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Re: Firefox ESR EOL

From gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: Firefox ESR EOL
Date 2021-12-20 12:50 +0100
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On Monday, December 20, 2021 5:00:07 AM EST Jeremy Ardley wrote:
> On 20/12/21 5:52 pm, Curt wrote:
> > On 2021-12-18, Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> wrote:
> >> Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> writes:
> >>> Maybe I missed something. Why RISC V?
> >> 
> >> Just having an alternative is attractive to some. Having an open
> >> alternative even more so.
> >> 
> >> I'd happily run ARM or RISC-V, if those were an alternative for a decent
> >> desktop or laptop computer. Raspberry Pi is scratching and clawing its
> >> way there little by little. As the Pi 4 has exposed a PCIe connection,
> >> it has a viable storage now for a small system. But still slow and weird
> >> form factor. Maybe in Pi 6 or maybe 10? Who knows.
> > 
> > The 3.14159265359 is still popular.
> > 
> >> RISC-V is better in the form factor part as there's a standard Mini-ITX
> >> board but the price and performance aren't there yet. Not to mention
> >> software support. I'd want an official Debian release first.
> 
> There are a few ARM SBC that are very powerful - better than Pi 4. They
> have NVME/PCiE disk interfaces and several USB 3.0 interfaces.
> 
> The NanoPi M4V2 is one such, but there are several competitors mostly
> using RockChip chipsets.
> 
> They run Armbian and usually have integrated gigabit LAN (2.5 Gigabit
> with the right drivers) and dual band wifi and bluetooth.

Armbian on a rock64, an older version of the rockchip. is in fact much faster 
than a pi4. If the interfaceing for linuxcnc was there it would be more than 
capable of freezing out the pi. Unforch there is zero interest on the part of 
armbian for realtime kernels, so you're on your own building one. That could 
be done, I've done it for the pi3-4's. But this section of the market seems to 
think their future is in multimedia, and has zero interest in machine control. 
For going outside the Foundations fence, I am blacklisted on the raspian pi 
forum.

As a home cnc machine builder, that attitude is killing the market these 
devices could own if they wanted to.  So I have one machine run by a pi, 
drawing perhaps 25 watts with the lcd monitor. The other 4 are running on old 
Dells, drawing 250 watts with monitors. Its the build cost that restricts the 
pi's, over $200 to interface to a machine, The Dells are famously lacking in 
real i/o, but a usable machine can be built for $65 in interfacing.

The first arm board builder to give us two pcie slots or two net ports. or 
even 2 parports WILL OWN this market if the MSRP is under $100 with 2 gigs of 
ram. Ideal would be one pci-e, and one net port. SSD's can be put on the pi4's 
on either or both, usb-3 ports.

> As a workstation they are more than adequate. As a home server they are
> more than adequate.

Absolutely.

