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  Re: MDs & Dentists Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@surfnaked.ca> - 2021-07-14 17:40 +0200
    Re: MDs & Dentists Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2021-07-14 20:30 +0200
      Re: MDs & Dentists John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-07-14 21:30 +0200
        Re: MDs & Dentists Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-15 00:30 +0200
      Re: MDs & Dentists ellanios82 <ellanios82@gmail.com> - 2021-07-14 21:50 +0200
        Re: MDs & Dentists Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-07-14 22:00 +0200
          Re: MDs & Dentists Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-15 00:40 +0200
            Re: MDs & Dentists Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-07-15 01:00 +0200
              Re: MDs & Dentists Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-15 01:40 +0200
              Re: MDs & Dentists Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-07-15 02:40 +0200
                Re: MDs & Dentists Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-07-15 03:20 +0200
                Re: MDs & Dentists Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-15 04:00 +0200
                  Re: MDs & Dentists Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-07-15 04:00 +0200
                    Re: MDs & Dentists Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-15 04:10 +0200
        Re: MDs & Dentists Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-15 00:30 +0200
          Re: MDs & Dentists jeremy ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2021-07-15 01:10 +0200
            Re: MDs & Dentists jeremy ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2021-07-15 02:30 +0200
              Re: MDs & Dentists Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-15 04:00 +0200
            Re: MDs & Dentists Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-07-15 03:50 +0200
              Re: MDs & Dentists Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-07-15 04:00 +0200
            Re: MDs & Dentists ellanios82 <ellanios82@gmail.com> - 2021-07-15 09:50 +0200
              Re: MDs & Dentists Jeremy Ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2021-07-15 10:10 +0200
              Re: MDs & Dentists Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-07-15 10:10 +0200
            Re: MDs & Dentists Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-07-15 11:40 +0200
              Re: MDs & Dentists <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-15 12:30 +0200
          Re: MDs & Dentists Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-07-15 08:50 +0200
            Re: MDs & Dentists Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-07-20 17:40 +0200
              Re: MDs & Dentists Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-07-21 10:20 +0200
                Re: MDs & Dentists Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-07-21 17:00 +0200
                  Re: MDs & Dentists Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-07-21 17:40 +0200
                    Re: MDs & Dentists Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-07-21 18:00 +0200
                      Re: MDs & Dentists Gunnar Gervin <dofeelok@gmail.com> - 2021-08-01 15:40 +0200
                        Re: MDs & Dentists "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-08-01 16:00 +0200
                          Re: MDs & Dentists Gunnar Gervin <dofeelok@gmail.com> - 2021-08-01 16:00 +0200
                            Re: MDs & Dentists rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-08-01 18:30 +0200
                            Re: MDs & Dentists "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-08-01 19:10 +0200
                            Re: MDs & Dentists Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-01 22:30 +0200
                            Re: MDs & Dentists Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-01 22:50 +0200
                              Re: MDs & Dentists Gunnar Gervin <dofeelok@gmail.com> - 2021-08-02 15:00 +0200
                              Re: MDs & Dentists Gunnar Gervin <dofeelok@gmail.com> - 2021-08-02 15:00 +0200
                          Re: MDs & Dentists Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-08-01 18:00 +0200
                      Re: MDs & Dentists Gunnar Gervin <dofeelok@gmail.com> - 2021-08-01 15:50 +0200
                        Hard to understand, being clear [ was Re: MDs & Dentists] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-01 22:40 +0200
                          Re: Hard to understand, being clear [ was Re: MDs & Dentists] Gunnar Gervin <dofeelok@gmail.com> - 2021-08-02 15:40 +0200
                          Re: Hard to understand, being clear [ was Re: MDs & Dentists] Gunnar Gervin <dofeelok@gmail.com> - 2021-08-02 16:00 +0200
                    Re: MDs & Dentists Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-07-21 18:20 +0200
                      Re: MDs & Dentists "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> - 2021-07-21 18:40 +0200
                        Re: MDs & Dentists "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-07-21 19:10 +0200
                          Re: MDs & Dentists Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-07-21 19:40 +0200
                            Re: MDs & Dentists "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-07-21 20:20 +0200
                              Re: MDs & Dentists Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-07-21 21:50 +0200
                                Re: MDs & Dentists "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-07-21 23:50 +0200
                        Re: MDs & Dentists Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-21 19:20 +0200
                          Re: MDs & Dentists Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-07-21 19:40 +0200
                        Re: MDs & Dentists Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-07-21 19:30 +0200
                          Re: MDs & Dentists Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-07-21 22:40 +0200
                    Re: MDs & Dentists Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-07-21 20:40 +0200
                      Re: MDs & Dentists Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-07-21 21:10 +0200
                        Re: MDs & Dentists Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-07-21 22:30 +0200
                    Re: MDs & Dentists Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2021-07-21 21:20 +0200
          Re: MDs & Dentists Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2021-07-15 13:10 +0200
            Re: MDs & Dentists Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-15 15:40 +0200
      Re: MDs & Dentists Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-15 00:30 +0200

