Re: problem e-mailing debian groups

From	Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: problem e-mailing debian groups
Date	2015-11-14 02:30 +0100
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On 11/13/15 8:12 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Saturday 14 November 2015 00:43:43 Miles Fidelman wrote:
>> On 11/13/15 7:15 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>>> On Friday 13 November 2015 22:14:30 Don Armstrong wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015, Steve Kleene wrote:
>>>>> Almost five years ago, I became unable to post questions here by
>>>>> e-mail. The
>>>>>
>>>>> e-mail bounces with, for example:
>>>>>> The following message to <debian-user@lists.debian.org> was
>>>>>> undeliverable. The reason for the problem:
>>>>>> 5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'5.1.7
>>>>> <prvs=752320ad2=skdeb@syrano.acb.uc.edu>: Sender address rejected:
>>>>> undeliverable address: host syrano.acb.uc.edu[129.137.3.161] said: 550
>>>>> 5.1.1 <prvs=752320ad2=skdeb@syrano.acb.uc.edu>... User unknown (in
>>>>> reply to RCPT TO comm
>>>>>
>>>>>> --4pO84.596/vqwKa.2j26M/gYqU.DibVXRw
>>>>>> content-type: message/delivery-status
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reporting-MTA: dns; ucmailmx4.uc.edu
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Final-Recipient: rfc822;debian-user@lists.debian.org
>>>>>> Action: failed
>>>>>> Status: 5.0.0 (permanent failure)
>>>>>> Remote-MTA: dns; [82.195.75.100]
>>>>>> Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'5.1.7
>>>>> <prvsu2320ad2=skdeb@syrano.acb.uc.edu>: Sender address rejected:
>>>>> undeliverable address: host syrano.acb.uc.edu[129.137.3.161] said: 550
>>>>> 5.1.1 <prvsu2320ad2=skdeb@syrano.acb.uc.edu>... User unknown (in re
>>>>>
>>>>>> --4pO84.596/vqwKa.2j26M/gYqU.DibVXRw
>>>>>> content-type: message/rfc822
>>>>> This commenced about the time my employer started prepending a bounce
>>>>> address validation tag ("prvs=752320ad2=" in the above example) to my
>>>>> e-mail address on outgoing mails.  This fails with the debian lists but
>>>>> nowhere else.  I have circumvented the problem ever since by posting
>>>>> via gmane.org.
>>>> This is because you are not supporting sender callback verification; the
>>>> envelope from that you are using needs to be an address which can be
>>>> received. If not, it's not valid.
>>>>
>>>> See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callback_verification for details
>>> That's the problem, not the solution, Don.
>> Well the solution is to have a talk with the mail system admin who
>> reconfigured the mail system, and did a half-assed job of it.
> Most employers are going to reconfigure their email systems to suit the hobby
> of one of their employees?  You have obliging employers where you come from!
>
You're assuming it's a hobby.  Quite a few of us use email lists for 
professional purposes.  And you're assuming that the change was a 
reasoned decision made at a high level, not some half-assed management 
decision, with half-assed implementation.

Configuring a server with bounce address validation, but not 
implementing a working validation address is, charitably, an oversight; 
less charitably, it's incompetence.

It's perfectly reasonable to have a talk with whomever administers the 
mail system in question, and suggest that they finish the job. Depending 
on where you sit in the organization, it's quite possible to get stuff 
fixed.

Miles Fidelman

-- 
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.  .... Yogi Berra

Thread

problem e-mailing debian groups Steve Kleene <skdeb@syrano.acb.uc.edu> - 2015-11-13 20:50 +0100
  Re: problem e-mailing debian groups Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com> - 2015-11-13 22:10 +0100
  Re: problem e-mailing debian groups Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2015-11-13 23:20 +0100
    Re: problem e-mailing debian groups Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-14 01:20 +0100
      Re: problem e-mailing debian groups Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2015-11-14 02:00 +0100
        Re: problem e-mailing debian groups Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-14 02:20 +0100
          Re: problem e-mailing debian groups Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2015-11-14 02:30 +0100
          Re: problem e-mailing debian groups <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-11-14 08:50 +0100

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