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Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon installation?

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On Fri 05 Nov 2021 at 07:43:22 (-0700), Peter Ehlert wrote:
> On 11/5/21 4:50 AM, Alejandro Colomar (man-pages) wrote:
> > 
> > I did some test by installing 2 identical virtualbox instances
> > (EFI turned on) with the same netinst image
> > <debian-11.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso>.
> > 
> > I typically use XFCE, so I wanted to test if leaving "Debian
> > desktop environment" marked would affect or not my XFCE
> > installation.
> > 
> > It does.
> > 
> > a)
> > | [ ]  Debian desktop environment
> > | [*]    XFCE
> > 
> > b)
> > | [*]  Debian desktop environment
> > | [*]    XFCE
> > 
> > Using (b), I end up with 12 more installed packages.  I checked
> > that there weren't any available upgrades after installing both
> > (apt-get update && apt-get upgrade showed 0).
> > 
> > The offending list is:
> > 
> > hv3
[ and its dependencies ]
> > 
> > Maybe there's a bug somewhere in tasksel?
> 
> I consider it Faulty Design.
> 
> there is no "Debian desktop environment"... from my superficial
> testing it is kinda "Gnome Lite"
> (and in My Opinion gnome desktop is rather hateful).
> 
> Being selected by default is a Huge design flaw.
> 
> a simple "select a desktop environment" text message with something
> like "without a desktop you only get a terminal" as a suggestion for
> the uninformed would be far superior.

This particular horse was flogged a year ago. Top of thread:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/09/msg00238.html

It's not something I take great interest in as I don't use a DE.

> BTW: I only use net-install because I don't want all that cruft.

I wasn't aware that the netinst d-i distinguished itself by not
installing "cruft". AIUI, whether you install a DE depends on your
replies on this screen:

  │ Choose software to install:               │   
  │                                           │   
  │       [*] Debian desktop environment      │   
  │       [*] ... GNOME                       │   
  │       [ ] ... Xfce                        │   
  │       [ ] ... GNOME Flashback             │   
  │       [ ] ... KDE Plasma                  │   
  │       [ ] ... Cinnamon                    │   
  │       [ ] ... MATE                        │   
  │       [ ] ... LXDE                        │   
  │       [ ] ... LXQt                        │   
  │       [ ] web server                      │   
  │       [ ] SSH server                      │   
  │       [*] standard system utilities       │   

I've installed non-DE and non-DE, non-X systems from DVDs in the past,
and one DE installation from a netinst.

> PS: hunting down all swap partitions on very drive and setting them to
> Format by default is also a real pain in the tush.

I've no idea what is meant by this, nor its relevance to the Subject.
I'd mention in passing that I installed bullseye on a 512MB laptop
without configuring any swap space, as always. I leave that until the
system is up and running.

Cheers,
David.

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Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon  installation? "Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)" <alx.manpages@gmail.com> - 2021-11-05 13:10 +0100
  Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon  installation? "Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)" <alx.manpages@gmail.com> - 2021-11-05 13:20 +0100
  Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon  installation? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-11-05 13:30 +0100
    Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon installation? Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-11-05 13:50 +0100
      Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon  installation? Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-11-05 14:50 +0100
        Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon  installation? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-11-05 17:10 +0100
          Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon  installation? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-11-05 18:10 +0100
            Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon  installation? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-11-05 21:20 +0100
              Re: Is "Debian desktop environment"          identical to "GNOME" upon          installation? Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2021-11-06 00:40 +0100
  Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon  installation? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-11-05 14:30 +0100
  Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon  installation? Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-11-05 15:50 +0100
    Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon  installation? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-11-05 20:50 +0100
  Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon  installation? Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-11-05 17:30 +0100
    Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon  installation? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-11-05 17:50 +0100
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