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#237388 — Re: MDs & Dentists

On Wed Jul 14 07:38:52 2021 Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:

 > ellanios82 wrote:
 >>
 >>  - have heard it opined that MDs & Dentists are seldom good
 >> investors, for the reason that they are used to usually being
 >> 'Right'

I've heard that surgeons can be particularly bad.

 > I'm not sure what this has to do with Debian, but this overlaps
 > with my professional interests.
 >
 > As far as I can tell, the reason that MDs and dentists are
 > notable as bad investors is the same reason that they are
 > notable as bad pilots: in the middle to end of their careers
 > they have lots of money and no particular life experience other
 > than their professions. They look for something that is
 > appealing on the surface, put just enough time into it to
 > convince themselves that they are going to be quite good at it
 > because they are already successful, and then crash.
 >
 > https://generalaviationnews.com/2017/03/29/the-doctor-killer/

Ah yes, the infamous "V-tail doctor killer", adored by
birdwatchers everywhere.

Still, if you read the article to the end you'll see that
improved training is offsetting the trend.

 > Luckily, programming is a useful alternative hobby for medical
 > professionals. As long as you stay away from certain obscure
 > areas -- say, device drivers and financial software -- the
 > penalties for screwing up are much lower.

Yeah, just write another piece of glitzy crap with a shitty user
interface... you could always get a job with Microsoft, I suppose.

 > If you like your doctor or dentist, encourage them to learn
 > Debian and get into programming rather than daytrading or
 > piloting.

Either that, or ensure that they have - or develop - enough
humility to fly safely.

As for me, I'm content to stay with my Cessna 172,
and work to keep my instrument flying skills sharp.

-- 
cgibbs@surfnaked.ca (Charlie Gibbs)

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#237392

Doctors and Dentists run windows as the base for all of their practice
software.  I don't know of any linux software that could replace that
software either.  Could it be some software house would be able to get
linux versions available and make some money?

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#237393

https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med/
-- 
John Hasler 
john@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#237400

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This is a start but there's not much for the day to day practice.
You have health record management but it's unable to operate with other
system.
But there's also great stuff like the possibility to analyze CT scan and
MRI.
The tools are mostly oriented for research and not so much for practice
itself.

A medical tool is useless if it doesn't interact with the whole system.
You don't want to type lab result by hand ;-)

On 2021-07-14 3:09 p.m., John Hasler wrote:
> https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med/
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#237394

On 7/14/21 9:27 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> Doctors and Dentists run windows as the base for all of their practice software.  I don't know of any linux software that could replace that software either.  Could it be some software house would be able to get linux versions available and make some money?

...

  - just so :)

  - at one stage needed windows stuff : ran on Virtual-Box : perfect !!


....

  rgds

.

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#237395

On 15-07-2021 05:42, ellanios82 wrote:
> On 7/14/21 9:27 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>> Doctors and Dentists run windows as the base for all of their practice software.  I don't know of any linux software that could replace that software either.  Could it be some software house would be able to get linux versions available and make some money?
> 
> ...
> 
>  - just so :)
> 
>  - at one stage needed windows stuff : ran on Virtual-Box : perfect !!

