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On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 03:48:47PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2021-07-05 09:35:22 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> [...]
> > Your "reverse" (PTR record for 162.213.253.79) doesn't match.  Which is
> > to say, none of the "A" results from cyrania.com. match the original
> > IP address of 162.213.253.79.
> > 
> > Some SMTP receivers may care about that.
> [...]
> 
> Yes, the reason is that the owner of the IP address can technically
> put anything for the reverse, in particular a domain he doesn't own.
> Thus he can put a domain with a good reputation to send spam. That's
> why antispam software should check that the reverse resolves back to
> the IP address.

It's a philosophical argument.  The value stored in the "reverse" is
only important if you think it's important.  Antispam software may
choose to consider it irrelevant, or somewhat important, or vitally
important.

If I'm sending email from 162.213.253.79 but I use bill@microsoft.com as
my envelope sender address, does it *really* matter whether 162.213.253.79
has a mismatched reverse lookup?  It's more important to check whether
microsoft.com considers 162.213.253.79 to be a valid sender.  (And that
uses SPF or other optional mail-specific information sources.)

Strict reverse-match checking really hurts people who send email
from home computers, where controlling the reverse is not always easy.
Any impact on commercial spammers is negligible, unless the real goal is
to block bot nets by assuming that anyone with a mismatched reverse is a
home computer user and is therefore a compromised spam bot, because how
could anyone on a home computer network ever be a legitimate email sender?

A more sensible antispam filter might consider a mismatched reverse to
be one potential factor in deciding whether a given message is "spam".
In the absence of any other factors, it shouldn't be enough to reject
a message.  But if the same message has other risk factors, then together
they might be enough to justify that judgment.

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MTA Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-05 15:30 +0200
  Re: MTA Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-07-05 15:40 +0200
    Re: MTA Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2021-07-05 16:00 +0200
      Re: MTA Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-07-05 16:10 +0200
        Re: MTA Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-05 16:30 +0200
          Re: MTA Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2021-07-05 17:10 +0200
          Re: MTA John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-07-05 17:20 +0200
        Re: MTA Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2021-07-05 16:50 +0200
          Re: MTA Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-07-05 22:40 +0200
    Re: MTA Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-05 16:00 +0200
      Re: MTA Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2021-07-05 16:00 +0200
        Re: MTA (corrected) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-05 16:40 +0200
          Re: MTA (corrected) Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2021-07-05 17:10 +0200
            Re: MTA (corrected) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-05 17:50 +0200
            Re: MTA (corrected) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-07-05 22:20 +0200
              Re: MTA (corrected) Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2021-07-06 12:00 +0200
          Re: MTA (corrected) Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-07-05 18:50 +0200
            Re: MTA (corrected) Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-07-05 19:10 +0200
              Re: MTA (corrected) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-05 19:20 +0200
                Re: MTA (corrected) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-09 22:20 +0200
            Re: MTA (corrected) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-05 19:10 +0200
    Re: MTA Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-07-05 22:10 +0200
  Re: MTA Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-07-05 22:30 +0200

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