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Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon installation?

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On Fri 05 Nov 2021 at 17:02:01 +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 05, 2021 at 04:04:17PM +0000, Brian wrote:
> > On Fri 05 Nov 2021 at 13:43:29 +0000, Tixy wrote:
> > 
> > > On Fri, 2021-11-05 at 07:47 -0500, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 7:21 AM Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > > Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon installation?
> > > > > 
> > > > > ....
> > > > > 
> > > > > Right now, for the regular official installers (and also for the
> > > > > unofficial installer with non-free firmware), that default task happens
> > > > > to be GNOME.
> > > > > 
> > > > > With the "Live" installers, the default is different.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > And if I may ask: Why is it different? If there is a reason or two.
> > > 
> > > Guessing here... because a live version already has a desktop
> > > environment on the disk, so it make sense to default to installing that
> > > one. E.g. if you choose, say, the XFCE live iso, it would default to
> > > XFCE not Gnome. Would be a bit perverse otherwise.
> > 
> > I rather thought the Live images contained a copy of d-i but am not
> > going to download an ISO to refresh my menory. I will offer
> > 
> >   https://live-team.pages.debian.net/live-manual/html/live-manual/customizing-installer.en.html
> > 
> > I'd see it as a bit unusual for this copy to differ from the regular d-i.
> > 
> 
> A few things: 
> 
> 1. GNOME is only the default on AMD64 / i386 - on some of the ARM variants,
> it's still XFCE, I think.

Fine, but this is not, IMHO, the OP's concern. He is using amd64/i386.
Nevertheless, it is something to be aware of.

> 2. XFCE _was_ the default for a one CD install until Buster - it's now
> too big for one CD so there is no longer a CD which will install as 
> single desktop by default.

Correct, but I do not think we are into CD vs DVD in the OP's issue.
This is something to discard from our thinking.
 
> 3. The live CDs are designed so that you download the one with the desktop
> you want. The "standard" one installs a minimum Debian with standard packages
> and no gui.

OK, but the relevance to the OP's issue is obscure. Does it need to
taken into account for the issue raised?

> 4. Live CD install is not guaranteed to be the same as the traditional
> Debian installer. Calamares is very significantly different. Live CD/DVD is 
> maintained by a different libe CD team and not by the Debian media team.

Ah! Calamares. It alters the way tasksel behaves in d-i? Heaven help us!
Is that is what is meant when it is claimed  by Greg Wooledg:

 With the "Live" installers, the default is different"?

Calamares introduces a new ball game?

Alejandro Colomar's observations are quite clear and reprducible. It
would be expected he would be along later to expand on them.

-- 
Brian.

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Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon  installation? "Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)" <alx.manpages@gmail.com> - 2021-11-05 13:10 +0100
  Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon  installation? "Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)" <alx.manpages@gmail.com> - 2021-11-05 13:20 +0100
  Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon  installation? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-11-05 13:30 +0100
    Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon installation? Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-11-05 13:50 +0100
      Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon  installation? Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-11-05 14:50 +0100
        Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon  installation? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-11-05 17:10 +0100
          Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon  installation? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-11-05 18:10 +0100
            Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon  installation? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-11-05 21:20 +0100
              Re: Is "Debian desktop environment"          identical to "GNOME" upon          installation? Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2021-11-06 00:40 +0100
  Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon  installation? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-11-05 14:30 +0100
  Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon  installation? Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-11-05 15:50 +0100
    Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon  installation? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-11-05 20:50 +0100
  Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon  installation? Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-11-05 17:30 +0100
    Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon  installation? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-11-05 17:50 +0100
      Re: Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon  installation? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-11-05 19:30 +0100

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