There are medical and dental practice softwares which runs on Linux, and
it's in the repositories.

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=medical+practice&searchon=all&suite=unstable&section=all

Has anybody pointed it out to their doctor/dentist yet?
Cheers,

Harry.

-- 
`When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty' 
-- Thomas Jefferson

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Hi,

On 2021-07-14 3:54 p.m., Weaver wrote:
> On 15-07-2021 05:42, ellanios82 wrote:
>> On 7/14/21 9:27 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>> Doctors and Dentists run windows as the base for all of their practice software.  I don't know of any linux software that could replace that software either.  Could it be some software house would be able to get linux versions available and make some money?
>>
>> ...
>>
>>  - just so :)
>>
>>  - at one stage needed windows stuff : ran on Virtual-Box : perfect !!
> 
> There are medical and dental practice softwares which runs on Linux, and
> it's in the repositories.
> 
> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=medical+practice&searchon=all&suite=unstable&section=all
> 
> Has anybody pointed it out to their doctor/dentist yet?
> Cheers,
> 
Have you done it ?
What is needed to run a doctor office can you tell me ?
Does your "suite" cover it all ?

What would be the benefits for the doctor/dentist ?

Again, don't get into the FOSS thingy.

Don't give much about this.

Computer = tool
Tool = effective
If I need to change my habits = Must be a really good reason

> Harry.
> 

I feel like all this is emotion based and no one really took time to ask
themselves why won't they...

Maybe because even if you have a software, if it doesn't interact with
other part of the system, it's a bit useless. Like a computer on a
network that doesn't speak IP...

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#237405

On 15-07-2021 08:30, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 2021-07-14 3:54 p.m., Weaver wrote:
>> On 15-07-2021 05:42, ellanios82 wrote:
>>> On 7/14/21 9:27 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>> Doctors and Dentists run windows as the base for all of their practice software.  I don't know of any linux software that could replace that software either.  Could it be some software house would be able to get linux versions available and make some money?
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>  - just so :)
>>>
>>>  - at one stage needed windows stuff : ran on Virtual-Box : perfect !!
>>
>> There are medical and dental practice softwares which runs on Linux, and
>> it's in the repositories.
>>
>> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=medical+practice&searchon=all&suite=unstable&section=all
>>
>> Has anybody pointed it out to their doctor/dentist yet?
>> Cheers,
>>
> Have you done it ?

No, have you?

> What is needed to run a doctor office can you tell me ?

That's quite a topic to cover in an email, but yes, I know.

> Does your "suite" cover it all ?

Never used it, have you?
Or is this just another example of your ability to denigrate something
with no evidence to support it?

> What would be the benefits for the doctor/dentist ?

Stability and, discounting adminstration overhead, free to use.
Have you priced out proprietary alternatives>
They're _very_ expensive.

> Again, don't get into the FOSS thingy.

I haven't.
But I don't see any reason to denigrate that aspect, either.

> Don't give much about this.
> 
> Computer = tool
> Tool = effective
> If I need to change my habits = Must be a really good reason

The first step is honest assessment of requirement, which you don't
appear to have done.

> I feel like all this is emotion based and no one really took time to ask
> themselves why won't they...
> 
> Maybe because even if you have a software, if it doesn't interact with
> other part of the system, it's a bit useless. Like a computer on a
> network that doesn't speak IP...

Then you need to look at the interaction points, see what can be done
about that aspect, if that is, indeed, the state.
Where do you get the idea it isn't?
Cheers!

Harry.

-- 
`When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty' 
-- Thomas Jefferson

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Hi,
Why do we mostly have iPhone ?
Because the software aren't available on Android and the ones that are
available ain't same quality !

