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Re: debian-user list info and guidelines: spam

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On 2021-01-25 02:36, Andy Smith wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 01:03:07AM -0500, John Kaufmann wrote:
> 
> ... The best practice when dealing with a piece of mail that has been
> identified as so spammy that you don't want to receive it is not to
> file it away in a spam folder, but to reject it at SMTP time.
> 
> ... At least with an SMTP-time reject, the sending system knows that
> the mail has not been safely sent. If it is a human sender than they
> can take appropriate action if a mistake has been made.
> 
> Unfortunately Debian's listserv doesn't like it when you do this...
> [so I] abandon the SMTP reject best practice policy for mails from
> Debian lists.
> 
> You don't have that option, because you don't run your MTA. But the
> people who run your MTA are doing the right thing by rejecting email
> that they consider too spammy. So although it may be worth asking if
> there's anything they can do, it's likely they won't want to do
> anything differently there.
> 
>> 	I cannot currently post to the SOGo list because their spam
>> 	filter (UCEPROTECT) claims that my ISP currently hosts 6
>> 	spammers. In response, they block all mail from that ISP (called
>> 	UCEPROTECT Level2 protection). Again, getting my ISP to care
>> 	about this is an ongoing challenge.
> 
> Now this one is different. UCEPROTECT doesn't have a good reputation
> amongst DNSBLs. They routinely list entire providers for a small
> number of incidents and they require a payment to be removed.

Ah. That may have something to do with my MTA provider's lack of interest in dealing with UCEPROTECT.

> I would call it extremely unwise to outright block email for 
> UCEPROTECT level 2 listing. ... They will be rejecting a lot of
> legitimate email...  All you can do is try to persuade them to stop
> using UCEPROTECT though.

Which can be hard to do if they won't accept my mail. ;-)

Thanks,
John

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