Take care and stay well all.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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Firefox ESR EOL piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-12-09 11:20 +0100
  Re: Firefox ESR EOL Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz> - 2021-12-09 14:00 +0100
    Re: Firefox ESR EOL piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-12-09 15:20 +0100
      Re: Firefox ESR EOL Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-12-09 17:40 +0100
        Re: Firefox ESR EOL Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2021-12-09 17:50 +0100
        Re: Firefox ESR EOL Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2021-12-09 17:50 +0100
          Re: Firefox ESR EOL Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz> - 2021-12-09 18:00 +0100
            Re: Firefox ESR EOL Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2021-12-09 18:30 +0100
              Re: Firefox ESR EOL Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz> - 2021-12-09 18:50 +0100
                Re: Firefox ESR EOL Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2021-12-09 19:30 +0100
                Re: Firefox ESR EOL Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz> - 2021-12-09 20:00 +0100
      Re: Firefox ESR EOL Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2021-12-09 18:30 +0100
        Re: Firefox ESR EOL piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-12-09 18:30 +0100
      Re: Firefox ESR EOL piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-12-09 18:30 +0100
        Re: Firefox ESR EOL "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-12-09 21:50 +0100
          Re: Firefox ESR EOL Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-12-09 23:10 +0100
            Re: Firefox ESR EOL piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-12-09 23:20 +0100
              Re: Firefox ESR EOL "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-12-09 23:30 +0100
                Re: Firefox ESR EOL Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2021-12-09 23:40 +0100
              Re: Firefox ESR EOL Michael Castellon <castellonmichael@gmail.com> - 2021-12-10 00:00 +0100
                Re: Firefox ESR EOL Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-12-10 11:50 +0100
          Re: Firefox ESR EOL Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> - 2021-12-09 23:30 +0100
            Re: Firefox ESR EOL Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-12-10 11:00 +0100
              Re: Firefox ESR EOL Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-12-18 21:50 +0100
                Re: Firefox ESR EOL Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-12-18 23:30 +0100
                Re: Firefox ESR EOL Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-12-19 00:10 +0100
                Re: Firefox ESR EOL Rainer Dorsch <ml@bokomoko.de> - 2021-12-19 10:30 +0100
                Re: Firefox ESR EOL Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-12-20 11:00 +0100
                Re: Firefox ESR EOL Jeremy Ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2021-12-20 11:10 +0100
                Re: Firefox ESR EOL gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-12-20 12:50 +0100
                Re: Firefox ESR EOL Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-12-20 15:50 +0100
                Re: Firefox ESR EOL John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-12-20 17:10 +0100
                Re: Firefox ESR EOL gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-12-21 00:00 +0100
                Re: Firefox ESR EOL Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-12-25 12:10 +0100
                Re: Firefox ESR EOL gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-12-25 18:40 +0100
                Re: Firefox ESR EOL Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-12-20 16:40 +0100
                Re: Firefox ESR EOL David Newman <dnewman@networktest.com> - 2021-12-18 23:30 +0100
                Re: Firefox ESR EOL Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-12-19 09:20 +0100
                Re: Risc-V [OT: Firefox ESR EOL] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-12-19 19:50 +0100
                Re: Risc-V [OT: Firefox ESR EOL] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-12-20 10:00 +0100
                Re: Risc-V [OT: Firefox ESR EOL] Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-12-25 12:10 +0100
          Re: Firefox ESR EOL Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-12-10 00:10 +0100
          Re: Firefox ESR EOL Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-12-10 00:10 +0100
          Re: Firefox ESR EOL Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2021-12-10 10:30 +0100
            Re: Firefox ESR EOL Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2021-12-10 11:30 +0100
              Re: Firefox ESR EOL Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2021-12-10 13:30 +0100
                Re: Firefox ESR EOL Rainer Dorsch <ml@bokomoko.de> - 2021-12-18 12:40 +0100
                Re: Firefox ESR EOL Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz> - 2021-12-18 20:10 +0100
        Re: Firefox ESR EOL Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-12-10 11:50 +0100
  Re: Firefox ESR EOL Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2021-12-09 14:10 +0100
    Re: Firefox ESR EOL Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2021-12-09 17:20 +0100
    Re: Firefox ESR EOL Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-12-09 19:30 +0100
      Re: Firefox ESR EOL Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-12-09 19:50 +0100
        Re: Firefox ESR EOL Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-12-09 20:00 +0100
        Re: Firefox ESR EOL Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2021-12-10 08:00 +0100
      Re: Firefox ESR EOL Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2021-12-10 07:50 +0100
        Re: Firefox ESR EOL Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-12-10 11:30 +0100
  Re: Firefox ESR EOL piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-12-09 18:30 +0100
    Re: Firefox ESR EOL piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-12-09 18:50 +0100
    Re: Firefox ESR EOL Michael Castellon <castellonmichael@gmail.com> - 2021-12-09 22:30 +0100
      Re: Firefox ESR EOL Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-12-09 22:50 +0100
      Re: Firefox ESR EOL Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2021-12-10 01:50 +0100
  Re: Firefox ESR EOL Michael Castellon <castellonmichael@gmail.com> - 2021-12-09 18:30 +0100
  [SOLVED] Firefox + Thunderbird upstream solution piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-12-10 15:10 +0100
    Re: [SOLVED] Firefox + Thunderbird upstream solution Michael Castellon <castellonmichael@gmail.com> - 2021-12-10 15:50 +0100
    Re: [SOLVED] Firefox + Thunderbird upstream solution Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-12-10 16:40 +0100
      Re: [SOLVED] Firefox + Thunderbird upstream solution piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-12-10 17:00 +0100
        Re: [SOLVED] Firefox + Thunderbird upstream solution Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-12-10 17:00 +0100
  Re: Firefox ESR EOL Kushal Kumaran <kushal@locationd.net> - 2021-12-21 02:20 +0100
    Re: Firefox ESR EOL piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-12-26 23:20 +0100
      Re: Firefox ESR EOL Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-12-27 09:20 +0100
        Re: Firefox ESR EOL "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-12-27 09:40 +0100
          Re: Firefox ESR EOL Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-12-27 15:30 +0100

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