On 2021-07-14 6:58 p.m., Weaver wrote:
> On 15-07-2021 08:30, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 2021-07-14 3:54 p.m., Weaver wrote:
>>> On 15-07-2021 05:42, ellanios82 wrote:
>>>> On 7/14/21 9:27 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>>> Doctors and Dentists run windows as the base for all of their practice software.  I don't know of any linux software that could replace that software either.  Could it be some software house would be able to get linux versions available and make some money?
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>  - just so :)
>>>>
>>>>  - at one stage needed windows stuff : ran on Virtual-Box : perfect !!
>>>
>>> There are medical and dental practice softwares which runs on Linux, and
>>> it's in the repositories.
>>>
>>> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=medical+practice&searchon=all&suite=unstable&section=all
>>>
>>> Has anybody pointed it out to their doctor/dentist yet?
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>> Have you done it ?
> 
> No, have you?
> 
>> What is needed to run a doctor office can you tell me ?
> 
> That's quite a topic to cover in an email, but yes, I know.
> 
>> Does your "suite" cover it all ?
> 
> Never used it, have you?
> Or is this just another example of your ability to denigrate something
> with no evidence to support it?
> 
>> What would be the benefits for the doctor/dentist ?
> 
> Stability and, discounting adminstration overhead, free to use.
> Have you priced out proprietary alternatives>
> They're _very_ expensive.
> 
>> Again, don't get into the FOSS thingy.
> 
> I haven't.
> But I don't see any reason to denigrate that aspect, either.
> 
>> Don't give much about this.
>>
>> Computer = tool
>> Tool = effective
>> If I need to change my habits = Must be a really good reason
> 
> The first step is honest assessment of requirement, which you don't
> appear to have done.
> 
>> I feel like all this is emotion based and no one really took time to ask
>> themselves why won't they...
>>
>> Maybe because even if you have a software, if it doesn't interact with
>> other part of the system, it's a bit useless. Like a computer on a
>> network that doesn't speak IP...
> 
> Then you need to look at the interaction points, see what can be done
> about that aspect, if that is, indeed, the state.
> Where do you get the idea it isn't?
> Cheers!
> 
> Harry.
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#237410

On 15-07-2021 09:32, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 2021-07-14 6:58 p.m., Weaver wrote:
>> On 15-07-2021 08:30, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On 2021-07-14 3:54 p.m., Weaver wrote:
>>>> On 15-07-2021 05:42, ellanios82 wrote:
>>>>> On 7/14/21 9:27 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>>>> Doctors and Dentists run windows as the base for all of their practice software.  I don't know of any linux software that could replace that software either.  Could it be some software house would be able to get linux versions available and make some money?
>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>  - just so :)
>>>>>
>>>>>  - at one stage needed windows stuff : ran on Virtual-Box : perfect !!
>>>>
>>>> There are medical and dental practice softwares which runs on Linux, and
>>>> it's in the repositories.
>>>>
>>>> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=medical+practice&searchon=all&suite=unstable&section=all
>>>>
>>>> Has anybody pointed it out to their doctor/dentist yet?
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>> Have you done it ?
>>
>> No, have you?
>>
>>> What is needed to run a doctor office can you tell me ?
>>
>> That's quite a topic to cover in an email, but yes, I know.
>>
>>> Does your "suite" cover it all ?
>>
>> Never used it, have you?
>> Or is this just another example of your ability to denigrate something
>> with no evidence to support it?
>>
> If you took the time to read my previous email then you'll see that :
> I've tried and used Freediams
> I've used the software for viewing of CT Scan (can't remember the name).
> I've used the software for viewing imaging (DICOM).
> 
> Shall I continue ?
> 
> You seem to say many things but lack proof to support them.
> 
>>> What would be the benefits for the doctor/dentist ?
>>
>> Stability and, discounting adminstration overhead, free to use.
>> Have you priced out proprietary alternatives>
>> They're _very_ expensive.
>>

Make up your mind!

\begin{quote} 
 
> Stability wouldn't change, we are not running Windows 95 anymore.
> Can you give me real world example where Linux would be more stable ?
> 
> Don't confuse the need of a computer server and the need of a desktop
> user who's willing to reboot once a day or more. \end{quote}

