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smart fans

Started byEmanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu>
First post2021-08-22 02:00 +0200
Last post2021-08-24 11:20 +0200
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  smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 02:00 +0200
    Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 02:50 +0200
      Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 03:10 +0200
        Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 05:00 +0200
          Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 05:10 +0200
        Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 05:10 +0200
          Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 05:30 +0200
            Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-08-22 07:30 +0200
              Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 08:30 +0200
                Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:30 +0200
                Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-08-22 12:10 +0200
                  Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 13:30 +0200
                Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 15:20 +0200
                  Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 16:30 +0200
                    Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 18:50 +0200
            FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 07:30 +0200
    Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-22 09:10 +0200
      Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 09:50 +0200
        Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-22 10:00 +0200
          Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:10 +0200
            Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 10:10 +0200
              Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:20 +0200
            Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 10:30 +0200
              Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:50 +0200
                Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 15:10 +0200
                  Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 16:10 +0200
                    Re: smart fans The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-08-22 16:10 +0200
                      Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 16:20 +0200
                    Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 18:50 +0200
        Re: smart fans Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2021-08-22 17:30 +0200
          Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 17:50 +0200
    Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-22 09:50 +0200
      Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:00 +0200
        Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 10:20 +0200
        Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-22 10:30 +0200
          Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:40 +0200
          Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 10:40 +0200
            Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 10:40 +0200
              Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:50 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 11:30 +0200
                  Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 11:50 +0200
                    Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 15:10 +0200
                  Re: smart fans didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2021-08-22 11:50 +0200
                  Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 15:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2021-08-22 11:30 +0200
            Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 11:00 +0200
              Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 15:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-22 15:50 +0200
                  Re: smart fans rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-08-22 16:10 +0200
                    Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 16:50 +0200
                  Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 16:10 +0200
                    Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-22 16:30 +0200
                    Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 18:50 +0200
                      Re: smart fans Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-22 23:10 +0200
                        Re: smart fans Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-23 00:20 +0200
                  Re: smart fans "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-08-22 16:30 +0200
                  Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 18:50 +0200
                    Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 19:00 +0200
                  Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-22 23:10 +0200
                    Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-23 10:10 +0200
                      Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 21:10 +0200
                        Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-23 21:10 +0200
                      Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-23 21:30 +0200
                        Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-23 21:40 +0200
                          Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 22:30 +0200
                          Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 00:30 +0200
              Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-22 22:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 23:20 +0200
        Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-22 21:30 +0200
          Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 22:00 +0200
            Re: smart fans didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2021-08-22 23:20 +0200
              Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 23:40 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-22 23:50 +0200
                  Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-23 00:40 +0200
                Re: smart fans didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2021-08-23 09:30 +0200
          Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 22:20 +0200
            Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-22 23:10 +0200
              Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 23:30 +0200
          Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 23:50 +0200
            Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-23 00:10 +0200
              Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 02:00 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 02:10 +0200
                  Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 02:40 +0200
                    Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 03:00 +0200
                      Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-23 03:30 +0200
                        Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 21:00 +0200
                          Re: smart fans "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-08-24 18:20 +0200
                            Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 23:00 +0200
                      Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-23 03:30 +0200
                        Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 21:00 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-23 03:20 +0200
                  Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 21:00 +0200
                    Re: smart fans "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-08-23 22:50 +0200
                      Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 23:00 +0200
                        Re: smart fans "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-08-23 23:30 +0200
                          Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 00:50 +0200
                            Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 01:30 +0200
                            Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 02:30 +0200
                              Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 03:00 +0200
                              Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 04:30 +0200
                                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 05:20 +0200
                                  Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 09:00 +0200
                                    Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 23:20 +0200
                                      Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 23:40 +0200
                      Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 00:40 +0200
                    Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 00:20 +0200
                      Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 02:10 +0200
                        Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 04:00 +0200
                          Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 07:30 +0200
                            Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 09:50 +0200
                              Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-25 00:20 +0200
                                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-25 01:30 +0200
                                  Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-29 01:00 +0200
                                    Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-29 12:00 +0200
                                      Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-09-04 00:10 +0200
                                        Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-09-04 03:50 +0200
                                          Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-09-04 04:50 +0200
                                            Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-09-04 23:00 +0200
                                              Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-09-07 03:10 +0200
                                                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-09-07 23:20 +0200
                      Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 11:20 +0200

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#239146

FromPolyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com>
Date2021-08-22 10:10 +0200
Message-ID<COQIj-7lQ-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#239145

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On 2021-08-22 4:02 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote:
> tomas wrote:
> 
>>> There are no working fan sensors, all readings are 0.
>>> Make sure you have a 3-wire fan connected.
>>                       ^^^^^^
>> Well?
> 
> I'm sure!
> 
>> This would be the first thing to clear. If your hardware
>> doesn't play along... game over :-/
> 
> Yeah, but if so, why doesn't it?
> 

Why doesn't it ?
Because it is not implemented, because the builder of your motherboard
made this choice...

