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  one thing i don't like about Thunar file manager kaye n <guikaye@gmail.com> - 2020-10-13 04:00 +0200
    Re: one thing i don't like about Thunar file manager Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2020-10-13 04:20 +0200
      Re: one thing i don't like about Thunar file manager kaye n <guikaye@gmail.com> - 2020-10-14 06:30 +0200
        Re: one thing i don't like about Thunar file manager Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2020-10-14 08:10 +0200
          Re: one thing i don't like about Thunar file manager Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-10-14 10:30 +0200
            Re: one thing i don't like about Thunar file manager kaye n <guikaye@gmail.com> - 2020-10-14 13:20 +0200
            Re: one thing i don't like about Thunar file manager Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2020-10-14 18:30 +0200
          Please be respectful (was: one thing i don't like about Thunar file  manager) "Christoph K." <christoph@kobenetz.de> - 2020-10-14 10:40 +0200
            Re: Please be respectful Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2020-10-14 11:20 +0200
              Re: Please be respectful Thomas Pircher <thp+debian@p5r.uk> - 2020-10-14 12:30 +0200
              Re: Please be respectful "Christoph K." <christoph@kobenetz.de> - 2020-10-14 17:40 +0200
              Re: Please be respectful Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2020-10-15 15:50 +0200
                Re: Please be respectful grumpy@mailfence.com - 2020-10-15 16:10 +0200
                  Re: Please be respectful Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2020-10-15 16:30 +0200
                    Re: Please be respectful <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-10-24 10:20 +0200
                      Re: Please be respectful Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-10-24 18:50 +0200
                      Re: Please be respectful Doug McGarrett <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2020-10-24 19:30 +0200
                  Re: Please be respectful Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2020-10-15 17:40 +0200
              Re: Please be respectful Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2020-10-16 00:20 +0200
                Re: Please be respectful Leslie Rhorer <lesrhorer@att.net> - 2020-10-16 02:20 +0200
                  Re: Please be respectful Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2020-10-16 12:00 +0200
                    Re: Please be respectful Leslie Rhorer <lesrhorer@att.net> - 2020-10-16 23:50 +0200
                      Re: Please be respectful Michael uplawski <linux-gate@don.blech.e4ward.com> - 2020-10-17 07:30 +0200
                        Re: Please be respectful Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2020-10-17 07:40 +0200
                          Re: Please be respectful Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2020-10-17 23:10 +0200
                            Re: Please be respectful Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2020-10-18 03:50 +0200
                              Re: Please be respectful Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2020-10-18 04:10 +0200
                                Re: Please be respectful Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2020-10-18 14:30 +0200
                                Re: Please be respectful Jan Foniok <jan.foniok@pikomat.mff.cuni.cz> - 2020-10-25 10:50 +0100
                                  Re: Please be respectful Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2020-10-25 21:10 +0100
                              Re: Please be respectful Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2020-10-18 04:10 +0200
                                Re: Please be respectful Michael uplawski <linux-gate@don.blech.e4ward.com> - 2020-10-18 12:50 +0200
                                Re: Please be respectful Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2020-10-18 14:40 +0200
                                  Re: Please be respectful Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2020-10-24 18:50 +0200
                                    Re: Please be respectful Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2020-10-24 19:40 +0200
                                      Re: Please be respectful john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2020-10-24 19:50 +0200
                                      Re: Please be respectful "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2020-10-24 22:20 +0200
                      Re: Please be respectful Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-10-17 09:00 +0200
                        Re: Please be respectful Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2020-10-17 10:40 +0200
                        Re: Please be respectful Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-10-26 14:00 +0100
                          Re: Please be respectful Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-10-26 15:00 +0100
                            Re: Please be respectful ellanios82 <ellanios82@gmail.com> - 2020-10-26 15:50 +0100
                      Re: Please be respectful <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-10-17 10:20 +0200
                      Re: Please be respectful "Christoph K." <christoph@kobenetz.de> - 2020-10-18 13:50 +0200
                        Re: Please be respectful Long Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-18 14:00 +0200
                          Re: Please be respectful <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-10-18 14:20 +0200
                            Re: Please be respectful Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-10-18 16:50 +0200
                            Re: Please be respectful Long Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-19 14:00 +0200
                              Re: Please be respectful <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-10-19 14:20 +0200
                            Re: Please be respectful <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-10-24 16:10 +0200
        Re: one thing i don't like about Thunar file manager riveravaldez <riveravaldezmail@gmail.com> - 2020-10-14 08:40 +0200

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#228240 — Re: Please be respectful