> And you think that a alternative to those software for administration
> exist ? Those software have to be certified to connect to other software
> used in the office.
> 
> I know the price and could give you some idea.
> 
> PARAM for one user/one doctor/per year will cost you 1200$ and it's one
> of the cheapest, it's mostly the old paper form on a screen.
> Pack you data in XML, make the checksum and here you go.
> 
> The software for our unified health record is supplied by the agency and
> run on Windows only. And this is similar in many settings...
> You don't buy a software, you pay for a service.
> 
> I don't pay for accounting software, I pay for billing service that will
> also optimize my billing. And they supply the software.
> 
> What would a specific accounting software made for doctor, that is
> updated at least monthly would cost less on Linux ?

Right!
So, it's accounting software now.
I don't know, I pay a bookkeeper and an accountant to do all that, and
it doesn't cost me anywhere near what you just quoted.
_And_ I have time for a life.
A big clue to surviving in any business.
Don't work your way into the ground.
Give yourself time for a life.
Your business will be all the better off for it.

> This is a list of all the change to our billing agreements on a day to
> day (week to week) basis...
> 
> https://www.ramq.gouv.qc.ca/fr/professionnels/medecins-omnipraticiens/infolettres/2021/Pages/infolettres.aspx

Have you even considered options such as:

https://tinyurl.com/42km8b6n

> You still don't give me any example of a Linux software that can
> interact with the rest of the software used for health record management.
> 
> Yes freediams does some part but it's really far from what a complete
> health record management do.
> 
> There's no integration with medical imaging (there is but limited).
> There's lacking a bunch of medical equation that we use everyday (for
> example calculating the albumin clearance based on blood test for a
> non-hospitalised patient), etc.

I haven't avoided it at all.
I stated that looking at where descripancies lie and assessing
requirement is the way to go.
I don't see anything wrong with something like LaTeX or XML templates
for a number of different functions.

> And the biggest of all.
> 
> It's not approved by any of the regulator !
> 
> Because you have to use "approved solution" if you want your insurance
> to cover you. That's in the contract... Whatever "approved mean", I let
> my lawyer decide.

O.K., so why are we even talking about it?
Why is it even on the list?
Talk to the developers of the programmes concerned, lay out what you see
as issues, and how they are able to address those.
There are no such restrictive legislation/regulation here.

>>> Again, don't get into the FOSS thingy.
>>
>> I haven't.
>> But I don't see any reason to denigrate that aspect, either.
>>
> Simply it's irrelevant.
> 
> It's a tool nothing more.
> It's not a religion like many of you swear over it.
> FOSS is a great thing, has many advantage. I've used Linux since the
> early 2000s (Slackware 3.3 or similar, the one before 4.0)
> 
> But FOSS has no impact on the benefits to this solution, moral is not
> part of it.

Wrong!
The code is open so any intervention is recognised by a hundred thousand
and one eyes.
Bugs get fixed in a fraction of the time other software takes, putting
it off till six months down the line (minimum!), when a little
production downtime creates leeway.

>>> Don't give much about this.
>>>
>>> Computer = tool
>>> Tool = effective
>>> If I need to change my habits = Must be a really good reason
>>
>> The first step is honest assessment of requirement, which you don't
>> appear to have done.
>>
> I doubt that I haven't...
> 
> Because I have...
> I even ordered the specifications for billing and web service
> interaction, made some research to get the software done.
> 
> But after health record management there was many other software that
> are needed.
> 
>>> I feel like all this is emotion based and no one really took time to ask
>>> themselves why won't they...
>>>
>>> Maybe because even if you have a software, if it doesn't interact with
>>> other part of the system, it's a bit useless. Like a computer on a
>>> network that doesn't speak IP...
>>
>> Then you need to look at the interaction points, see what can be done
>> about that aspect, if that is, indeed, the state.
>> Where do you get the idea it isn't?
> 
> You don't seem to understand all the tools that use Windows in a office.
> My electronic stetoscope for cardiologic monitoring.
> My ottoscope that take pictures of inside of the ears.
> My medication analysis / management, it also interact with my health
> record management.
> 
> And many of those software interact between each other using closed
> source protocols, you only get things like "work with Telus Health
> Solution".
> 
> And the last part of the "analysis" you ask.
> 
> In most office today, you don't own your computer, at least in USA,
> Canada... and part of Europe.
> 
> You rent the computer and this include tech support, the software you
> request. If something goes bad, on a 24/7 service they get to your
> place, change your computer and put a new one. Because the system does a
> continuous sync with the server.
> 
> https://www.telus.com/en/health/health-professionals/clinics/
> 
> If you want more info, ask...
> I've paid for Telus Health until mid 2017 ;-)