A two wire fan can't control the speed of the fan properly.
It needs a three wire fan.


-- 
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-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#239147

FromEmanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu>
Date2021-08-22 10:20 +0200
Message-ID<COQRX-7p9-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#239146
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:

>>> This would be the first thing to clear. If your hardware
>>> doesn't play along... game over :-/
>> 
>> Yeah, but if so, why doesn't it?
>
> Why doesn't it? Because it is not implemented, because the
> builder of your motherboard made this choice...
>
> A two wire fan can't control the speed of the fan properly.
> It needs a three wire fan.

The fans have 3 wires.

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https://dataswamp.org/~incal

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#239151

FromPolyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com>
Date2021-08-22 10:30 +0200
Message-ID<COR1E-7s6-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#239145

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On 2021-08-22 4:02 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote:
> tomas wrote:
> 
>>> There are no working fan sensors, all readings are 0.
>>> Make sure you have a 3-wire fan connected.
>>                       ^^^^^^
>> Well?
> 
> I'm sure!
> 
>> This would be the first thing to clear. If your hardware
>> doesn't play along... game over :-/
> 
> Yeah, but if so, why doesn't it?
> 

Your motherboard *seems* to have it's own way of dealing with the fan
controls. Here's what the docs says :

- Fan Xpert 4 featuring Fan Auto Tuning function and multiple
thermistors  selection for optimized system cooling control

I find it somewhat pretty ironic here, normally gamer rig would be water
cooled and have multi colored fan with nice led.

You are trying to get rid of the fans !

There's a unique reason why gamer modify their system and use water
cooling or many other way to get rid of heat.

Because gamer rig normally produce hell of heat.

Like already explained by others, if you want to persist in this vein,
you can always install your own thermistors and fan, and control these
yourself the same way you'd control some type of hardware device with a
GPIO or I2C bus driven setup.

But seems that the standard software doesn't play along.

Probably your board has it's own proprietary way of managing the fans
instead of using the normal way of reporting sensor. Normal way being
what is set in standards and compatible between brands.

Often on those type of budget motherboard, they'll cut the cost by using
unconventional way of doing thing. If it's possible to cut the chip
driving the I2C (1 wire bus) used to drive the fan then they'll do so.

I think you got all the information at hand now.

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#239155

FromEmanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu>
Date2021-08-22 10:50 +0200
Message-ID<CORl0-7z8-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#239151
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:

> I think you got all the information at hand now.

pwmconfig fails but the error message doesn't add up.

Or what's this about fan-divisors?

  You may also need to increase the fan divisors.
  See doc/fan-divisors for more information.

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https://dataswamp.org/~incal

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#239166

FromPolyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com>
Date2021-08-22 15:10 +0200
Message-ID<COVoB-1JB-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On 2021-08-22 4:36 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> 
>> I think you got all the information at hand now.
> 
> pwmconfig fails but the error message doesn't add up.
> 
> Or what's this about fan-divisors?
> 
>   You may also need to increase the fan divisors.
>   See doc/fan-divisors for more information.
> 
See *doc/fan-divisors* for more information.

Maybe going out and reading this one ?
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Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#239172

FromEmanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu>
Date2021-08-22 16:10 +0200
Message-ID<COWkF-2iK-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#239166
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:

>> Or what's this about fan-divisors?
>> 
>>   You may also need to increase the fan divisors.
>>   See doc/fan-divisors for more information.
>> 
> See *doc/fan-divisors* for more information.

Yeah, but is that supposed to be a path? Or button? What does
it mean?

> Maybe going out and reading this one ?

Not impossible.

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https://dataswamp.org/~incal

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#239174

FromThe Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm>
Date2021-08-22 16:10 +0200
Message-ID<COWkG-2iK-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On 2021-08-22 at 10:00, Emanuel Berg wrote:

> Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> 
>>> Or what's this about fan-divisors?
>>> 
>>>   You may also need to increase the fan divisors.
>>>   See doc/fan-divisors for more information.
>>> 
>> See *doc/fan-divisors* for more information.
> 
> Yeah, but is that supposed to be a path? Or button? What does
> it mean?

It's clearly a reference to a path in the source, or native
non-Debian-packaged build, tree of some relevant package.

