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  WINE vs Virtual Machine for Windows app on Buster manish tripathi <manishtrips@gmail.com> - 2020-06-27 11:00 +0200
    Re: WINE vs Virtual Machine for Windows app on Buster Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-06-27 11:30 +0200
    Re: WINE vs Virtual Machine for Windows app on Buster l0f4r0@tuta.io - 2020-06-27 12:00 +0200
      Re: WINE vs Virtual Machine for Windows app on Buster manish tripathi <manishtrips@gmail.com> - 2020-06-27 12:50 +0200
        Re: WINE vs Virtual Machine for Windows app on Buster Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2020-06-27 15:00 +0200
          Re: WINE vs Virtual Machine for Windows app on Buster manish tripathi <manishtrips@gmail.com> - 2020-06-27 18:50 +0200
    Re: WINE vs Virtual Machine for Windows app on Buster l0f4r0@tuta.io - 2020-06-27 12:20 +0200

#224095 — WINE vs Virtual Machine for Windows app on Buster

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Can someone advise if a VM is a better option than using WINE, to run a
application built on Windows OS on Debian/Buster. Open to other suggestions
as well.

Thanks

Trips

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* On 2020 27 Jun 03:59 -0500, manish tripathi wrote:
> Can someone advise if a VM is a better option than using WINE, to run a
> application built on Windows OS on Debian/Buster. Open to other suggestions
> as well.

My experience is that it depends on the application and what Windows
calls it makes and what libraries it depends on.  I try an old Windows
program named Morse Runner on occasion in Wine and the sound is
generally distorted and broken whereas it works fine on a real Windows
OS.  I also used another program named N1MM+ that will play .WAV files
in Wine and its audio is smooth.  N1MM+ is a .Net application and that
is troublesome in Wine but it can be made to work.  I have tried
programs that rely on later versions of .Net and given up.

Try Wine and if it's satisfactory, stick with it.  All you lose is a bit
of time and you can gain some "experience"!

- Nate

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#224102

Hi,

27 juin 2020 à 10:58 de manishtrips@gmail.com:

> Can someone advise if a VM is a better option than using WINE, to run a application built on Windows OS on Debian/Buster. Open to other suggestions as well. 
>
Nate's already given the gist but I think you should clarify whether your question is general (any Windows-compatible application) or not (specific application).

Clearly, if your question is general there is no definitive answer. You won't have any guarantee of success because it depends on a lot of factors and on your expectations/tolerance about your experience. The cost (Windows guest OS licence) and security (compartmentalization) aspects are not the same as well!

If your question is rather specific, so you have an application in mind and you should tell us about its name at least so investigation/user feedbacks could be possible.
Here is a good start regarding Wine compatibility:  https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&sTitle=Browse Applications&sOrderBy=appName&bAscending=true

Best regards,
l0f4r0

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#224104

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Thank you for the responses. I was looking for a general purpose
solution...I can safely assume that VM soln may mostly work, while the same
may not be guaranteed with use of WINE.

Can one also explain about the malware that may impact my Linux/Buster, in
case I use a VM for running my Windows app and what can I do to minimise
such impact.

Many thanks.

Trips




On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 3:26 PM <l0f4r0@tuta.io> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> 27 juin 2020 à 10:58 de manishtrips@gmail.com:
>
> > Can someone advise if a VM is a better option than using WINE, to run a
> application built on Windows OS on Debian/Buster. Open to other suggestions
> as well.
> >
> Nate's already given the gist but I think you should clarify whether your
> question is general (any Windows-compatible application) or not (specific
> application).
>
> Clearly, if your question is general there is no definitive answer. You
> won't have any guarantee of success because it depends on a lot of factors
> and on your expectations/tolerance about your experience. The cost (Windows
> guest OS licence) and security (compartmentalization) aspects are not the
> same as well!
>
> If your question is rather specific, so you have an application in mind
> and you should tell us about its name at least so investigation/user
> feedbacks could be possible.
> Here is a good start regarding Wine compatibility:
> https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&sTitle=Browse
> Applications&sOrderBy=appName&bAscending=true
>
> Best regards,
> l0f4r0
>
>

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* On 2020 27 Jun 05:48 -0500, manish tripathi wrote:
> Thank you for the responses. I was looking for a general purpose
> solution...I can safely assume that VM soln may mostly work, while the same
> may not be guaranteed with use of WINE.

IME, Qemu has various issues with Windows guests, such things as the
mouse cursor not being able to go to certain desktop edges after a time
of running.  I found VirtualBox was much better suited for Windows
guests but VB is not a part of Buster or Bullseye in the main
repositories so I had to install the packages made available by Lucas
Nussbaum for Buster: https://people.debian.org/~lucas/virtualbox-buster/

> Can one also explain about the malware that may impact my Linux/Buster, in
> case I use a VM for running my Windows app and what can I do to minimise
> such impact.

Someone may have better information, but it seems to me that the VM is
rather well sandboxed whether Qemu or VB.  If there are shared folders
then malware could have access to those files and the network.
Certainly, anything/everything in the VM could be compromised.
VirtualBox has the feature of snapshots so that a VM could be rolled
back to a known (suspected?) good state.

- Nate

-- 

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."

Web: https://www.n0nb.us
Projects: https://github.com/N0NB
GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819

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#224112

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Thank you Nate. That is quite informative. In my case there is no need to
share files over a network, though some data may be required to be stored
in the local machine.

Trips



On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 6:27 PM Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> wrote:

> * On 2020 27 Jun 05:48 -0500, manish tripathi wrote:
> > Thank you for the responses. I was looking for a general purpose
> > solution...I can safely assume that VM soln may mostly work, while the
> same
> > may not be guaranteed with use of WINE.
>
> IME, Qemu has various issues with Windows guests, such things as the
> mouse cursor not being able to go to certain desktop edges after a time
> of running.  I found VirtualBox was much better suited for Windows
> guests but VB is not a part of Buster or Bullseye in the main
> repositories so I had to install the packages made available by Lucas
> Nussbaum for Buster: https://people.debian.org/~lucas/virtualbox-buster/
>
> > Can one also explain about the malware that may impact my Linux/Buster,
> in
> > case I use a VM for running my Windows app and what can I do to minimise
> > such impact.
>
> Someone may have better information, but it seems to me that the VM is
> rather well sandboxed whether Qemu or VB.  If there are shared folders
> then malware could have access to those files and the network.
> Certainly, anything/everything in the VM could be compromised.
> VirtualBox has the feature of snapshots so that a VM could be rolled
> back to a known (suspected?) good state.
>
> - Nate
>
> --
>
> "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
> possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."
>
> Web: https://www.n0nb.us
> Projects: https://github.com/N0NB
> GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819
>
>

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#224103

27 juin 2020 à 11:55 de l0f4r0@tuta.io:

> You won't have any guarantee of success because it depends on a lot of factors and on your expectations/tolerance about your experience.
>
Of course I was speaking about Wine here ;)
I don't think you could possibly have any  issue on a  VM as most (all?)   Windows softwares can run under a virtual environment (the only counter-examples I'm aware of are some malwares that detect they are running inside a VM so they can adapt their behavior)...

l0f4r0

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