Re: Debian *not very good

From	The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: Debian *not very good
Date	2016-11-25 21:40 +0100
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On 2016-11-25 at 14:02, Joel Wirāmu Pauling wrote:

> Seriously tho; If you had RTFM you would have known systemd and
> friends were going to be the default on upgrade and taken steps to
> migrate your init.d scripts beforehand.

To be fair, it's entirely reasonable to expect that a change in what
defaults will only affect new installs, not upgrades; in an upgrade
scenario, the defaults have already been applied (during the original
install), so there's no reason for the new defaults to get invoked.

As I tried to point out repeatedly during the major periods of the
systemd debate, different people understand the word "default" in
different ways; the interpretation which I would take out of it does not
necessarily match the interpretation which you would take out of it, and
the interpretation which the speaker meant by it may be different again.
Thus, talking about a change in the default - without clarifying exactly
what you understand "default" to mean - is not particularly helpful for
conveying information.

Looking back now, I would also add that the interpretation which seems
to have been implemented in actual practice is one of the broadest
available.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.         -- George Bernard Shaw

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Debian *not very good oldbluebear <nvis@eircom.net> - 2016-11-25 16:50 +0100
  Re: Debian *not very good Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-11-25 17:40 +0100
    Re: Debian *not very good The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2016-11-25 21:40 +0100
      Re: Debian *not very good David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-11-26 04:00 +0100
    Re: Debian *not very good Latincom <latincom@vcn.bc.ca> - 2016-11-25 22:30 +0100
      Re: Debian *not very good Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-11-26 01:00 +0100
      Re: Debian *not very good Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 01:00 +0100
        Jessie upgrade without systemd [was: Debian *not very good] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-11-26 10:20 +0100
          Re: Jessie upgrade without systemd [was: Debian *not very good] Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-11-26 11:50 +0100
            Re: Jessie upgrade without systemd [was: Debian *not very good] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-11-26 14:50 +0100
            Re: Jessie upgrade without systemd [was: Debian *not very good] Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2016-11-26 15:10 +0100
              Re: Jessie upgrade without systemd [was: Debian *not very good] Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-11-26 16:00 +0100
                Re: Jessie upgrade without systemd [was: Debian *not very good] Mart van de Wege <mvdwege@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 18:40 +0100
            Jessie upgrade without systemd [was: Debian *not very good] Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.com> - 2016-12-03 19:10 +0100
          Re: Jessie upgrade without systemd [was: Debian *not very good] Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2016-11-27 22:50 +0100
          Re: Jessie upgrade without systemd [was: Debian *not very good] Marc Shapiro <marcnshap@gmail.com> - 2016-11-30 04:40 +0100
      Re: Debian *not very good Rob van der Putten <rob@sput.nl> - 2016-11-26 18:40 +0100
        Re: Debian *not very good Rob van der Putten <rob@sput.nl> - 2016-11-26 19:00 +0100
        Re: Debian *not very good Latincom <latincom@vcn.bc.ca> - 2016-11-28 08:30 +0100
  Network connection fails during boot [Was: Debian *not very good] Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2016-11-25 18:00 +0100
  Re: Debian *not very good David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2016-11-25 21:10 +0100
  Re: Debian *not very good Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-11-26 00:10 +0100
  Re: Debian *not very good Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-11-26 05:20 +0100
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