With that as the basis:

$ dlocate fan-divisors
lm-sensors: /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/fan-divisors.gz

So apparently this is part of lm-sensors, and in order to adhere to the
Debian-packaging filesystem layout, the packagers move its doc/
directory to be /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.         -- George Bernard Shaw

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#239176

FromEmanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu>
Date2021-08-22 16:20 +0200
Message-ID<COWum-2mj-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#239174
The Wanderer wrote:

>>> See *doc/fan-divisors* for more information.
>> 
>> Yeah, but is that supposed to be a path? Or button?
>> What does it mean?
>
> It's clearly a reference to a path in the source, or native
> non-Debian-packaged build, tree of some relevant package.

OK, didn't know this notation/convention ... yes, I have it.

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#239192

FromPolyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com>
Date2021-08-22 18:50 +0200
Message-ID<COYPw-3Mb-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On 2021-08-22 10:00 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> 
>>> Or what's this about fan-divisors?
>>>
>>>   You may also need to increase the fan divisors.
>>>   See doc/fan-divisors for more information.
>>>
>> See *doc/fan-divisors* for more information.
> 
> Yeah, but is that supposed to be a path? Or button? What does
> it mean?
It means to go read in /usr/share/doc/[name of the package]/

Debian copies the doc folder into /usr/share/doc/[package name]
> 
>> Maybe going out and reading this one ?
> 
> Not impossible.
> 

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#239184

FromHans <hans.ullrich@loop.de>
Date2021-08-22 17:30 +0200
Message-ID<COXA6-31G-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#239142

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Am Sonntag, 22. August 2021, 09:42:20 CEST schrieb Emanuel Berg:
Just a little hint: On my EEEPC for example, pwmconfig and fancontrol did not 
work, as it is loading the wrong module.

This can be fixed with a kernel param, that let load another kernel module, 
which is supporting pwmconfig and fancontrol.

Just a little info, but I believe, all modern cpus are now using the same 
kernel module, maybe just my old EEEPC does not.

However, I just wanted to mention this thing.

Happy hacking

Hans

> tomas wrote:
> > Start here [1]. Enjoy.
> > 
> > [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fan_speed_control
> 
> Yes, but ...
> 
> $ sudo pwmconfig
> # pwmconfig version 3.6.0
> This program will search your sensors for pulse width
> modulation (pwm) controls, and test each one to see if it
> controls a fan on your motherboard. Note that many
> motherboards do not have pwm circuitry installed, even if your
> sensor chip supports pwm.
> 

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#239185

FromEmanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu>
Date2021-08-22 17:50 +0200
Message-ID<COXTr-38e-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#239184
OK, I was wrong, I just checked the motherboard with
a flashlight and there are fan connectors with 4 pins! I also
checked my sock drawer and - holy socks! - I found a computer
fan from AMD, it comes with a cooling tower as well so I think
it's for the CPU, anyway it has a 4-wire! So I'll just connect
it (someplace else) and see what happens. No wonder the
BIOS/UEFI had PWM and not DC the default. Let's see what
pwmconfig says now... 1s

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#239141

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2021-08-22 09:50 +0200
Message-ID<COQoV-6VM-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#239127
On 8/21/21 4:53 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> o/
> 
> Is there a way to have "smart fans" that only go as fast
> as needed?
> 
> Or, lacking that, is there a way to manually switch them off
> when one isn't using the computer?
> 
> I do
> 
>    $ sudo hibernate -v 0
> 
> but that seems to kill the Internet connection as well :(
> 
> I managed to output the GPU/CPU temperature like this
> 
>    #! /bin/zsh
>    # https://dataswamp.org/~incal/conf/.zsh/misc-hw
>    temperature () {
>        local gpu=$(sensors -j | jq -a '.["nouveau-pci-0100"].temp1.temp1_input')
>        local cpu=$(sensors -j | jq -a '.["k10temp-pci-00c3"].Tdie.temp1_input')
>        echo "GPU ${gpu}C"
>        echo "cpu ${cpu}C"
>    }
>    alias temp=temperature
> 
> Perhaps one should leave those on?
> 
> But I also have, connected to the motherboard
> 
>    fan     front low           be quiet! Shadow Wings 2  140 mm
>            front high          be quiet! Shadow Wings 2  140 mm
>            CPU cooling tower   be quiet! Pure Wings 2    120 mm  (2)
>            rear                Corsair                   120 mm
>            projector extra     fractal Silent Series R3  140 mm
>    <https://dataswamp.org/~incal/ebchw/COMPUTER>
> 
> Can I reduce their speeds/turn them off from software?


If you throttle your CPU, it will not generate as much heat:

     https://wiki.debian.org/CpuFrequencyScaling


Some motherboards have temperature sensors, firmware, and fan connectors 
(e.g. 4-pin) that can control the fan speed(s) according to measured 
temperatures and firmware settings, provided that you have compatible 
fans.  Check your hardware, motherboard technical manual, and firmware 
settings.