Right!
So, you have comprehensively investigated all of these:

https://www.goodfirms.co/blog/best-free-open-source-Electronic-Medical-Records-software-solutions

https://www.thesmbguide.com/free-electronic-medical-records-software

https://sourceforge.net/directory/business-enterprise/enterprise/medhealth/os:linux/

And, if I had hand equipment that insisted on interacting only with a
specific type of software, I'd be looking at replacing that.
That's how Windows works (and Mac), creating dependency.
Go along with it, and you deserve it.

> And because I like software, I do development, I would have liked to
> develop a open solution...

Plenty of raw material and code, there.
Grab what ideas you like/need, and stitch them togther.
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Harry.
>>

-- 
`When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty' 
-- Thomas Jefferson

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#237411

On Wednesday 14 July 2021 20:32:27 Weaver wrote:

and I snipped to the important part:

> On 15-07-2021 09:32, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> > But FOSS has no impact on the benefits to this solution, moral is
> > not part of it.
>
> Wrong!
> The code is open so any intervention is recognised by a hundred
> thousand and one eyes.
> Bugs get fixed in a fraction of the time other software takes, putting
> it off till six months down the line (minimum!), when a little
> production downtime creates leeway.

Open source does not always impose those scheduling things. I am on 
several other open source mailing lists, and in one case I have 4 
machines running the projects git master software, so I see code commits 
daily and can report bugs long before it gets to the average users 
machine, some of which are more than powerfull enough to kill or mame 
forever if they do something wrong unexpectedly. I play the part of the 
canary in the coal mine, and have reported bugs, and had a fix compiled 
and installed on my machines in as little as 2 hours. 3 times in about 2 
decades is pretty good compared to Redmond's product. Even the kernel 
developers, who comprise at least 100 sets of eyeballs, rarely take more 
than 2 or 3 days to hash out a fix. If you build your own kernels that's 
fine, but the distro's test 500+ times compared to your one machine, so 
it does take time for such to actually reach a repo and your package 
manager to pull it into your machine.

Windows track record in that department is at least 100x worse. 

MBA's are the major reason Windows exists today, they have deep pockets 
that can be sued if it screws up. Linux, generally speaking is free, not 
even beer money in some pockets, nothing there if you did sue. But an 
MBA never makes a mistake because he/she/it always has to have someone 
to sue. Even if it actually is the MBA's mistake.

Understand that, and you'll be well up on seeing whats wrong with today's 
business environment.

[...]

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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Hi,
> 
> Have you even considered options such as:
> 
> https://tinyurl.com/42km8b6n
> 
Can you please tell me one thing...
Does what you just showed me does the following :

1. Manage my health record for my client.
2. Same time as I enter my note into the clients file, code the medical
act I've done.
3. Send the code every week to the billing agency so I can get my pay.
4. If you have look at the reference I've sent you, then you have seen
the we have what's called service agreement.
5. Codify the acts respecting the billing agreements, for example once
per years bill for the patient continuous service follow up ?

