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Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ?

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On 28/09/18 8:00 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Greg Wooledge wrote:
>> In the case of the BurnCd page, I actually *do* think that it would be
>> of general interest to readers to have a paragraph explaining the limits
>> of wodim, and when not to use it.
> 
> Let me try ... hrr-umm ... 
> 
> wodim was cloned from cdrecord in 2006. At that time, cdrecord had few
> clue about DVD burning and hid this behind a 1 GB size limit of the
> free program version. The full size version was not available at all.
> wodim got implanted DVD-related code from an earlier cdrecord clone
> which hacked around the size limitation.
> 
> But still wodim is handling any DVD as if it was a large CD-R.
> This works halfways with DVD-R and, depending the medium state, with
> other media after due rejection of inappropriate SCSI commands by the
> drive.
> But it is awful, specs-wise !
> 
> wodim is factually abandoned by its cloners Joerg Jaspert, Steve McIntyre,
> and Eduard Bloch. Its home page is gone, its change history is gone.
> 
> In contrast to that, the doings of dvd+rw-tools (growisofs) and of libburn
> can be justified by the MMC-5 specs. In case of libburn there is even an
> active upstream developer (myself).
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> But who wants to read about 12 year old quarrels between Debian Developers
> and the upstream developer of cdrecord ?
> 
> My way to express the current technical situation was the statement:
> 
>   "wodim should better not be used with DVD or BD media."
> 
> which now became
> 
>   "Some believe it would be better if wodim were not used with DVD or BD
>    media. Perhaps so, but there are many variables involved, most
>    especially burner types and condition, and media quality.
>    '''Burn on one does not necessarily mean readable on another.'''"
> 
> It is not the opinion of "some". It is the opionion of me, the expert (tm).
> 
> And yes, there are ill burners and media which produce poorly readble
> results. But this is _not_ normal. If hardware behaves that way, then
> it is to blame, and not the burn program.
> (Even wodims's failures are repeatable.)

How about something like:

"wodim may sometimes work with DVD or BD media, but the results will not
meet the relevant specifications."

or perhaps s/work/appear to work/

Note: I have no expertise in this area; I'm merely interpreting the
comments above.

Richard

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Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-09-27 18:10 +0200
  Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2018-09-27 22:10 +0200
    Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2018-09-28 07:40 +0200
      Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2018-09-28 11:00 +0200
        Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 11:20 +0200
          Re: DVD+R DL and BD media. Was: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2018-09-28 11:40 +0200
        Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-09-28 12:30 +0200
          Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2018-09-28 12:50 +0200
            Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-09-28 13:20 +0200
              Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2018-09-28 15:10 +0200
            Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-09-28 15:40 +0200
        Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-09-28 16:50 +0200
          Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-09-28 17:00 +0200
            Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-09-28 17:40 +0200
              Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2018-09-28 17:50 +0200
                Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-09-28 18:10 +0200
                Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-09-28 18:20 +0200
                Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-09-28 20:30 +0200
                Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-09-28 21:50 +0200
                Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-09-28 20:30 +0200
                Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2018-09-28 21:30 +0200
              Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-09-28 17:50 +0200
              Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-09-28 18:20 +0200
          Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-09-28 17:00 +0200
      Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-09-28 19:30 +0200
    Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-09-28 10:10 +0200
      Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2018-09-28 20:10 +0200
        Future of cdrkit. Was: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2018-09-28 21:10 +0200
  Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-09-27 22:10 +0200
    Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-09-28 13:10 +0200
      Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-09-28 14:10 +0200
        Re: How to react on a factually wrong Debian wiki change ? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-09-28 15:30 +0200

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