If your motherboard is lacking, another approach is to buy a chassis fan 
with a built-in temperature sensor and speed controller.  For example:

     https://www.arctic.de/en/f12tc


Yet another approach is to buy a hardware fan controller:

     https://www.thetechlounge.com/best-fan-controller/


David

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#239143

FromEmanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu>
Date2021-08-22 10:00 +0200
Message-ID<COQyB-6YX-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#239141
David Christensen wrote:

> If you throttle your CPU, it will not generate as much heat:
>
>     https://wiki.debian.org/CpuFrequencyScaling

You mean permanently or when I'm not using the computer?

> Some motherboards have temperature sensors

The GPU seems to be always 41C while the CPU shows a cycle of
some 34-47C.

> fan connectors (e.g. 4-pin)

Fan connectors are 3-pin!

> that can control the fan speed(s) according to measured
> temperatures and firmware settings, provided that you have
> compatible fans. Check your hardware [...]

The motherboard is Asus ROG Strix B450-F Gaming.

Fans are:

fan    front low           be quiet! Shadow Wings 2  140 mm
       front high          be quiet! Shadow Wings 2  140 mm
       CPU cooling tower   be quiet! Pure Wings 2    120 mm  (2)
       rear                Corsair                   120 mm
       projector extra     fractal Silent Series R3  140 mm

> firmware settings

Where are these? The BIOS/UEFI?

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#239148

FromPolyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com>
Date2021-08-22 10:20 +0200
Message-ID<COQRY-7p9-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On 2021-08-22 3:56 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote:
> David Christensen wrote:
> 
>> If you throttle your CPU, it will not generate as much heat:
>>
>>     https://wiki.debian.org/CpuFrequencyScaling
> 
> You mean permanently or when I'm not using the computer?

Have you read the wiki page regarding *frequency scaling* ?

Frequency scaling is a technique to lower the speed of your CPU.
The less fast your CPU runs, the less power it will consume.

As already explained, power and heat are inter-related.

So if it run less fast, you'll be producing less heat.

Not sure what you mean by *permanently* or *when not using computer*

You configure the governor to suit your needs.

Here's some info

http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/cpu-freq/governors.txt

http://www.pantz.org/software/cpufreq/usingcpufreqonlinux.html

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CPU_Frequency_Scaling

> 
>> Some motherboards have temperature sensors
> 
> The GPU seems to be always 41C while the CPU shows a cycle of
> some 34-47C.
> 
>> fan connectors (e.g. 4-pin)
> 
> Fan connectors are 3-pin!
> 
>> that can control the fan speed(s) according to measured
>> temperatures and firmware settings, provided that you have
>> compatible fans. Check your hardware [...]
> 
> The motherboard is Asus ROG Strix B450-F Gaming.
> 
> Fans are:
> 
> fan    front low           be quiet! Shadow Wings 2  140 mm
>        front high          be quiet! Shadow Wings 2  140 mm
>        CPU cooling tower   be quiet! Pure Wings 2    120 mm  (2)
>        rear                Corsair                   120 mm
>        projector extra     fractal Silent Series R3  140 mm
> 
>> firmware settings
> 
> Where are these? The BIOS/UEFI?
> 
firmware means either the BIOS/UEFI of your motherboard or the CPU
firmware itself. Depend on the context, in this case would be mostly
related to motherboard. But it's hard to say because you've only cited
this line.

-- 
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-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#239150

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2021-08-22 10:30 +0200
Message-ID<COR1E-7s6-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 09:56:19AM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote:

[...]
> Fan connectors are 3-pin!

Aha. So there's a chance.

But still your drivers don't seem to play along. Hm.

Ahem... it seems I was wrong: the third pin in three-pin conector seems
to be tacho (i.e. speed feedback), not PWM [1]. The PWM is the fourth
pin, which on a three-pin connector is the... oh, wait.

Whether three-pin fans can be even be RPM controlled is an open question
(the DC feed could be modulated, I guess, but I don't know whether it
is actually done).

Cheers

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_fan#Connectors

 - t

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#239152

FromEmanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu>
Date2021-08-22 10:40 +0200
Message-ID<CORbl-7vJ-31@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#239150
tomas wrote:

> Whether three-pin fans can be even be RPM controlled is an
> open question (the DC feed could be modulated, I guess, but
> I don't know whether it is actually done).

But then wouldn't pwmconfig ask for something other than
3-pin, perhaps something I don't have?