I doubt they do this.
And none of the software you showed me deal with medicare ;-)
-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#237416

On 15-07-2021 11:53, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
>>
>> Have you even considered options such as:
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/42km8b6n
>>
> Can you please tell me one thing...
> Does what you just showed me does the following :
> 
> 1. Manage my health record for my client.
> 2. Same time as I enter my note into the clients file, code the medical
> act I've done.
> 3. Send the code every week to the billing agency so I can get my pay.
> 4. If you have look at the reference I've sent you, then you have seen
> the we have what's called service agreement.
> 5. Codify the acts respecting the billing agreements, for example once
> per years bill for the patient continuous service follow up ?
> 
> I doubt they do this.

I don't know.
I'm trusting in you to do your own research.

> And none of the software you showed me deal with medicare ;-)

Don't they?
So, you have verified that?
In which case, what auxiliary function can you call on to fulfil that
need?
Cheers!

Harry.

-- 
`When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty' 
-- Thomas Jefferson

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On 2021-07-14 9:58 p.m., Weaver wrote:
> On 15-07-2021 11:53, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Have you even considered options such as:
>>>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/42km8b6n
>>>
>> Can you please tell me one thing...
>> Does what you just showed me does the following :
>>
>> 1. Manage my health record for my client.
>> 2. Same time as I enter my note into the clients file, code the medical
>> act I've done.
>> 3. Send the code every week to the billing agency so I can get my pay.
>> 4. If you have look at the reference I've sent you, then you have seen
>> the we have what's called service agreement.
>> 5. Codify the acts respecting the billing agreements, for example once
>> per years bill for the patient continuous service follow up ?
>>
>> I doubt they do this.
> 
> I don't know.
> I'm trusting in you to do your own research.
> 
>> And none of the software you showed me deal with medicare ;-)
> 
> Don't they?
> So, you have verified that?
> In which case, what auxiliary function can you call on to fulfil that
> need?
That medicare accept payment only by certified agency.
I did check because they ain't on the list....

https://www.ramq.gouv.qc.ca/fr/professionnels/developpeurs-logiciels-medecine/facturation2/liste-developpeurs/Pages/liste-developpeurs.aspx

https://infocentral.infoway-inforoute.ca/en/tools/developer-tools

So yes I did check what you sent me...

> Cheers!
> 
> Harry.
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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Him

On 2021-07-14 3:42 p.m., ellanios82 wrote:
> On 7/14/21 9:27 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>> Doctors and Dentists run windows as the base for all of their practice
>> software.  I don't know of any linux software that could replace that
>> software either.  Could it be some software house would be able to get
>> linux versions available and make some money?
> 
> ...
> 
>  - just so :)
> 
>  - at one stage needed windows stuff : ran on Virtual-Box : perfect !!
> 
> 
That's the usual "geek non-sense" answer.

Can you tell me one big advantage of using Linux in a medical practice ?

What would I gain in my practice to switching over to Linux, already you
are talking about running Windows in a Virtual Box and your answer is
just based on something you don't know.

The software that is used for my electronic stetoscope is made for
running under Windows. If I call tech support and it's running under a
virtual box then they'll call me off. Because that's the contract.

Bad answer : Because it's FOSS (don't care, it's a tool).
Bad answer : Because it's more stable (no it's not anymore).

Also can you find me one Linux distribution that is certified as medical
equipment for reliability ?
> ....
> 
>  rgds
> 
> .
> 
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#237406

On 15/07/2021 6:26 am, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>
> Also can you find me one Linux distribution that is certified as medical
> equipment for reliability ?

You can't be seriously suggesting Windows is certified for any risk of 
life application!?

It has a huge spectrum of vulnerabilities and a constant stream of zero 
day exploits for both the O/S and the myriad applications (Adobe and 
Java, I'm looking at you in particular)

That plus real-time isn't and having your system shutting down at will 
to install essential patches! No thanks.

