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Re: good freedom-respecting computer for running Debian

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* On 2023 22 Mar 14:06 -0500, Lionel Élie Mamane wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 05:11:17AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> > Why have you ruled out a system with an integrated Intel GPU?
> 
> Well, I was trying to see if one could get reasonable hardware that
> doesn't have untrustable stuff like Intel ME and AMD PSP, and in
> integrated Intel GPU requires an Intel CPU and thus having an Intel
> ME...

I understand.  I know there was a lot of speculation about it a couple
years back or so but has it been conclusively determined that it acts in
any nefarious manner?  After all, complexity is going to exist at some
layer and managing a modern computer is a complex task.  Do I wish the
hardware were more free?  Yes.  Still, the manufacturers don't seem to
find value in that.

- Nate

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good freedom-respecting computer for running Debian Lionel Élie Mamane <lionel@mamane.lu> - 2023-03-21 00:20 +0100
  Re: good freedom-respecting computer for running Debian Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2023-03-21 00:30 +0100
    Re: good freedom-respecting computer for running Debian Lionel Élie Mamane <lionel@mamane.lu> - 2023-03-21 01:40 +0100
      Memory use (was: good freedom-respecting computer for running Debian) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-03-21 03:10 +0100
        Re: Memory use (was: good freedom-respecting computer for running  Debian) Jeremy Ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2023-03-21 03:30 +0100
        Re: Memory use (was: good freedom-respecting computer for running  Debian) Jeremy Ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2023-03-21 03:30 +0100
  Re: good freedom-respecting computer for running Debian Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-03-21 02:40 +0100
    Re: good freedom-respecting computer for running Debian Timothy M Butterworth <timothy.m.butterworth@gmail.com> - 2023-03-21 03:00 +0100
      Re: good freedom-respecting computer for running Debian Ramces Tampo-og Red <lists-16494@citadel.tokyo> - 2023-03-21 07:20 +0100
    Re: good freedom-respecting computer for running Debian Lionel Élie Mamane <lionel@mamane.lu> - 2023-03-21 09:10 +0100
      Re: good freedom-respecting computer for running Debian Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-03-21 14:40 +0100
  Re: good freedom-respecting computer for running Debian Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2023-03-21 10:20 +0100
    Re: good freedom-respecting computer for running Debian "der.hans" <deb-user@LuftHans.com> - 2023-03-22 21:10 +0100
  Re: good freedom-respecting computer for running Debian Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2023-03-22 11:20 +0100
    Re: good freedom-respecting computer for running Debian Lionel Élie Mamane <lionel@mamane.lu> - 2023-03-22 20:10 +0100
      Re: good freedom-respecting computer for running Debian Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2023-03-22 20:40 +0100
      Re: good freedom-respecting computer for running Debian Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2023-03-23 00:10 +0100
        Re: good freedom-respecting computer for running Debian Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-03-23 05:10 +0100
          Re: good freedom-respecting computer for running Debian David <curmudgeon@telaman.net.au> - 2023-03-23 05:40 +0100
        Re: good freedom-respecting computer for running Debian Lionel Élie Mamane <lionel@mamane.lu> - 2023-03-23 11:40 +0100

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