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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.user |
| Subject | Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages |
| Date | 2016-09-29 11:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <smFFw-28g-5@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
| References | (3 earlier) <smpho-by-19@gated-at.bofh.it> <smrjb-1pQ-7@gated-at.bofh.it> <smtbj-2Ad-9@gated-at.bofh.it> <smtEm-30U-17@gated-at.bofh.it> <smuh4-3tr-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
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On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 05:03:26PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> As a general rule, I find that using Debian packaging for perl makes
> absolutely no sense - and often problematic.
It's more complicated than this. There are other (non-Perl, non-CPAN)
Debian packages dependent on Perl modules. Thus such a swaying statement
is almost surely wrong.
> Perl has its own ecosystem (cpan) that does an incredibly good job
> of packaging [...]
As has been stated elsewhere in this thread, Perl is a particularly
happy example of cross-package-system work. Most Perl packages are
co-maintained by the Debian Perl packaging group, are reasonably
up to date and interact well with the odd self-installed package.
> Far better to install perl manually and use cpan to manage updates
> and installs.
Again such an absolute statement. Put this way, that makes no sense.
It depends on *for whom*. If I'm mostly interested in Gnu R, because
I'm a biologist, and just want to have a reasonably working Debian
underneath (perhaps with some odd DBI and DBD::Pg or whatever), then
it'd be nonsense to use CPAN.
FWIW, Perl *is* one of my main languages, and I don't use CPAN on
my Debian box (although I use it regularly on some customer's
Redhat boxes, which tend to be too old). OTOH -- I compile my Emacs,
because I don't like the distro's defaults.
For me, that's exactly the invaluable help of the distro: it lets
me pick my fights and keeps my back clear of fights I don't want
to pick. And those will be different for each person.
Only when upstream is too obnoxious ("always use the latest and
greatest or..." -- Ruby, I'm looking at you!), it becomes difficult
to package properly for a distro. But I tend to avoid those
places. Perl isn't like that.
regards
- -- t
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WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 15:30 +0200
Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2016-09-24 15:50 +0200
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Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2016-09-30 09:20 +0200
Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2016-09-28 17:10 +0200
Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-09-28 17:50 +0200
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Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2016-09-28 23:10 +0200
Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2016-09-28 23:50 +0200
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Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2016-09-29 11:20 +0200
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Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2016-09-30 01:10 +0200
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Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2016-10-04 09:10 +0200
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Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2016-10-04 09:30 +0200
Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 16:20 +0200
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Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 00:00 +0200
Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2016-10-07 16:50 +0200
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Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2016-12-19 12:40 +0100
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Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2016-12-20 01:40 +0100
Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-12-21 20:00 +0100
Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-12-21 21:20 +0100
Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-12-16 20:00 +0100
Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages claude juif <claude.juif@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 07:30 +0200
Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 18:00 +0200
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Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-09-30 17:20 +0200
Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2016-09-30 20:10 +0200
Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2016-10-01 10:30 +0200
Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-09-24 15:50 +0200
Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 18:00 +0200
Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 18:20 +0200
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Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-09-24 20:40 +0200
Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 19:00 +0200
Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-09-24 20:20 +0200
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