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On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 10:21:57PM +0000, Joe wrote:

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> > This is precisely why e-mail server should never send bounces to
> > non-local senders. When sender is spoofed as in this case then is hit
> > with thousands of DSNs.

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> You do it by never accepting email for non-existent users. The problem
> is the use of a mail server which accepts absolutely anything for the
> domain, then finds that the end user rejects the rubbish. Having
> accepted it in the first place, the receiving mail server is then
> required to admit that it can't deliver it, by means of an NDR. It does
> this using the reply-to address, which is easily forged.

"never" is too strong a word. This is a corollary of the fundamental
law "all generalizations suck".

But yes, in general it is a bad idea to bounce a mail automatically
if you don't have control over its provenience.

FWIW, I did the experiment and sent a mail to a random user at one
of Michelle's reported domains: I got no bounce.

This is a strong hint (no proof, mind you!) that the whole bounces
are spoofed in this case. The reported headers in those bounces
do look strange (to me, anyway), but I'm willing to admit that I'm
not smart enough to grok them.

Cheers
- -- tomás
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More then 2800 spams from the list... "Michelle Konzack" <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> - 2018-03-19 14:00 +0100
  Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-03-19 14:20 +0100
    Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-03-19 15:50 +0100
      Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-03-19 15:50 +0100
        Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2018-03-19 16:10 +0100
          Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-03-19 16:30 +0100
            Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... "Michelle Konzack" <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> - 2018-03-19 16:40 +0100
              Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... Jim Popovitch <jim@k4vqc.com> - 2018-03-19 17:00 +0100
              Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-03-19 17:30 +0100
                Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2018-03-19 18:50 +0100
                Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... Tony van der Hoff <lists@vanderhoff.org> - 2018-03-19 19:20 +0100
                Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-03-19 19:30 +0100
                Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... "Michelle Konzack" <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> - 2018-03-19 19:40 +0100
          Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-03-19 16:40 +0100
          Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-03-19 18:20 +0100
      Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-03-19 16:00 +0100
  Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... Karol Augustin <karol@augustin.pl> - 2018-03-19 19:40 +0100
    Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... Nick Boyce <nick@steelyglint.org> - 2018-03-19 22:20 +0100
      Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... Karol Augustin <karol@augustin.pl> - 2018-03-19 22:40 +0100
    Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-03-19 23:30 +0100
      Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-03-20 09:00 +0100
        Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-03-20 10:30 +0100
          Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-03-20 10:50 +0100
          Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-03-20 13:30 +0100
            Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-03-20 14:40 +0100
              Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-03-20 14:50 +0100
          Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... "Michelle Konzack" <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> - 2018-03-20 20:00 +0100
            Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-03-21 01:20 +0100
              Re: More then 2800 spams from the list... Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2018-03-21 08:10 +0100

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