On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 14:59:16 +0200
Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sb, 24 oct 20, 03:46:20, Leslie Rhorer wrote:
> > 
> > On 10/17/2020 1:59 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:  
> > > 
> > > This could be understood that in your opinion it is ok to be rude
> > > to a person unless that person has somehow earned your respect.
> > > 
> > > Is this what you meant?  
> > 
> > 	It is neither what I said, nor what should properly be
> > inferred from it. As I already mentioned, there is a difference
> > between rudeness and disrespect.  There is also a big difference
> > between not respecting someone and being either rude or
> > disrespectful to them.  I am not quite sure it is really ever OK to
> > be rude.  I know it is never acceptable to engage in puerile
> > behavior such as name-calling or ad hominem attacks.
> > 
> > 	It is also a very different thing to reserve one's respect
> > and one's opinions until someone has proven themselves than from
> > engaging in a gratuitous, unprovoked verbal attack.  Please do not
> > attempt to extrapolate from my statements beyond reasonable logical
> > boundaries. For one thing, it is rude to do so.  (But not
> > necessarily disrespectful.)  
>  
> I'm quite certain at least part of this huge discussion is caused by 
> misunderstandings.
> 
> This is my attempt to clarify at least some of it.
> 
> Apparently I failed.
> 

It's all a bit subjective. As I understand things, a stranger deserves
politeness, and also a default value of respect, which as Leslie says,
is worth nothing as it applies to every stranger. 

Genuine, higher-than-default respect can only be earned, but politeness
should always be maintained, even in the face of rudeness. Here's
another Internet meme: wrestling with a pig gains you nothing but a
layer of mud, and amuses the pig.

-- 
Joe

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#228247 — Re: Please be respectful

> > wrestling with a pig gains you nothing but a
> layer of mud, and amuses the pig


.....

  old song :


"PIG GOT UP AND SLOWLY WALKED AWAY, THE
(Music: F W Bowers / Lyrics: Benjamin Hapgood Burt)


Frank Crumit - 1934
Johnny Bond - 1966
Jim Croce - 1975

Also recorded by: Sam Hinton; Rudy Vallee;
Harry Belafonte; Clinton Ford; Acker Bilk.



One evening in October
When I was about one-third sober
And was taking home a load with manly pride
My poor feet began to stutter
So I lay down in the gutter
And a pig came up and lay down by my side

Then we sang "It's All Fair Weather"
And "Good Fellows Get Together"
Till a lady passing by was heard to say
She says, "You can tell a man who boozes
By the company he chooses"
And the pig got up and slowly walked away

Yes, the pig got up and slowly walked away
Slowly walked away, slowly walked away
Yes, the pig got up and he turned and winked at me
As he slowly walked away

I also well remember
One evening in November
When I was creeping home at break of day
For in my exhilaration
I engaged in conversation
With a cab-horse, right on the corner of Broadway

I was filled up to the eyeballs
With a flock of gin and highballs
So I whispered to the cab-horse old and grey
I says, "It's these all-night homeward marches
That gave us both our fallen arches."
And the old horse laughed and slowly walked away

Yes, the old horse laughed and slowly walked away
Slowly walked away, he slowly walked away
And the old horse laughed and he turned and winked at me
As he slowly walked away
As he slowly walked away  "


<https://lyricsplayground.com/alpha/songs/p/piggotup.html>


......

  rgds

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#227901 — Re: Please be respectful

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On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 04:46:42PM -0500, Leslie Rhorer wrote:
> 
> 
> On 10/16/2020 4:57 AM, Pierre-Elliott B�cue wrote:

[...]

> 	This is nonsense.  Whenever I  forced to do something, or worse
> yet, prevented from doing something by a consensus of incompetent
> individuals, I have every right to complain.

... and when *you* get to decide who is to be "a consensus of
incompetent individuals" is the point where we part ways.

Sorry, I'm a command line junkie myself, and I try to seduce
people to try that anytime I get a chance, but your stance above
can only be characterised as arrogant.

[...]

> >Feel free to ignore """lazy""" people from now on, but don't be
> >irrespectful to them.
> >
> >You have no right to, and they don't deserve it.
> 
> 	There is no such word - or concept - as irrespectful [...]

C'mon. This is a mailing list in English, but its basis is very
international. You get to enjoy the fact that other people try
to adapt to your language as well as they can.

In this context, Postel's law [1] should apply (not only in
language things, mind you).

Go fix your error correction algorithm. A new prefix mapping (e.g.
i -> dis, with the usual phonetic embellishments) might go a long
way. 

Cheer

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postel%27s_law
 - t

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#227942 — Re: Please be respectful

Hello Leslie,
hello Harry.

On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 16:46:42 -0500
Leslie Rhorer wrote <lesrhorer@att.net>:

> Until someone does earn respect, there is no reason anyone 
> should afford it them. It is utterly ridiculous to think
> everyone deserves respect.


On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 22:39:01 -0700
Weaver wrote <weaver@riseup.net>:

> Some, in their retarded viewpoint, believe respect is something
> engendered by social position.
> Wrong!
> Social position is engendered by earned level of respect.


We're on a Debian mailing list here. Being respectful is part of the
Debian Code of Conduct which reflects the values of this community:

----
1. Be respectful

In a project the size of Debian, inevitably there will be people with
whom you may disagree, or find it difficult to cooperate. Accept that,
but even so, remain respectful. Disagreement is no excuse for poor
behaviour or personal attacks, and a community in which people feel
threatened is not a healthy community.

[...]

