Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

From	Don Armstrong <don@debian.org>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages
Date	2016-09-28 23:50 +0200
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2016, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> As a general rule, I find that using Debian packaging for perl makes
> absolutely no sense - and often problematic.

There is pretty much a 1:1 mapping from CPAN packages to Debian
packages. The only thing which is even remotely complicated is how perl
itself is packaged, because many things link against perl, and when the
perl API and/or ABI change, they all have to be rebuilt.

> Perl has its own ecosystem (cpan) that does an incredibly good job of
> packaging, updating, and dependency management. Mixing and matching
> that with Debian packaging, and expecting packagers to keep up with
> updates to lots of different perl modules, is just a recipe for
> disaster.

We have a perl team which handles this pretty effectively, actually, and
has tools to automate the updates to hundreds of CPAN modules.

It also works much better than CPAN when you're deploying to production,
as you can:
 + reproduce the production environment
 + don't have to deal with having compilers, etc. in production,
 + have security support
 + have long-term support

and indeed, if you need something from CPAN which isn't packaged, that's
literally just a dh-make-perl --cpan Foo::Bar; away.

-- 
Don Armstrong                      https://www.donarmstrong.com

If you wish to strive for peace of soul, then believe; if you wish to
be a devotee of truth, then inquire.
 -- Friedrich Nietzsche

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WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 15:30 +0200
  Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2016-09-24 15:50 +0200
    Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 17:40 +0200
      Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-09-24 20:20 +0200
      Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Seeker <seeker5528@comcast.net> - 2016-09-24 21:20 +0200
      Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2016-09-30 09:20 +0200
    Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2016-09-28 17:10 +0200
      Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-09-28 17:50 +0200
        Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2016-09-28 20:00 +0200
          Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2016-09-28 20:40 +0200
            Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2016-09-29 11:10 +0200
              Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2016-09-29 11:20 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2016-09-29 13:30 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2016-09-29 13:50 +0200
          Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2016-09-28 20:40 +0200
          Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2016-09-28 21:40 +0200
            Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2016-09-29 11:10 +0200
          Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-09-28 22:00 +0200
            Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2016-09-28 22:30 +0200
              Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2016-09-28 23:10 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2016-09-28 23:50 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-09-29 11:20 +0200
            Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2016-09-29 11:20 +0200
        Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Andre Majorel <aym-naibed@teaser.fr> - 2016-09-28 22:00 +0200
          Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-09-28 22:30 +0200
          Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2016-09-28 23:10 +0200
            Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2016-09-29 11:00 +0200
              Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2016-09-29 14:20 +0200
              Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2016-09-30 01:10 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2016-09-30 11:40 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2016-09-30 15:40 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2016-10-04 09:10 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-10-04 11:50 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 00:00 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2016-10-05 21:40 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 15:40 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 16:30 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 16:40 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Andre Majorel <aym-naibed@teaser.fr> - 2016-09-30 21:10 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2016-10-01 20:00 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2016-10-04 09:40 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2016-10-04 09:30 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 16:20 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages claude juif <claude.juif@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 07:40 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 00:00 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2016-10-07 16:50 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2016-10-07 22:30 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 01:10 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2016-10-13 01:50 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2016-12-07 16:10 +0100
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-12-08 00:50 +0100
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2016-12-16 12:50 +0100
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-12-16 19:10 +0100
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2016-12-19 12:40 +0100
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-12-19 20:00 +0100
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2016-12-20 01:40 +0100
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-12-21 20:00 +0100
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-12-21 21:20 +0100
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-12-16 20:00 +0100
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages claude juif <claude.juif@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 07:30 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 18:00 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages claude juif <claude.juif@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 18:30 +0200
                Unsubscribing in order to killfile one individual.  Was: Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 01:50 +0200
                Re: Unsubscribing in order to killfile one individual. Was: Re:  WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2016-10-10 03:20 +0200
                Re: Unsubscribing in order to killfile one individual. Was: Re:  WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-10-10 10:10 +0200
                Re: Unsubscribing in order to killfile one individual. Was: Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 13:20 +0200
                Re: Unsubscribing in order to killfile one individual. Was: Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 13:20 +0200
                Re: Unsubscribing in order to killfile one individual. Was: Re:  WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-10-10 20:10 +0200
                Re: Unsubscribing in order to killfile one individual. Was: Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 23:40 +0200
              Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-09-30 17:20 +0200
                Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2016-09-30 20:10 +0200
          Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2016-10-01 10:30 +0200
  Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-09-24 15:50 +0200
    Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 18:00 +0200
    Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 18:20 +0200
      Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2016-09-24 18:40 +0200
        Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@galactic.demon.co.uk> - 2016-09-24 20:30 +0200
          Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-09-24 20:40 +0200
  Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 19:00 +0200
    Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-09-24 20:20 +0200
  Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable  packages Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2016-09-24 23:40 +0200

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