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Re: Removing libsystemd0 from a non-systemd system

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On Sun, 6 May 2018, Patrick Bartek wrote:

> On Sun, 6 May 2018 02:44:16 +0000 (UTC) David Griffith <dave@661.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Have any advances been made in figuring out just how to remove 
>> libsystemd0 from a Debian 9 machine that's running sysvinit?  The 
>> ongoing presence of libsystemd0 has caused slowly-progressing trouble 
>> with several machines of mine culminating in complete failure a couple 
>> days ago.  Initially I thought this was unrelated to systemd, but now I 
>> tracked it down to systemd's remnants and the problem is progressing 
>> much faster with freshly-installed machines.
>
> First, how exactly did you convert to sysvinit, etc? And what kind of
> trouble?
>
> I've been running Stretch with sysvinit for almost a year -- as
> a personal machine, not a server -- and have had absolutely NO
> problems.  Here's the link I used:
>
> http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_Stretch_installation
>
> I used the very first conversion steps, the simplest one, and none
> of the optional ones.  No pinning.  No third-party systemdless repos,
> etc. I still have systemd libraries including libsystemd0 for those apps
> that have systemd as a dependenciy.  No problems.  Totally removing
> systemd is a pain requiring third-party systemdless repos and keeping a
> wary eye out for problems. I did it a couple times as part of my
> experiments, and always had glitches.
>
> One thing did just occur to me: Are you using the GNOME desktop?  I've
> heard stories about it and systemd.  It is VERY dependent on it. I
> haven't used GNOME whatever version for about 7 years. I use only a
> window manager Openbox.

I followed that same thing you did as soon as the machine was installed. 
I also did optional steps 2 and 3.  I didn't do 1 because all the machines 
in question are headless.  I stopped using GNOME when version 3 came out 
and switched to MATE for most of my desktop needs.

One of the symptoms that made me think libsystemd0 had something to do 
with it was the output of "apt-get upgrade".  It would always report "1 
not upgraded" or "2 not upgraded".

The trouble manifested in dependency hell and networking that would 
mysteriously stop for no readily apparent reason (on reboot after kernel 
upgrade or out of the blue).  Usually networking could be regained by 
doing a LISH login and manually turning on the network interfaces.  Then 
interface names started changing randomly.  This was after names like 
"eth0" and friends were abandoned.  Servers died by way of networking only 
working halfway, no matter what I did.  I was able to ssh in and do scp 
and rsync transfers, but that was about it.

What's the point of allowing libsystemd0 to exist when systemd has been 
purged?

Is anyone working on a mechanism to allow for install-time selection of a 
desired init?  I brought this up a few times since systemd came to Debian, 
but I've never heard anything more on this.


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David Griffith
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Removing libsystemd0 from a non-systemd system David Griffith <dave@661.org> - 2018-05-06 05:20 +0200
  Re: Removing libsystemd0 from a non-systemd system <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-05-06 09:00 +0200
  Re: Removing libsystemd0 from a non-systemd system Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 19:20 +0200
    Re: Removing libsystemd0 from a non-systemd system David Griffith <dave@661.org> - 2018-05-07 03:50 +0200
      Re: Removing libsystemd0 from a non-systemd system The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2018-05-07 04:30 +0200
        Re: Removing libsystemd0 from a non-systemd system David Griffith <dave@661.org> - 2018-05-07 08:40 +0200
          Re: Removing libsystemd0 from a non-systemd system Ansgar Burchardt <"Ansgar Burchardt"@43-1.org> - 2018-05-07 10:00 +0200
      Re: Removing libsystemd0 from a non-systemd system Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 22:00 +0200
        Re: Removing libsystemd0 from a non-systemd system Abdullah Ramazanoğlu <ar018@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-08 01:50 +0200
          Re: Removing libsystemd0 from a non-systemd system <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-05-08 06:40 +0200
            Re: Removing libsystemd0 from a non-systemd system David Griffith <dave@661.org> - 2018-05-08 09:00 +0200
            Re: Removing libsystemd0 from a non-systemd system Abdullah Ramazanoğlu <ar018@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-08 11:30 +0200

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