Source: https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct
----

If both of you openly state that you oppose the idea of being respectful
with other people unless they have earned your respect (according to your
perception), you more or less directly state that you oppose the Debian
Code of Conduct.

Apart from that, both of you have broken a couple of rules from the
Mailing lists code of conduct: https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/

* Non-constructive [...] messages [...] are not welcome
* Do not use foul language; [...]
* Try not to flame; it is not polite.
* Use common sense all the time.

I hope some people will draw some meaningful consequences.

Best regards,
Christoph

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#227943 — Re: Please be respectful

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 it's foolish to argue with foolish peopleif i receive unpleasant message, i just ignore it (keep quiet)

  
 

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#227944 — Re: Please be respectful

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On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 11:52:20AM +0000, Long Wind wrote:
>  it's foolish to argue with foolish peopleif i receive unpleasant message, i just ignore it (keep quiet)

In general, this is a good strategy. Still, there are people
around who feel hurt by things and are too shy to speak up;
it's thinking of those that I do sometimes.

It's a fine line to walk: of course I only have my subjective
impression as a guide, and that may be wrong, so it's quite
possible that I'm being unjust when I speak up.

So I sincerely hope to be corrected in those case. That's the
only way to learn.

Cheers
 - t

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#227947 — Re: Please be respectful

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On Du, 18 oct 20, 14:12:32, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 11:52:20AM +0000, Long Wind wrote:
> >  it's foolish to argue with foolish peopleif i receive unpleasant message, i just ignore it (keep quiet)
> 
> In general, this is a good strategy. Still, there are people
> around who feel hurt by things and are too shy to speak up;
> it's thinking of those that I do sometimes.
> 
> It's a fine line to walk: of course I only have my subjective
> impression as a guide, and that may be wrong, so it's quite
> possible that I'm being unjust when I speak up.
> 
> So I sincerely hope to be corrected in those case. That's the
> only way to learn.

I fully agree and subscribe to the above.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#227966 — Re: Please be respectful

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    On Sunday, October 18, 2020, 8:12:54 AM EDT, <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:  
In general, this is a good strategy. Still, there are people
around who feel hurt by things and are too shy to speak up;
it's thinking of those that I do sometimes.


i'm able to keep quiet, because i remind myself that others' word isn't necessarily truth. not responding doesn't necessarily mean tacitly admitting i'm wrong. it's not easy to control one's feeling, but my experience has taught me that it's often more difficult to change others' behavior. 
in your word i'm shy, actully i'm in poor health,  i have to save energy, getting angry isn't good to health.
  

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#227969 — Re: Please be respectful

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On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 11:50:36AM +0000, Long Wind wrote:
>  
>     On Sunday, October 18, 2020, 8:12:54 AM EDT, <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:  
> In general, this is a good strategy. Still, there are people
> around who feel hurt by things and are too shy to speak up;
> it's thinking of those that I do sometimes.
> 
> 
> i'm able to keep quiet, because i remind myself that others' word isn't necessarily truth. not responding doesn't necessarily mean tacitly admitting i'm wrong. it's not easy to control one's feeling, but my experience has taught me that it's often more difficult to change others' behavior. 

This is wise. As I said, I totally respect your position. I tried
to explain how I try to do things, but I was in no way proposing
that you do the same. This would be arrogant :-)

> in your word i'm shy, actully i'm in poor health,  i have to save energy, getting angry isn't good to health.

Sorry if I came across that way. I wasn't questioning your motives
at all: I'm not entitled to that.

As to your health, I wish you strength to cope with that. And
good friends.

Cheers
 - t

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#228156 — Re: Please be respectful

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On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 05:45:07AM -0500, Leslie Rhorer wrote:
> 
> 
> On 10/18/2020 7:12 AM, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 11:52:20AM +0000, Long Wind wrote:
> >>  it's foolish to argue with foolish peopleif i receive unpleasant message, i just ignore it (keep quiet)
> >
> >In general, this is a good strategy.
> 
> 	In general, I disagree.

Leslie, I stopped discussing with you for a long while. I'm not
interested in picking it up now.

Bye
 - t

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#227784

On 10/14/20, kaye n <guikaye@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Let's say there are three files with the names -
>> > apple-pie
>> > banana-split
>> > orange-juice
>> >
>> > On the file manager window, I would type the letter o and the file
>> > 'orange-juice' would be selected.  However, I would also want the
>> > ability to select that file by typing j (for juice).
>> >
>> > This is possible with another file manager, but not with Thunar as far
>> > as I can tell.
>> > Am I wrong?  What other file managers would you recommend for my
>> > Debian system that has that feature?

Don't know if you're in Stable, OldStable, Testing, etc., but at least
the Testing version of 'pcmanfm-qt' has that feature, you can try it.
Maybe also 'nautilus', but I'm not sure and can't check it now.

> I realize my question may be an eye-roller for some people, but
>
> "as I learnt to read years ago,"
>
> is the type of answer that makes non-Linux users think that we're a bunch
> of elitist snob.

Bad answer, certainly.

> Thanks anyway

Hope this options serve your purpose.

Best regards.

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