05:50:53 +0000 (UTC)
Sriram <vsram01@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Team
> Please include support for xfce in the minimal bullseye netinst iso
> file. The existing file dose not include xfce and it is a pain to use
> the xfce without GUI
> 
> Earlier editions like buster included xfce in the minimal install
> file.
> 

I used an ordinary netinstall image, not described as 'minimal'. Xfce
was certainly listed among the desktop environments, and it installed
without problems on a very old laptop.

But all the netinstalls pull most of their software from the Net, as
the name implies. 'Support' for a desktop in a netinstall is no more
than an entry in a text list. Even without that, a console-only
installation can be made and Xfce and supporting graphics can be
installed normally, though not as conveniently.

I will soon be installing unstable starting from a console-only
bullseye, upgrading at that point and only then loading what I want,
including GUI and Xfce.

-- 
Joe

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#239972

FromAndrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
Date2021-09-14 16:00 +0200
Message-ID<CXh8B-4Tx-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#239967

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On Ma, 14 sep 21, 12:27:34, Joe wrote:
> 
> I will soon be installing unstable starting from a console-only
> bullseye, upgrading at that point and only then loading what I want,
> including GUI and Xfce.

The mini.iso can be used to install unstable directly.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#239982

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2021-09-14 20:00 +0200
Message-ID<CXkSS-7eW-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#239972
On Tue 14 Sep 2021 at 16:50:15 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Ma, 14 sep 21, 12:27:34, Joe wrote:
> > 
> > I will soon be installing unstable starting from a console-only
> > bullseye, upgrading at that point and only then loading what I want,
> > including GUI and Xfce.
> 
> The mini.iso can be used to install unstable directly.

I have used this technique many times over ethernet. It deserves to be
more widely known.

-- 
Brian.

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#239999

FromAndrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
Date2021-09-15 09:30 +0200
Message-ID<CXxwK-6EV-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Ma, 14 sep 21, 18:55:20, Brian wrote:
> On Tue 14 Sep 2021 at 16:50:15 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> 
> > On Ma, 14 sep 21, 12:27:34, Joe wrote:
> > > 
> > > I will soon be installing unstable starting from a console-only
> > > bullseye, upgrading at that point and only then loading what I want,
> > > including GUI and Xfce.
> > 
> > The mini.iso can be used to install unstable directly.
> 
> I have used this technique many times over ethernet. It deserves to be
> more widely known.

Meybe the mini.iso deserves a dedicated page in the Wiki or something. 

It's the only image I know of that can:

 * install unstable directly
 
 * install to the same storage device it is (was) on
   
   (very convenient for installs on brand new systems or USB storage)

As mentioned in another thread, it also provides a partition to copy any  
necessary firmware[1], so it should cover just about every installation 
need provided the network interface is supported.

Did I mention the size is just 48 Mib (74 if you want a graphical 
install) for bullseye, amd64?

[1] the big .tar.gz or just individual packages if you know exactly 
which ones you need.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#240012

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2021-09-15 16:00 +0200
Message-ID<CXDCa-1NZ-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#239999
On Wed 15 Sep 2021 at 10:22:55 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Ma, 14 sep 21, 18:55:20, Brian wrote:
> > On Tue 14 Sep 2021 at 16:50:15 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> > > On Ma, 14 sep 21, 12:27:34, Joe wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I will soon be installing unstable starting from a console-only
> > > > bullseye, upgrading at that point and only then loading what I want,
> > > > including GUI and Xfce.
> > >
> > > The mini.iso can be used to install unstable directly.
> >
> > I have used this technique many times over ethernet. It deserves to be
> > more widely known.
>
> Meybe the mini.iso deserves a dedicated page in the Wiki or something.

Maybe. Something to think about.

> It's the only image I know of that can:
>
>  * install unstable directly
>
>  * install to the same storage device it is (was) on
>
>    (very convenient for installs on brand new systems or USB storage)
>
> As mentioned in another thread, it also provides a partition to copy any
> necessary firmware[1], so it should cover just about every installation
> need provided the network interface is supported.
>
> Did I mention the size is just 48 Mib (74 if you want a graphical
> install) for bullseye, amd64?
>
> [1] the big .tar.gz or just individual packages if you know exactly
> which ones you need.

The mini.iso is the responsibility of the d-i team, not the images
team. Discussion or issues with it should go to debian-boot rather
than debian-cd.

One thing to be aware of is that, after a network connection is set
up, everything else is downloaded from the network. This includes
parts of the installer itself. Should a new version of the installer
be released, the image will break.

