Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook

From	Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook
Date	2017-09-14 17:00 +0200
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On Thursday 14 September 2017 08:18:03 tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 12:59:04PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > With IMAP, the expectation is that your MUA is just a viewer of
> > email. The mail is stored elsewhere and you want to
> > read/reply/manage it without worrying about storing it.
>
> [...]
>
> While in principle you are absolutely right, I've found out
> that IMAP in combination with fetchmail works wonderfully as
> a "better POP3". IDLE alone is worth it, but also much better
> error recovery etc.
>
> Cheers
> -- tomás

Begin rant:

The problem I have with that is the exposure. With my ISP's dovecot setup 
serving as both imap access and pop3, which I am using via fetchmail, is 
that because a huge fraction of their clients use imap, they have 
disabled fetchmails ability to dele the successfully downloaded message. 
THis is based on the premise, probably correct, that the average M$ user 
hasn't a clue and leaves the defaults set in OE or whatever.

Since they without doubt have a backdoor for the snooping agencies, this 
exposes my mail to these people for 1000's of times longer (If I do it 
once a week for instance) compared to fetchmail pulling and deleting it 
every 3 minutes.  Its also a cast iron bitch to maintain, requiring me 
to log into the webmail portal, move the old mail to the trash 100 at a 
time, then finally discover by clicking on the trash that the 29000 
messages I just deleted are in the trash folder and still readable, and 
it takes their machines about 5 minutes and several more clicks on the 
ok button popup to delete them too. I hadn't done that since the end of 
may, so all that tomfoolery took about an hour and a half in the night 
last night. :(

However, their spam filtering is truly excellent.

So my question to the fetchmail list last night was how to I convert the 
dele into to a move this msg to trash, and when its done with the 
current login, empty the trash.  I'll probably get ignored based on 
people in hell wanting ice water. :)

I have, live, a 5 machine home network here, and IMO here is where imap 
belongs, so I could do my email from any of these machines by pulling 
from their server with fetchmail, and making it available to any of 
these machines by imaping it. But I have been told, repeatedly, that 
such an interfaceing between the maildir/mailfile filtered incoming 
pop3'd messages database that kmail maintains and a dovecot local server 
working from that email corpus is not possible. TBT, methinks I am being 
lied to. It ought to be a packaged script, apt installable, that needs 
only the local networks address configured to make it usefull.  Not all 
local networks are on 192.168.0.0/24.

/rant:

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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Thread

getting mail from Exchange/Outlook Steve Kleene <skdeb@syrano.acb.uc.edu> - 2017-09-13 21:50 +0200
  Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2017-09-13 22:20 +0200
  Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2017-09-13 22:20 +0200
  Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook Sarunas Burdulis <sarunas@math.dartmouth.edu> - 2017-09-13 22:40 +0200
  Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-09-13 22:50 +0200
  Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-09-14 09:00 +0200
  Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-09-14 10:00 +0200
    Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-09-14 13:40 +0200
      Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2017-09-14 14:00 +0200
        Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-09-14 14:20 +0200
          Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-09-14 17:00 +0200
            Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-09-14 17:30 +0200
              Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2017-09-14 18:00 +0200
                Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-09-14 18:20 +0200
                Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2017-09-14 18:30 +0200
                Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-09-14 18:40 +0200
                Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2017-09-15 05:10 +0200
                Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-09-15 14:20 +0200
                Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2017-09-16 16:40 +0200
                Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-09-16 17:30 +0200
                Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2017-09-16 18:10 +0200
                Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-09-14 18:40 +0200
                Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-09-15 03:30 +0200
                OT: Crossing toll bridges (was Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-09-15 14:50 +0200
              Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-09-14 18:30 +0200
            Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2017-09-14 18:10 +0200
              Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-09-14 19:00 +0200
      Why IMAP instead of POP3 [was: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-09-14 14:20 +0200
        Re: Why IMAP instead of POP3 [was: getting mail from  Exchange/Outlook] Frank <zuiderduin@gmx.com> - 2017-09-14 16:50 +0200
          Re: Why IMAP instead of POP3 [was: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-09-14 17:00 +0200
            Re: Why IMAP instead of POP3 [was: getting mail from  Exchange/Outlook] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-09-14 17:30 +0200
              Re: Why IMAP instead of POP3 [was: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-09-14 18:40 +0200
      Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2017-09-14 14:40 +0200
      Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-09-14 18:20 +0200
  Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook soyeomul@doraji.xyz (Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙)) - 2017-09-14 15:00 +0200
    Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-09-14 17:40 +0200
  Re: getting mail from Exchange/Outlook Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2017-09-15 04:30 +0200

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