Jeremy

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#237409

On 15/07/2021 7:40 am, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>
>> On 15/07/2021 6:26 am, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>>> Also can you find me one Linux distribution that is certified as medical
>>> equipment for reliability ?
>> You can't be seriously suggesting Windows is certified for any risk of
>> life application!?
>>
>> It has a huge spectrum of vulnerabilities and a constant stream of zero
>> day exploits for both the O/S and the myriad applications (Adobe and
>> Java, I'm looking at you in particular)
>>
>> That plus real-time isn't and having your system shutting down at will
>> to install essential patches! No thanks.
>>
>> On what planet do you live ?
>> Did I say Windows 10 ?
>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/industry/health/providers
>>
>> They usually use the real time version of Windows (embedded) for the
>> critical part of infrastructure.

There ain't no such thing as windows embedded, nor windows real time. 
There are a plethora of binaries probably as far back as windows 95 that 
have gone under the names using NT kernel or some other kernel e.g. Win-CE

Today they are using NT kernels as well as the proprietary kernel, and 
even a Linux kernel under the general heading of embedded or IoT. And as 
is they way, they then link it into azure cloud to offload some of the 
functionality and increase the risk profile.

To be certified (by who?) a piece of equipment with a specific 
configuration for a specific purpose is chosen. 'Windows' can never be 
certified on its own - just as 'Linux' can never be certified.

The discussion about MDs and dentists is not about equipment, it's about 
software they use in day to day operations. That's predominately Windows 
10, either stand alone or as a front end to a remote information system.

The trend, finally, is towards remote services  and lots and lots of 
ECMAscript. For that chrome running on say armbian is as good as chrome 
running on Windows 10. The difference is the armbian version has a much 
higher up-time and a much lower threat profile.

In reference to phones BTW. iPhone is around 15% market share. The rest 
mostly Android. iPhone is dominant in legal and medical circles because 
its considered prestige and they have far too much spare cash.

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Hi,

> To be certified (by who?) a piece of equipment with a specific
> configuration for a specific purpose is chosen. 'Windows' can never be
> certified on its own - just as 'Linux' can never be certified.
> 

To by certified by who ?
The payment agency who send my check ;-)
https://www.ramq.gouv.qc.ca/fr/professionnels/developpeurs-logiciels-medecine/facturation2/liste-developpeurs/Pages/liste-developpeurs.aspx

Here's a list of approved software system.

And the hardware solution certified by who ?
Them...
https://www.infoway-inforoute.ca/en/component/tags/tag/3718-information-standards


Because as you seem blind to understand.
My system doesn't run alone. The main task I do with it is to access my
client record, interact with other MDs, manage my shared agenda with
other practitioner.

Is there something you don't get ?

Btw, I'm over, I have better to do than to repeat myself over and over
again.

If your solutions are so great then let me be happy the day Telus Health
will go bankrupt !

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#237412

jeremy ardley [2021-07-15 07:03:18] wrote:
> On 15/07/2021 6:26 am, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>> Also can you find me one Linux distribution that is certified as medical
>> equipment for reliability ?
> You can't be seriously suggesting Windows is certified for any risk of life
> application!?

He's talking about official certification by some government entity or
some professional association or something like that.
In many situation, such a certification is required by law or by the
insurance companies.

It doesn't really matter what that certification means technically.


        Stefan

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#237413

On 15-07-2021 11:43, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> jeremy ardley [2021-07-15 07:03:18] wrote:
>> On 15/07/2021 6:26 am, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>>> Also can you find me one Linux distribution that is certified as medical
>>> equipment for reliability ?
>> You can't be seriously suggesting Windows is certified for any risk of life
>> application!?
> 
> He's talking about official certification by some government entity or
> some professional association or something like that.
> In many situation, such a certification is required by law or by the
> insurance companies.
> 
> It doesn't really matter what that certification means technically.

I know what he means, though.
Windows is not `certified' for use on the International space station:
they can't afford a frozen screen up there.
The New York and London stock exchanges don't use it.
The traffic lights (anywhere!) are not driven by it.

t's certified for nothing as far as I'm concerned.
On the other hand, it's certifiable, if you get my drift.
Cheers!

Harry.

-- 
`When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty' 
-- Thomas Jefferson

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