Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso

From	David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso
Date	2017-03-08 19:20 +0100
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On Wed 08 Mar 2017 at 16:29:00 (+0000), GiaThnYgeia wrote:
> Hello, this is OP speaking :)

> My use is about 96% backing up the image and only when things fall apart
> will there be a restoring attempt.  But what good would saving multiple
> successive images be if none can be ever restored?

This is the nature of backups. Careful people make backups and test
them for integrity. The next thing they typically do with the backup
devices (sticks, drives, tapes, etc) is use them the same way at a
later date. Most backups are never restored; they just go through an
endless rotation of being grandfather, father, son, grandfather…

> >> Yes, yes, this is back to the technical details of making copies.
> > But we are on computers. Technical details matter.

Yes they do, but my point was that others, more qualified, were
discussing the tactics of making copies, and my comment was only about
the strategy: the futility of copying A to B (in a process described
as "backing up") and, without any checking (or any other pressing
need) copying B back over A, thereby _potentially_ losing the
integrity of both.

> >>> UPS
> >> ...which cost EUR...?
> 
> I have one on my main personal system and it I can make UPSs better than
> those in the market for less.  I do see the point, if power fails
> through the dd process the image is junk, but the USB didn't fail, it
> just gets backed up when the good power people decide to send juice
> again.  I can live without the PC, my fish will not survive without
> aeration for too long and I am too lazy or may be away to feed them with
> aerated water.

OK, I now get the point that your original post really just described
your exercising a few tools with stuff that was at hand, and that the
1.7GB of data was just something that happened to be on the device.
What validity was being tested, I'm still not sure of.

I apologise for reading the post as a "real world" situation where
the said data carried some value. People on this list running some
systems would risk the sack if they backed up a device and then
immediately overwrote it with the backup, whether or not they were
familiar with the finer details of dd, cp etc.

Cheers,
David.

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Some help with dd backing up into an iso GiaThnYgeia <GiaThnYgeia@openmailbox.org> - 2017-03-07 01:20 +0100
  Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2017-03-07 02:10 +0100
  Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2017-03-07 06:10 +0100
    Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2017-03-07 07:00 +0100
      Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-03-07 09:00 +0100
        Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso GiaThnYgeia <GiaThnYgeia@openmailbox.org> - 2017-03-07 18:30 +0100
          Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-03-07 20:20 +0100
            Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso GiaThnYgeia <GiaThnYgeia@openmailbox.org> - 2017-03-08 05:00 +0100
              Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2017-03-08 07:00 +0100
              Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-03-08 12:10 +0100
                MBR partitioning, and content after partition table but before first  partition David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2017-03-09 06:50 +0100
                Re: MBR partitioning, and content after partition table but before  first partition Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-09 08:00 +0100
                Re: MBR partitioning, and content after partition table but before  first partition David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2017-03-10 06:10 +0100
                Re: MBR partitioning, and content after partition table but before  first partition Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-03-10 10:00 +0100
                Re: MBR partitioning, and content after partition table but before  first partition David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2017-03-11 07:10 +0100
                Re: MBR partitioning, and content after partition table but before  first partition Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-03-13 10:10 +0100
                Re: MBR partitioning, and content after partition table but before  first partition David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2017-03-14 04:40 +0100
                Re: MBR partitioning, and content after partition table but before  first partition David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 11:40 +0100
                Re: MBR partitioning, and content after partition table but before  first partition David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2017-03-15 03:50 +0100
                Re: MBR partitioning, and content after partition table but before  first partition The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2017-03-14 13:00 +0100
                Re: MBR partitioning, and content after partition table but before  first partition David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2017-03-15 04:10 +0100
                Re: MBR partitioning, and content after partition table but before  first partition Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2017-03-15 04:40 +0100
                Re: MBR partitioning, and content after partition table but before  first partition Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-03-15 13:00 +0100
                Re: MBR partitioning, and content after partition table but before first partition "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-03-09 08:30 +0100
                Re: MBR partitioning, and content after partition table but before  first partition Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-03-09 15:40 +0100
    Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2017-03-07 09:30 +0100
      Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-03-07 09:40 +0100
        Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2017-03-07 10:00 +0100
          Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-03-07 10:10 +0100
          Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-03-07 16:20 +0100
      Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-03-07 11:10 +0100
      Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2017-03-08 06:00 +0100
  Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2017-03-07 12:10 +0100
  Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2017-03-07 14:50 +0100
  Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso Elimar Riesebieter <riesebie@lxtec.de> - 2017-03-07 15:20 +0100
  Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-03-07 16:20 +0100
    Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-03-07 18:10 +0100
      Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-03-07 19:00 +0100
        Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-03-07 20:30 +0100
          Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-03-07 21:30 +0100
            Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-03-07 22:10 +0100
              Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso GiaThnYgeia <GiaThnYgeia@openmailbox.org> - 2017-03-08 18:30 +0100
                Re: Some help with dd backing up into an iso David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-03-08 19:20 +0100

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