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#239153

FromPolyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com>
Date2021-08-22 10:40 +0200
Message-ID<CORbl-7vJ-33@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On 2021-08-22 4:23 a.m., tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 09:56:19AM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> 
> [...]
>> Fan connectors are 3-pin!
> 
> Aha. So there's a chance.
> 
> But still your drivers don't seem to play along. Hm.
> 
> Ahem... it seems I was wrong: the third pin in three-pin conector seems
> to be tacho (i.e. speed feedback), not PWM [1]. The PWM is the fourth
> pin, which on a three-pin connector is the... oh, wait.
> 
> Whether three-pin fans can be even be RPM controlled is an open question
> (the DC feed could be modulated, I guess, but I don't know whether it
> is actually done).
> 
And there's the question of the system used to drive the fan. Could be
proprietary and not open.

On budget motherboard, saving a chip is saving some cash and making profit.

The significant difference in practice is that 4-pin fans allow for RPM
to change based on the need for cooling temperature, this reduces noise
and power consumption. While 3-pin can control the voltage, but the
voltage can't turn to change the fan RPM at all and accurate as much as
4 pin fans. [2]

What Is the Difference Between Three- and Four-Pin CPU Fans? [3]



> Cheers
> 
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_fan#Connectors
> 
>  - t
> 


[2] https://digitalworld839.com/3-pin-vs-4-pin-fan-difference-between/

[3]
https://www.howtogeek.com/273575/what-is-the-difference-between-three-and-four-pin-cpu-fans/

-- 
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-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#239154

FromPolyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com>
Date2021-08-22 10:40 +0200
Message-ID<CORbl-7vJ-37@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On 2021-08-22 4:30 a.m., Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2021-08-22 4:23 a.m., tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
>> On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 09:56:19AM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>> Fan connectors are 3-pin!
>>
>> Aha. So there's a chance.
>>
>> But still your drivers don't seem to play along. Hm.
>>
>> Ahem... it seems I was wrong: the third pin in three-pin conector seems
>> to be tacho (i.e. speed feedback), not PWM [1]. The PWM is the fourth
>> pin, which on a three-pin connector is the... oh, wait.
>>
>> Whether three-pin fans can be even be RPM controlled is an open question
>> (the DC feed could be modulated, I guess, but I don't know whether it
>> is actually done).
>>
> And there's the question of the system used to drive the fan. Could be
> proprietary and not open.
> 
> On budget motherboard, saving a chip is saving some cash and making profit.
> 
> The significant difference in practice is that 4-pin fans allow for RPM
> to change based on the need for cooling temperature, this reduces noise
> and power consumption. While 3-pin can control the voltage, but the
> voltage can't turn to change the fan RPM at all and accurate as much as
> 4 pin fans. [2]

I'll add, changing voltage can't modulate the speed of a fan.

You can only throttle it when you go into a close to stop. But this is
really ineffective way of trying to control the speed. You'll be running
at at most a hundred rpm.
> 
> What Is the Difference Between Three- and Four-Pin CPU Fans? [3]
> 
> 
> 
>> Cheers
>>
>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_fan#Connectors
>>
>>  - t
>>
> 
> 
> [2] https://digitalworld839.com/3-pin-vs-4-pin-fan-difference-between/
> 
> [3]
> https://www.howtogeek.com/273575/what-is-the-difference-between-three-and-four-pin-cpu-fans/
> 

-- 
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#239156

FromEmanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu>
Date2021-08-22 10:50 +0200
Message-ID<CORl0-7z8-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#239154
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:

> You can only throttle it when you go into a close to stop.
> But this is really ineffective way of trying to control the
> speed. You'll be running at at most a hundred rpm.

But then why doesn't pwmconfig ask for 4-pin fans? It asks for
3-pin fans so while ineffective it's something people still
care to do.

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#239158

FromEmanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu>
Date2021-08-22 11:30 +0200
Message-ID<CORXI-81w-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#239156
didier gaumet wrote:

> Here is your motherboard user manual [...]
> https://rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-b450-f-gaming-model/helpdesk_manual
> Look at 3.2.3 section for fan control

OK!

> I could be entirely wrong but what I would imagine is that
> fan control is by default managed directly by the UEFI of
> your motherboard, not by the OS.

Yes.

> But that to be really efficient il would require 4-pins fans
> to have been mounted.

Okay, but is that even possible?

> For 3-pins fans in your situation, I would suggest trying to
> delegate fan management from the UEFI to the OS (Linux) by
> (possibly setting the fan profile to "manual") and the mode
> from "PWM" to "DC"

How? In the UEFI?

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