A second issue is if the kernel and its modules in the archive are
updated. The image is tied to the versions of the kernel and modules
that it was built with and will not match what is in the archive.
Breakage again.

The recommended way to avoid any issue is to use a daily image:

  https://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/

-- 
Brian.

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#240033

FromAndrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
Date2021-09-16 06:10 +0200
Message-ID<CXQSJ-1zL-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Mi, 15 sep 21, 14:58:49, Brian wrote:
> 
> A second issue is if the kernel and its modules in the archive are
> updated. The image is tied to the versions of the kernel and modules
> that it was built with and will not match what is in the archive.
> Breakage again.
> 
> The recommended way to avoid any issue is to use a daily image:
> 
>   https://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/

The stable image should be fine most of the time.

Even if the kernels are regularly updated, this is done via the 
-security archive, as far as I know the kernel in the "regular" archive 
is updated only at point releases.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#239968

From"Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com>
Date2021-09-14 13:40 +0200
Message-ID<CXeX7-3xX-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#239955
On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 05:50:53AM +0000, Sriram wrote:
> Hi Team
> Please include support for xfce in the minimal bullseye netinst iso file.
> The existing file dose not include xfce and it is a pain to use the xfce without GUI
> 
> Earlier editions like buster included xfce in the minimal install file.
> 

Hi Sriram,

There's no specific support for any desktop in the netinst size file.
As mentioned in one of the other replies to this thread - it's too big
for a CD now and, given the usage of these and the effort of producing
and testing images the media release team have cut down on the number of
discrete images produced for Bullseye [Debian 11] and going forward.

You can grab a netinst and isntall any desktop you want. You can grab a DVD
size image and should be able to install xfce without any further network 
access. If a DVD image is too big to download in and of itself, there are
tools like jigdo which will allow you to build the media images from 
individual packages - but require some network access.

If your network aaccess is severely limited, you may need to think carefully
about how you use Debian - security updates come out regularly, for example.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

[Who is also part of the media team for release testing]

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#239969

From"Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net>
Date2021-09-14 14:00 +0200
Message-ID<CXfgu-3Gl-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#239968
Hi,

Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> If a DVD image is too big to download in and of itself, there are
> tools like jigdo which will allow you to build the media images from
> individual packages

Jigdo does not support the composition of new images.
The .template file inflates to the size of the ISO image for which it
was produced. This inflated file contains holes into which jigdo-lite
inserts .deb packages which it downloads according to the .jigdo file.

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Another idea to get a smaller XFCE capable image:

One could use the "modifying" use case of xorriso to strip down a
DVD sized image by removing packages which will surely not be needed.

  xorriso -indev debian-11.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso \
          -outdev my_new_debian_11.iso \
          -rm ...paths.in.the.ISO... -- \
          -boot_image any replay

(Note that this time it is "replay" not "keep" with the -boot_image
command. "keep" works only with multi-session, which always enlarges ISOs
even if files get removed/hidden.)

Above method would avoid the need to download dozens of .deb files which
are needed for XFCE. But it imposes the need to download a whole DVD sized
image.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#239970

From"Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com>
Date2021-09-14 15:30 +0200
Message-ID<CXgFA-4JL-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#239969
On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 01:56:23PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > If a DVD image is too big to download in and of itself, there are
> > tools like jigdo which will allow you to build the media images from
> > individual packages
> 
> Jigdo does not support the composition of new images.
> The .template file inflates to the size of the ISO image for which it
> was produced. This inflated file contains holes into which jigdo-lite
> inserts .deb packages which it downloads according to the .jigdo file.
> 

No, but it does allow you to get a DVD sized image over a number 
of days or a much longer period by connecting as/when you can or taking
the opportunity of a higher bandwidth connection somewhere as and 
when available.

I have good internet bandwidth here so not a problem - but the fact that
jigdo is restartable at any point is a plus if you're obliged to use it.

All best,

Andy C.


> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Another idea to get a smaller XFCE capable image:
> 
> One could use the "modifying" use case of xorriso to strip down a
> DVD sized image by removing packages which will surely not be needed.
> 
>   xorriso -indev debian-11.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso \
>           -outdev my_new_debian_11.iso \
>           -rm ...paths.in.the.ISO... -- \
>           -boot_image any replay
> 
> (Note that this time it is "replay" not "keep" with the -boot_image
> command. "keep" works only with multi-session, which always enlarges ISOs
> even if files get removed/hidden.)
> 
> Above method would avoid the need to download dozens of .deb files which
> are needed for XFCE. But it imposes the need to download a whole DVD sized
> image.
> 
> 
> Have a nice day :)
> 
> Thomas
>

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