Re: Reasonably simple setup for 1TB HDD and 250GB M.2 NVMe SSD

From	"Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: Reasonably simple setup for 1TB HDD and 250GB M.2 NVMe SSD
Date	2021-12-09 16:30 +0100
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On 09.12.2021 15:22, piorunz wrote:
> On 09/12/2021 00:14, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:
>> I'd advise against doing extra over-provisioning and making /swap on
>> slow HDD.
>> IMO it is a thing of the past, especially on a home\personal computer.
>> Modern NAND technology and provisioning algorithms made SSDs quite
>> resilient.
>> It is more likely that a controller IC will fail than a NAND ICs will
>> wear off themselves during mild daily usage.
>
> I disagree. I was quite surprised that my 2x Crucial MX500 250GB 3D
> drives which I use in mdadm RAID1, saying that they are 12% used in 2
> years of use. That's because I created one big partition for entire
> drive and used it that way. Most of it was free anyway. They are used as
> / in my server, mostly just idling, as all work is being done on HDD
> RAID (/home and /var is on HDDs too). Now, I trimmed down Ext4 partition
> and mdadm RAID surface underneath it, and left free space at the end of
> the drive. Slow creep of life used has stopped and I am on 12% on both
> drives for few months now. Nothing else has changed, and life use 
> stopped.
> Maybe Crucial drives are just more honest than other drives who say 2%
> use after 5 years of operation?
Usage will be different for everyone and in perfect scenario you have to 
estimate how much data you would write to SSD daily, before you purchase 
them.
Also, you have to keep in mind TBW ratings of devices you have and NAND 
type they based on.
Published ratings should be a result of standardized testing procedures 
which were developed by JEDEC.
This costs money and its the reason why some SSD manufacturers hide 
ratings and/or NAND types of their products from specifications.

"Crucial MX500 250GB" is based on a NAND 3D TLC-3bit¹ ICs and rated only 
100TBW.
That is a relatively small amount, if you compare it to the devices I 
was talking about.
Now if you take 12% for 2 years of 100TBW drive, which may look like a 
lot at a first glance and calculate the difference (300TBW / 100TBW = 3; 
12 / 3 = 4), it won't look too off from what I've got in the SMART readings.
So now let's assume you will continue to use your SSDs like before, it 
would take roughly 14 years more (12% / 2 years = 6% per year; 100 / 6 = 
16) of continuous use to wear out.
That's way past their warranty period and by reaching that time they 
already paid for themselves.
As you can see, as long as you buy drives with your workload in mind, 
make backups (which you should do anyway) and monitor the SMART, there 
is almost zero reasons to buy a SSD and not use it to it's full potential.

The data will be spread out among NAND ICs² evenly by provisioning 
algorithms anyway and IMO leaving extra unpartitioned space won't do 
anything useful.
If I remember correctly, there was a time in early SSD days when doing 
that was recommended, but I don't think this is still needed, because 
modern SSDs became quite spacious and their controllers and firmware 
evolved.

¹ Crucial\Micron is hiding the actual NAND type, like many others, 
presenting marketing fluff instead, and I assume it is an older 3D TLC 
3-bit with low layer count and hopefully not QLC.
² Usually inside a cheap consumer-grade devices only two NAND ICs, often 
even without DRAM buffer.

-- 
With kindest regards, Alexander.

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Reasonably simple setup for 1TB HDD and 250GB M.2 NVMe SSD "Jorge P. de Morais Neto" <jorge+list@disroot.org> - 2021-12-08 15:30 +0100
  Re: Reasonably simple setup for 1TB HDD and 250GB M.2 NVMe SSD piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-12-08 16:00 +0100
    Re: Reasonably simple setup for 1TB HDD and 250GB M.2 NVMe SSD Jorge P. de Morais Neto <jorge+list@disroot.org> - 2021-12-08 20:40 +0100
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        Re: Reasonably simple setup for 1TB HDD and 250GB M.2 NVMe SSD Jorge P. de Morais Neto <jorge+list@disroot.org> - 2022-01-02 17:40 +0100
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